In a vacuum, half ppr, who would you rather have? TY or Howard?
I was offered my TY Hilton for his Howard, but I didn't think it was even and wanted a mid 2nd on top of Howard to deal TY, which kinda killed the deal. Should it be a straight swap? or is Howard + mid 2nd a fair return for TY?
My analysis is, I think Luck will come back healthy, and Hilton is in line for a huge number of targets. I think Hilton has the potential to be a top 5 WR this yr if Luck is healthy, and likely top 10 WR; not sure that Howard can hit top 12 RB numbers with Cohen getting more touches, and new RBs jumping into the top 12 (Barkley, etc). Also, I feel like when there is smoke there is fire, and I'm not sure that Nagy is sold on Howard, wouldn't be shocked to see Nagy draft "his guy" is someone like Penny drops to the 4th or Kerryon Johnson to the 5th. NTM Howard is a FA next offseason as well.
Anyways, that was my analysis why I wanted Howard+, but maybe I got rose-colored glasses on, just thought I'd toss it out here and get some opinions. Thanks everyone.
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FWIW - in my recent startup, Howard went 3.01 and TY went 4.09. Though I feel value should be closer than that.
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TEs- Fant, Muth,Irv Smith
1.07,1.11,3.09
TEAM 2: 12 team league. 0.1 ppc 0.5 ppr. TE 1 ppr
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QBs-Watson, Davis, Huntley
RBs- Javonte,Akers, ETN,Gore,Dallas
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TEs- Hock, Kmet,Trautman,AlbertO
1.04, 2.04, 4.04
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QBs- Lamar,Stafford
RBs- JT, Fournette, DHarris,Chuba,Collins,Gaskin,DHarris,Penny,Murray, Snell
WRs- Chase, DJM, Allen, Bateman, Julio, ElijahM, Mims, Crowder
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Re: TY Hilton for Howard?
Straight up seems fair, but if he came to you, he should throw in a 3rd or a prospect.
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Re: TY Hilton for Howard?
In just half ppr, I think Howard's value goes up slightly and Hilton's down. Should be a fair even swap.
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Re: TY Hilton for Howard?
Howard. Where else are you going to find a 23 year old RB coming off two big years? He's crazy undervalued and it all ties back to draft position.
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Re: TY Hilton for Howard?
hmmmm maybe I'm valuing TY to highly. Interesting to see that most see it as a straight across swap. thanks for the opinions so far
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Re: TY Hilton for Howard?
I made this exact trade a few months ago. I had Hilton, got Howard. I felt in an 18-team league it was harder to find good RB depth than WR so that was my deciding factor. I'm not sold on Luck's long-term health and I'm also betting on Hilton (who's game is mostly speed) losing a step over the next two seasons.
That and I'm a Bears fan, so...
That and I'm a Bears fan, so...
Re: TY Hilton for Howard?
Pretty even trade. I'd prefer Howard just based on positional value.
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Re: TY Hilton for Howard?
so I potentially could trade TY for Howard strt across, or I could likely add a 2nd to TY and get CMC. Which does the community prefer?
I'm kinda leaning towards between the two deals, because I think the panthers take a bruiser and I'm somewhat worried about the loss of norwell.
I'm kinda leaning towards between the two deals, because I think the panthers take a bruiser and I'm somewhat worried about the loss of norwell.
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Re: TY Hilton for Howard?
Norv Turner likes the power run game, between the tackle grinders. That's 100% what CMC is not. Sell him while you can.Johnny Canuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 19, 2018 12:55 pm so I potentially could trade TY for Howard strt across, or I could likely add a 2nd to TY and get CMC. Which does the community prefer?
I'm kinda leaning towards between the two deals, because I think the panthers take a bruiser and I'm somewhat worried about the loss of norwell.
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