Trade help on this one needed please.
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Trade help on this one needed please.
I did a load of trading to get the 1.1 and 1.3 in this year's rookie draft with my team below. I'm excited to pair David Johnson with Barkley.
There is an owner who is very high on one of the rookie RB's in this draft and is wanting to do a conditional trade with me should his guy be available at 1.3 in our draft tomorrow night.
Here is the offer to me:
He gets:
1.3
Tom Brady
2nd next year
I get
Matt Stafford
Kenyan Drake
2.4
2.7
1st in 2021
4th and 6th round picks next year
What are your thoughts?
I do get 10 years younger at QB and I like Stafford. I also like Drake quite a bit and the offer really boils down to how much I value him. I do have Gore to pair up with him for RB's behind my starting duo of DJ and Barkley.
There is an owner who is very high on one of the rookie RB's in this draft and is wanting to do a conditional trade with me should his guy be available at 1.3 in our draft tomorrow night.
Here is the offer to me:
He gets:
1.3
Tom Brady
2nd next year
I get
Matt Stafford
Kenyan Drake
2.4
2.7
1st in 2021
4th and 6th round picks next year
What are your thoughts?
I do get 10 years younger at QB and I like Stafford. I also like Drake quite a bit and the offer really boils down to how much I value him. I do have Gore to pair up with him for RB's behind my starting duo of DJ and Barkley.
16 team PPR Est. 2002 (Champion: 2007, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2016)
Start: QB, 2-4WR, 2-3RB, 1-2TE, K, D
QB: Russell Wilson, Zach Wilson
RB: Barkley, Mixon, Chubb, Hunt, G. Bernard
WR: Adams, Metcalf, Callaway, Shepard, Watkins, Fuller, T. Williams, Proche
TE: Kelce, Pitts, Njoku, Seals-Jones
K: Gay
D: Vikings
Start: QB, 2-4WR, 2-3RB, 1-2TE, K, D
QB: Russell Wilson, Zach Wilson
RB: Barkley, Mixon, Chubb, Hunt, G. Bernard
WR: Adams, Metcalf, Callaway, Shepard, Watkins, Fuller, T. Williams, Proche
TE: Kelce, Pitts, Njoku, Seals-Jones
K: Gay
D: Vikings
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Re: Trade help on this one needed please.
That's pretty terrible imo. The first alone is worth more than that
10 Man IDP, .75 ppr, Big Play Bonus, TE Prem, 2 QB, 1-3 RB, 2-4 WR, 2 TE, 2 DT, 2 DE, 3 LB, 4 DB, 34 Keepers (17 off - 17 IDP)
QB: Watson, Lawrence, Tannehill, Fitzmagic
RB: Jacobs, Javonte, Drake, Mack
WR: Thomas, DJ Moore, Mike Williams, Golladay, Mooney, Kirk, Shepard, Parker
TE: Kittle, Ito Smith, Ebron, Bryant, Seals-Jones
DT: Simmons, Cox, Oliver, Vea
DL: Bosa, Hunter, Heyward, Greenard, Odeyingbo
LB: Watt, White, Cunningham, Kirksey
DB: Collins, Duggar, J Reid, Clark, Edmunds
12 Man, 1 ppr, 1 QB, 1-3 RB, 1-3 WR, 1 TE
QB: Tua, Jameis, Cam, Taysom
RB: Taylor, Javonte, CEH
WR: Jefferson, Nuk, Diontae, Juju, Shepard, Mooney, Robby Anderson
TE: Henry, Gesicki, Brevin, Cook
12 Man, 1 ppr, 1 QB, 1-3 RB, 1-3 WR, 1 TE
QB: Russ, Matty Ice, Tannehill
RB: CMC, Dobbins, Sanders. Scott, Mack
WR: Nuk, Keenan, Mooney, Patrick, Collins, Dyami
TE: Andrews, Schultz, Brevin, Akins
QB: Watson, Lawrence, Tannehill, Fitzmagic
RB: Jacobs, Javonte, Drake, Mack
WR: Thomas, DJ Moore, Mike Williams, Golladay, Mooney, Kirk, Shepard, Parker
TE: Kittle, Ito Smith, Ebron, Bryant, Seals-Jones
DT: Simmons, Cox, Oliver, Vea
DL: Bosa, Hunter, Heyward, Greenard, Odeyingbo
LB: Watt, White, Cunningham, Kirksey
DB: Collins, Duggar, J Reid, Clark, Edmunds
12 Man, 1 ppr, 1 QB, 1-3 RB, 1-3 WR, 1 TE
QB: Tua, Jameis, Cam, Taysom
RB: Taylor, Javonte, CEH
WR: Jefferson, Nuk, Diontae, Juju, Shepard, Mooney, Robby Anderson
TE: Henry, Gesicki, Brevin, Cook
12 Man, 1 ppr, 1 QB, 1-3 RB, 1-3 WR, 1 TE
QB: Russ, Matty Ice, Tannehill
RB: CMC, Dobbins, Sanders. Scott, Mack
WR: Nuk, Keenan, Mooney, Patrick, Collins, Dyami
TE: Andrews, Schultz, Brevin, Akins
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Re: Trade help on this one needed please.
That's pretty terrible. A 2021 1st in a 16-team league is a complete crapshoot. The 1.03 alone is worth more than the entire other side of this deal. The 2.04 and 2.07 are also not worth as much in a 16-team format. I'd counter with 1.03 alone for Stafford + Drake + 2.04 + 2.07 + 2021 1st.
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12-Team PPR | QB, 2RB, 2WR, TE, W/R/T, K, DST
QB: Kyler Murray, Aaron Rodgers
RB: Christian McCaffrey, Melvin Gordon, James Conner, Phillip Lindsay, Tevin Coleman, Boston Scott, Benny Snell Jr.
WR: Tyreek Hill, Mike Evans, Cooper Kupp, Michael Gallup, Christian Kirk
TE: George Kittle, Travis Kelce | K: Younghoe Koo | DST: SF
PS: Mecole Hardman, Tony Pollard | 2020 Picks: 1.09, 2.10, 3.03 | 2021 Picks: 1st, 2nd
12-Team PPR | QB, 2RB, 2WR, TE, W/R/T, K, DST
QB: Kyler Murray, Aaron Rodgers
RB: Christian McCaffrey, Melvin Gordon, James Conner, Phillip Lindsay, Tevin Coleman, Boston Scott, Benny Snell Jr.
WR: Tyreek Hill, Mike Evans, Cooper Kupp, Michael Gallup, Christian Kirk
TE: George Kittle, Travis Kelce | K: Younghoe Koo | DST: SF
PS: Mecole Hardman, Tony Pollard | 2020 Picks: 1.09, 2.10, 3.03 | 2021 Picks: 1st, 2nd
Re: Trade help on this one needed please.
1.3
Tom Brady
2nd next year
Kenyan Drake
2.4
2.7
1st in 2021
4th and 6th round picks next year
Brady = Stafford (age bias)
2.4 + 2.7 + Drake < 1.3
2021 1st is far away and probably compares to 2nd next year.
I get the extra picks will help in replenishing QB/WR, but I think they are a bit too late in a 16 man league to help effectively.
Tom Brady
2nd next year
Kenyan Drake
2.4
2.7
1st in 2021
4th and 6th round picks next year
Brady = Stafford (age bias)
2.4 + 2.7 + Drake < 1.3
2021 1st is far away and probably compares to 2nd next year.
I get the extra picks will help in replenishing QB/WR, but I think they are a bit too late in a 16 man league to help effectively.
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Re: Trade help on this one needed please.
Not enough. The 1.03 is worth more alone than the package he's offering.
You're better off holding unless he's willing to significantly upgrade his offer.
You're better off holding unless he's willing to significantly upgrade his offer.
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Re: Trade help on this one needed please.
I kinda like this one. Thats a good deal in a 16 teamer.WhatWouldDitkaDo wrote: ↑Wed May 23, 2018 12:47 pm That's pretty terrible. A 2021 1st in a 16-team league is a complete crapshoot. The 1.03 alone is worth more than the entire other side of this deal. The 2.04 and 2.07 are also not worth as much in a 16-team format. I'd counter with 1.03 alone for Stafford + Drake + 2.04 + 2.07 + 2021 1st.
Team 1: 16 Team
QB's: Fields, Wentz,
RB: D. Harris, D. Montgomery, Kendre M.
WR: Chase, AJ Brown, Aiyuk, Bateman
TE: Waller, J. Woods, Dulich, Mayer
Team 2: 12 Team SF 1ppr, Start 10
QB: Mahomes, Burrow, Watson
RB: Hall, Walker, Javonte, Pacheco, K Mitchell, Dobbins
WR: Godwin, JSN, Pittman, Pickens, Toney, DP Jones, S Moore
TE: Andrews, Fant, Likely
(2024) 1.03, 2.03, 3.03
(2025) Top 3 1st, my 1st
Team 3 SF, TEP, Start 11 ppr
QB: AR, Watson, Young, Levis
RB: ETN, Walker, Pierce, Akers, Pacheco, Herbert, Warren, Kelley
WR: G. Wilson, Higgins, Godwin, Kirk, Bateman, Collins, Doubs, Chark, Shaheed,
TE: Schultz, I Smith, Bellinger, Parham, Fant, Likely, Granson,
QB's: Fields, Wentz,
RB: D. Harris, D. Montgomery, Kendre M.
WR: Chase, AJ Brown, Aiyuk, Bateman
TE: Waller, J. Woods, Dulich, Mayer
Team 2: 12 Team SF 1ppr, Start 10
QB: Mahomes, Burrow, Watson
RB: Hall, Walker, Javonte, Pacheco, K Mitchell, Dobbins
WR: Godwin, JSN, Pittman, Pickens, Toney, DP Jones, S Moore
TE: Andrews, Fant, Likely
(2024) 1.03, 2.03, 3.03
(2025) Top 3 1st, my 1st
Team 3 SF, TEP, Start 11 ppr
QB: AR, Watson, Young, Levis
RB: ETN, Walker, Pierce, Akers, Pacheco, Herbert, Warren, Kelley
WR: G. Wilson, Higgins, Godwin, Kirk, Bateman, Collins, Doubs, Chark, Shaheed,
TE: Schultz, I Smith, Bellinger, Parham, Fant, Likely, Granson,
Re: Trade help on this one needed please.
I say find out who he wants so badly, take him if you like him then hold out for his best offer. You know he's in talks with the 1.04 and probably the 1.05 owner trying to do the same thing with them
12 team ppr contract league. 25 man roster with 7 player taxi squad. 85 year contract limit
QB/RB/RB/WR/WR/WR/TE/K/DEF
QB- Wilson (1) Tanehill (1) Jimmy G (3)
RB - Gibson (6) Mixon (2) Ekeler (1) J White (1)
WR -Tyreek(1), Ridley (3), K Allen (4), Fuller (2), Lazard (3)
TE - Ertz (4) Goedert(4), Irv Smith Jr(6)
PS - Jordan Love, Gabe Davis, Darnell Mooney
QB/RB/RB/WR/WR/WR/TE/K/DEF
QB- Wilson (1) Tanehill (1) Jimmy G (3)
RB - Gibson (6) Mixon (2) Ekeler (1) J White (1)
WR -Tyreek(1), Ridley (3), K Allen (4), Fuller (2), Lazard (3)
TE - Ertz (4) Goedert(4), Irv Smith Jr(6)
PS - Jordan Love, Gabe Davis, Darnell Mooney
Re: Trade help on this one needed please.
rubbish offer!
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Re: Trade help on this one needed please.
These responses are very interesting.
Most ranking lists I can find have Kenyan Drake ahead or neck in neck in value with any of the other rookie RB's I'd be able to draft at 1.3.
Brady, though better than Stafford, is only 30 and a perennial good scoring QB. In most any ranking list I can find I see Stafford ranked ahead of Brady.
Then I'm getting a future 1st and some 2nd's this year just to add frosting.
I guess I'm surprised at the responses. But, that's why I asked the question. I didn't think it was all that bad of an offer.
Most ranking lists I can find have Kenyan Drake ahead or neck in neck in value with any of the other rookie RB's I'd be able to draft at 1.3.
Brady, though better than Stafford, is only 30 and a perennial good scoring QB. In most any ranking list I can find I see Stafford ranked ahead of Brady.
Then I'm getting a future 1st and some 2nd's this year just to add frosting.
I guess I'm surprised at the responses. But, that's why I asked the question. I didn't think it was all that bad of an offer.
16 team PPR Est. 2002 (Champion: 2007, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2016)
Start: QB, 2-4WR, 2-3RB, 1-2TE, K, D
QB: Russell Wilson, Zach Wilson
RB: Barkley, Mixon, Chubb, Hunt, G. Bernard
WR: Adams, Metcalf, Callaway, Shepard, Watkins, Fuller, T. Williams, Proche
TE: Kelce, Pitts, Njoku, Seals-Jones
K: Gay
D: Vikings
Start: QB, 2-4WR, 2-3RB, 1-2TE, K, D
QB: Russell Wilson, Zach Wilson
RB: Barkley, Mixon, Chubb, Hunt, G. Bernard
WR: Adams, Metcalf, Callaway, Shepard, Watkins, Fuller, T. Williams, Proche
TE: Kelce, Pitts, Njoku, Seals-Jones
K: Gay
D: Vikings
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Re: Trade help on this one needed please.
These responses are very interesting.
Most ranking lists I can find have Kenyan Drake ahead or neck in neck in value with any of the other rookie RB's I'd be able to draft at 1.3.
Stafford, though not as good as Brady, is only 30 and a perennial good scoring QB. In most any ranking list I can find I see Stafford ranked ahead of Brady.
Then I'm getting a future 1st and some 2nd's this year just to add frosting.
I guess I'm surprised at the responses. But, that's why I asked the question. I didn't think it was all that bad of an offer.
Most ranking lists I can find have Kenyan Drake ahead or neck in neck in value with any of the other rookie RB's I'd be able to draft at 1.3.
Stafford, though not as good as Brady, is only 30 and a perennial good scoring QB. In most any ranking list I can find I see Stafford ranked ahead of Brady.
Then I'm getting a future 1st and some 2nd's this year just to add frosting.
I guess I'm surprised at the responses. But, that's why I asked the question. I didn't think it was all that bad of an offer.
16 team PPR Est. 2002 (Champion: 2007, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2016)
Start: QB, 2-4WR, 2-3RB, 1-2TE, K, D
QB: Russell Wilson, Zach Wilson
RB: Barkley, Mixon, Chubb, Hunt, G. Bernard
WR: Adams, Metcalf, Callaway, Shepard, Watkins, Fuller, T. Williams, Proche
TE: Kelce, Pitts, Njoku, Seals-Jones
K: Gay
D: Vikings
Start: QB, 2-4WR, 2-3RB, 1-2TE, K, D
QB: Russell Wilson, Zach Wilson
RB: Barkley, Mixon, Chubb, Hunt, G. Bernard
WR: Adams, Metcalf, Callaway, Shepard, Watkins, Fuller, T. Williams, Proche
TE: Kelce, Pitts, Njoku, Seals-Jones
K: Gay
D: Vikings
Re: Trade help on this one needed please.
I'm not sure what rankings you are looking at but Penny/Guice/Michel should all be much much higher ranked than Drake. Drake is the epitome of what a flash in the pan is. Drake flashed a lot of upside this past year but his job isn't automatically secured. Drake has never been in a bellcow role before in his entire football career including college. Even last year they wouldn't give him the full load while Damien Williams was healthy (who is terrible). I'm not saying its absolutely going to happen but it wouldn't surprise me 1 bit to see Kenyan Drake not be the starter by week 10. Next, I'd rather hang on to brady for 1-2 more years and get a QB with your 2nd round pick and let him develop. lastly a 2021 1st pick is utterly worthless.....thats 3 years away!! I get dynasty is all about the long game but trading anything past next years 1sts is just plain dumb.kris_kapsner wrote: ↑Wed May 23, 2018 5:34 pm These responses are very interesting.
Most ranking lists I can find have Kenyan Drake ahead or neck in neck in value with any of the other rookie RB's I'd be able to draft at 1.3.
Stafford, though not as good as Brady, is only 30 and a perennial good scoring QB. In most any ranking list I can find I see Stafford ranked ahead of Brady.
Then I'm getting a future 1st and some 2nd's this year just to add frosting.
I guess I'm surprised at the responses. But, that's why I asked the question. I didn't think it was all that bad of an offer.
Re: Trade help on this one needed please.
are you looking at DLF?kris_kapsner wrote: ↑Wed May 23, 2018 5:34 pm
Most ranking lists I can find have Kenyan Drake ahead or neck in neck in value with any of the other rookie RB's I'd be able to draft at 1.3.
Stafford, though not as good as Brady, is only 30 and a perennial good scoring QB. In most any ranking list I can find I see Stafford ranked ahead of Brady.
Then I'm getting a future 1st and some 2nd's this year just to add frosting.
I guess I'm surprised at the responses. But, that's why I asked the question. I didn't think it was all that bad of an offer.
Guice 14
Chubb 15
Penny 18
Sony 19
RoJo 22
Royce 25
Drake 27
i think it is a terrible offer... does that owner not have a 2019 1st or 2020 1st? 2021 is waaay too far away.. keep the pick, the 2021 is not likely early and as others have pointed out, mid/late 2nds in a 16 team league should be treated like 3rds...
team 1 -start QB RB 2WR TE 2RB/WR 1WR/TE
qbs=5pt tds wr/te=1 ppr rbs=.5ppr all get .25ppc
Watson, Brady, Mills
Ekeler, Hunt, Carson/Penny, DForeman, Mitchell, CPat, Kyren, Ford, KHarris
Cooper, sutton, Chase, Shepard, Atwell, Schwartz, Wan'Dale, Austin III
Gesicki, Engram, Hooper, Woods
team 2 -start QB 2RB 3WR TE 2Flex K D
Cousins, Stafford
DH JT, Ekeler, Kylin Hill, Herbert, KHarris, Chandler
Hopkins, Diggs, Adams, Godwin, McLaurin, Callaway, DPJ, Robby Anderson, Schwartz, Pierce, Wan'Dale, Doubs
Kelce, Andrews, Jacob Harris
qbs=5pt tds wr/te=1 ppr rbs=.5ppr all get .25ppc
Watson, Brady, Mills
Ekeler, Hunt, Carson/Penny, DForeman, Mitchell, CPat, Kyren, Ford, KHarris
Cooper, sutton, Chase, Shepard, Atwell, Schwartz, Wan'Dale, Austin III
Gesicki, Engram, Hooper, Woods
team 2 -start QB 2RB 3WR TE 2Flex K D
Cousins, Stafford
DH JT, Ekeler, Kylin Hill, Herbert, KHarris, Chandler
Hopkins, Diggs, Adams, Godwin, McLaurin, Callaway, DPJ, Robby Anderson, Schwartz, Pierce, Wan'Dale, Doubs
Kelce, Andrews, Jacob Harris
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Re: Trade help on this one needed please.
It makes me laugh when someone says..Drakes a flash in the pan, and his job isn’t secure this year...And then goes on to say how much more value a rookie who has NEVER played in the league is...I own Drake, and I believe in the talent I saw last year, I also understand the risk, but to say a guy like Guise or Penny is a MUCH better prospect then Drake is laughable...
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Re: Trade help on this one needed please.
the homerism is make him delusional. bleep offer dont even think bout it.The Showstopper wrote: ↑Wed May 23, 2018 11:43 pm It makes me laugh when someone says..Drakes a flash in the pan, and his job isn’t secure this year...And then goes on to say how much more value a rookie who has NEVER played in the league is...I own Drake, and I believe in the talent I saw last year, I also understand the risk, but to say a guy like Guise or Penny is a MUCH better prospect then Drake is laughable...
12 team PPR SuperFlex start 9 (Same for each team)
TM1
QB: Rodgers, Rivers, Dak, Dalton, Smith
RB: Zeke, CMC, Jacobs, Chubb, Gore, Dearnest
WR: Davante Adams, Tyreek, Fuller, Aj Brown, AB, MVS, Fulgham, Ward, Fitz, Beasley, amendola, zaccheus
TE: Ertz, Engram, Fells
TM2
QB: Rodgers, Baker, Stafford, Bridgewater
RB:Kamara, Chubb, Hunt, Singletary
WR:M Evans,D Adams,Kupp, AJ brown, lockett, sanders,miller, Patrick, Robinson, Hamilton, Lasley, D.Robinson, Trey Quinn, Scantling, agholor
TE: Kelce, Rudolph, Irv smith, gronk, Burton
TM1
QB: Rodgers, Rivers, Dak, Dalton, Smith
RB: Zeke, CMC, Jacobs, Chubb, Gore, Dearnest
WR: Davante Adams, Tyreek, Fuller, Aj Brown, AB, MVS, Fulgham, Ward, Fitz, Beasley, amendola, zaccheus
TE: Ertz, Engram, Fells
TM2
QB: Rodgers, Baker, Stafford, Bridgewater
RB:Kamara, Chubb, Hunt, Singletary
WR:M Evans,D Adams,Kupp, AJ brown, lockett, sanders,miller, Patrick, Robinson, Hamilton, Lasley, D.Robinson, Trey Quinn, Scantling, agholor
TE: Kelce, Rudolph, Irv smith, gronk, Burton