Rate this trade, worth a Veto?

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Crabtree, Hogan and 1.11 for Julio. Thoughts is it worth a Veto?

Poll ended at Sat Apr 14, 2018 6:10 am

Good
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Veto
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Total votes: 46

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Rate this trade, worth a Veto?

Postby Mints » Wed Apr 11, 2018 6:10 am

A Hogan, Crabtree and 1.11 for Julio Jones trade was proposed in our league and I'm shocked by the value and I don't value Jones highly at this stage of his career. This was shocking though...
TEAM 1:
12 Team Dynasty, 1PPR, 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1Flex, 1TE. (25 player Roster)
QB: Russell Wilson, Matt Ryan, Matthew Stafford
RB: Marlon Mack, Sony Michel, Devonta Freeman, Tarik Cohen, Spencer Ware, Chase Edmunds, Kenneth Dixon, Chris Warren, Damien Harris
WR: DeAndre Hopkins, Keenan Allen, Chris Godwin, Randall Cobb, Jamison Crowder, DaeSean Hamilton, DeVante Parker, Stanley Morgan
TE: Noah Fant, Kyle Rudolph, Jonnu Smith, Delanie Walker

TEAM 2:
12 Team Dynasty, 1PPR, 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1Flex, 1TE. (25 player Roster)
QB: Matthew Stafford, Tom Brady, Josh Allen
RB: Dalvin Cook, Kenyan Drake, Josh Jacobs, Darrell Henderson, Matt Breida, Isaiah Crowell, CJ Anderson, D’Onta Foreman, Alexander Mattison, Chris Warren
WR: Juju Smith, Allen Robinson, Chris Godwin, Marvin Jones, Dede Westbrook, Nelson Agholor, Michael Gallup, Marquise Brown, Mecole Hardman, Diontae Johnson, Donte Moncrief, Devin Funchess, Robert Foster
TE: Austin Hooper, Jesse James, Blake Jarwin, Will Dissly

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Re: Rate this trade, worth a Veto?

Postby hockeyBjj » Wed Apr 11, 2018 6:12 am

It's underselling Julio, but there are plenty of people low on him including some of his owners who'd move him for a 1st and a WR who apparently is the only non Gronk option for Brady. Definitely not Veto worth

If you're upset, you should've made your own bit bigger offer for Julio. I'm sure that owner floated him on the block and got no other takers if he's settling for this
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Team 1- 10 team ppr, 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 2Flx, 1D, 1K
2022: 1-8
Finishes: 6th, 6th, 1st, 5th, 6th, 9th
QB: Lamar Jackson, Purdy
RB: Bijan, Dobbins, Achane, Charbonnet, Algier, McBride, waiver trash
WR: JSN, QJ, Addison, Dotson, Skyy Moore, Jameson Williams, Hyatt, T Dell, Boutte, Skowronek, Quez Watkins, Greg Dortch, waiver trash
TE: Hockenson, F Monroe, Juwan, Musgrave
D/K: Patriots, Vikings, Saints, Dicker

picks-
2024- 1,1,1,1,2,2,2,3,3,4,5,5
2025 1,1,1,2,3,4,5

team 2- 12 team SF, .5PPR, .5TE boost, 1QB, 1SF, 2 RB, 3WR, 1TE, 2Flex
2022: 8-1
Finishes: 2nd, 2nd, 2nd, 2nd :wall:
QB: Ljax, GenoD Jones, Minshew, Dobbs
RB: CMC, Stevenson, A Jones, Chubb, A Mattison, D cook, Perine, Mckinnon,
WR:Tyreek, Diggs, C Kupp, D Adams, Keenan Allen, Lockett, Gallup, A Lazard, Hodgins
TE: Kelce, LaPorta, Irv Smith,
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Re: Rate this trade, worth a Veto?

Postby pierson242 » Wed Apr 11, 2018 6:14 am

hockeyBjj wrote: Wed Apr 11, 2018 6:12 am It's underselling Julio, but there are plenty of people low on him including some of his owners who'd move him for a 1st and a WR who apparently is the only non Gronk option for Brady. Definitely not Veto worth

If you're upset, you shouldn't made your own bit bigger offer for Julio. I'm sure that owner floated him on the block and got no other takers if he's settling for this
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Re: Rate this trade, worth a Veto?

Postby jwb32 » Wed Apr 11, 2018 6:20 am

hockeyBjj wrote: Wed Apr 11, 2018 6:12 am It's underselling Julio, but there are plenty of people low on him including some of his owners who'd move him for a 1st and a WR who apparently is the only non Gronk option for Brady. Definitely not Veto worth

If you're upset, you shouldn't made your own bit bigger offer for Julio. I'm sure that owner floated him on the block and got no other takers if he's settling for this
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TEAM 1: 12 team league. 1.0 PPR WR/TE 0.5 PPR RB
Start 1QB, 2RBs, 3WRs, 2Flex, 1TE, 1DST
QBs- Lamar, Wentz
RBs- Javonte,Sanders, Michel,Howard,JJackson,JWilson
WRs- DJM,McLaurin,Higgins,DeVonta Smith,Jeudy, OBJ,Bateman,Treadwell,Crowder
TEs- Fant, Muth,Irv Smith
1.07,1.11,3.09

TEAM 2: 12 team league. 0.1 ppc 0.5 ppr. TE 1 ppr
Start 1QB, 2RBs, 3WRs, 2Flex, 1TE,
QBs-Watson, Davis, Huntley
RBs- Javonte,Akers, ETN,Gore,Dallas
WRs- McClaurin,DJM,Godwin,Diontae,MarquiseBr, Mooney,Van Jefferson,Collins,Atwell
TEs- Hock, Kmet,Trautman,AlbertO
1.04, 2.04, 4.04

TEAM 3: 12 team league. 0.5 ppr, 0.5/fd
Start 1QB, 2RBs, 2WRs, 2Flex, 1TE,
QBs- Lamar,Stafford
RBs- JT, Fournette, DHarris,Chuba,Collins,Gaskin,DHarris,Penny,Murray, Snell
WRs- Chase, DJM, Allen, Bateman, Julio, ElijahM, Mims, Crowder
TEs- Waller, Morneau,Njoku
2022 1st, 2nd (2), 3rd (2)

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Re: Rate this trade, worth a Veto?

Postby Mints » Wed Apr 11, 2018 6:28 am

hockeyBjj wrote: Wed Apr 11, 2018 6:12 am It's underselling Julio, but there are plenty of people low on him including some of his owners who'd move him for a 1st and a WR who apparently is the only non Gronk option for Brady. Definitely not Veto worth

If you're upset, you shouldn't made your own bit bigger offer for Julio. I'm sure that owner floated him on the block and got no other takers if he's settling for this
I wouldn't say I'm upset, certainly not over fantasy football... I'm just shocked!
TEAM 1:
12 Team Dynasty, 1PPR, 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1Flex, 1TE. (25 player Roster)
QB: Russell Wilson, Matt Ryan, Matthew Stafford
RB: Marlon Mack, Sony Michel, Devonta Freeman, Tarik Cohen, Spencer Ware, Chase Edmunds, Kenneth Dixon, Chris Warren, Damien Harris
WR: DeAndre Hopkins, Keenan Allen, Chris Godwin, Randall Cobb, Jamison Crowder, DaeSean Hamilton, DeVante Parker, Stanley Morgan
TE: Noah Fant, Kyle Rudolph, Jonnu Smith, Delanie Walker

TEAM 2:
12 Team Dynasty, 1PPR, 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1Flex, 1TE. (25 player Roster)
QB: Matthew Stafford, Tom Brady, Josh Allen
RB: Dalvin Cook, Kenyan Drake, Josh Jacobs, Darrell Henderson, Matt Breida, Isaiah Crowell, CJ Anderson, D’Onta Foreman, Alexander Mattison, Chris Warren
WR: Juju Smith, Allen Robinson, Chris Godwin, Marvin Jones, Dede Westbrook, Nelson Agholor, Michael Gallup, Marquise Brown, Mecole Hardman, Diontae Johnson, Donte Moncrief, Devin Funchess, Robert Foster
TE: Austin Hooper, Jesse James, Blake Jarwin, Will Dissly

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Re: Rate this trade, worth a Veto?

Postby Dusticlez1 » Wed Apr 11, 2018 6:34 am

I don’t believe in vetoing in dynasty...you never know how someone else values a player or what their end-game is...can’t go purely off ADP. I agree it’s underselling on Julio but that’s his loss...and who knows, might work out for him. I’ve seen worse...I’ve seen McClown go for a 1st and I’ve seen James Hoodie Jones go for a 1st after 2 big games late in his career....
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QB: ARod/Geno/JimmyG
RB: Gibbs/Hines
WR: AJB/Hopkins/StBrown/Kirk/Dotson/Juju/Lockett
TE: Kelce/Kmet/Knox

12 Team-SuperFlex-Non-PPR
QB: Lamar/JimmyG/Baker
RB: JT/Javonte/Sanders/Pacheco
WR: AJB/Diggs/Kirk/Jameson/Cooks
TE: Hock/Dulcich

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Re: Rate this trade, worth a Veto?

Postby saw061600 » Wed Apr 11, 2018 6:35 am

New to forum? Never going to get "veto" response because we all feel you should be allowed to run your own team, in your own way, with your own valuations, and the opinions of other owners in league be damned.

Think it's low for Julio but some are surprisingly very low on him. Ageism, foot (yes, have been told his foot is still a concern by during potential trades), TD#s etc. all conspire to want some owners to jump ship.
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Herbert Fields Garoppolo Ridder
JT Barkley Etienne Ingram Charb CEH
Evans Aiyuk Dionte Jeudy London JWill GWils EMoore JMyers Mims Moorex2
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JT Achane Kamara Ford Pacheco Jaleel
AJB DK Godwin Aiyuk Kirk ZJones RMoore Thornton
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Bernard Kendricks Warner Baker Williams Tranquil
Budda McKinney Clark Wilson

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Herbert Stafford Brock Dobbs
Taylor Jacobs Mattison Kyren Jaleel Ford Bigsby
AJB Diggs Evans Kirk McLaurin Dionte Boyd Renfrow JuJu
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Re: Rate this trade, worth a Veto?

Postby lukkynumber13 » Wed Apr 11, 2018 6:45 am

I prefer the Julio side but this isn't even close to veto-worthy. It's just a lopsided deal and frankly we see so much worse, every day on here.
TEAM A - 12T (22 R/U, 20 R/U, 19 R/U, 18 Champ, 17 R/U)
HERBERT, Baker
BIJAN/KAMARA/MIXON, A Jones
HILL/AJB/DK/G WILSON/D Adams, Pittman, Z Flowers, Evans
KITTLE
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TEAM B - 16T, SF, TEP (22 R/U)
HURTS/MINSHEW, Cousins, D Jones
JT/JACOBS, Mostert, Gus E
HILL/MCLAURIN/DEEBO
KELCE/KITTLE, LaPorta
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TEAM C - 14T, SF (Joined in 22)
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HILL/DIGGS/K ALLEN
WALLER
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TEAM D - 14T, 1QB (Joined in 22)
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BIJAN/BREECE/POLLARD
CHASE/DIGGS/G WILSON/AIYUK, DJM, Pittman
KITTLE, Goedert
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TEAM E - 14T, SF, 2TE (Started in 22)
MAHOMES/T-LAW, Carr
BIJAN/CMC/SAQUON/POLLARD, Hall
HILL/AIYUK/EVANS/GODWIN, Hollywood, Thielen
MCBRIDE/ENGRAM, Goedert, Chig
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TEAM F - 16T (Joined in 23)
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DIGGS/GODWIN/AIYUK/EVANS, Thielen, A Cooper
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Re: Rate this trade, worth a Veto?

Postby skip » Wed Apr 11, 2018 8:10 am

saw061600 wrote: Wed Apr 11, 2018 6:35 am Never going to get "veto" response because we all feel you should be allowed to run your own team, in your own way, with your own valuations, and the opinions of other owners in league be damned.
You've definitely come to the wrong forum looking to support the idea of a veto on any trade when it comes to dynasty leagues. I understand why they have a place in high dollar redraft leagues but it is a low percentage of owners who would ever considering playing in dynasty leagues that use them.
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Re: Rate this trade, worth a Veto?

Postby myndflyte » Wed Apr 11, 2018 8:17 am

Agree with everything said here. It's a bad trade for the person selling Julio but not veto worthy. Also, vetoes are dumb and I'd never play in a league that has them. And if a league has vetoes, it should be reserved for clear collusion, not bad trades.
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QB: Rodgers, Prescott, Lauletta (R)
RB: Gordon, Ajayi, Collins, Yeldon, Ekeler, Martin, Grant, Mizzell, David Williams, Jeffery Wilson, Warren
WR: Cooks, Boyd, Marvin Jones, Lockett, Coleman, Doctson, Goodwin, Cobb, T. Williams, Z. Jones, Roberts, Tate (R), Cain (R), Ellington, Cody Core, Beebe
TE: Kelce, Cook, Conklin, LaCosse
2019 Picks: 2, 2, 3, 3, 4, 5

12 team 1 pt PPR SF IDP; 1QB, 2RB, 2WR, 1TE, 1 SFlex, 3 Flex, 1DL, 1LB, 1DB, 1 IDP Flex
QB: Newton, Stafford, Bortles, Kessler
RB: Hunt, Mixon, Lewis, Ekeler, Thompson, Bernard, Davis, Blount
WR: Evans, Lockett, Marvin Jones, Sanders, Lee, Pettis, Crabtree, Cole, Ateman, Lasley
TE: Rudolph, Seals-Jones
DL: Jordon, Ingram
LB: Jarrad Davis, Alonso, Avery Williamson, Warner, Van Noy, Golden, Baker, Shaun Dion Hamilton
DB: Poyer, Kazee, Collins, Jenkins, Cyprien
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Re: Rate this trade, worth a Veto?

Postby Goddard » Wed Apr 11, 2018 8:40 am

Most people will agree that vetoes should only occur when there's collusion involved. This, based on the information we have, doesn't sound like collusion. Just a very bad trade.

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Re: Rate this trade, worth a Veto?

Postby collbey » Wed Apr 11, 2018 8:48 am

Veto? Seriously?

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Re: Rate this trade, worth a Veto?

Postby moishetreats » Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:07 am

@Mints: Your title said that this was a trade; your post said that this was a proposal. Would you mind clarifying?

That being said, add me to the list of those who would (a) never veto this and (b) don't even think that it's outrageous (though definitely light).
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QB: Herbert, Love, Rodgers, G Smith, Stidham, T Taylor, Hall
RB: McCaffrey, Mixon, Pacheco, Montgomery, Z White, Allgeier, Dillon
WR: Hill, St. Brown, Kupp, Allen, Lockett, B Johnson
TE: Kelce, Kmet, Kraft, Okonkwo, Dulcich, Tremble

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2025: 2nd (x2), 4th, 5th (x2)
2026: 1st, 2nd (x2), 3rd, 4th, 5th



12 tms 22 active plyrs. Salary Cap $300 PPR
Start: 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1SF 1Flex / best ball

QB: Lawrence (contract through 2026), Love ('24), Rodgers ('24), Stidham ('25), Lock ('25)
RB: Bijan Robinson ('25), Pollard ('27), Dillon ('24), Rodriguez ('24), Spiller ('24)
WR: G Wilson ('26), AJ Brown ('26), DJ Montgomery ('25)
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Re: Rate this trade, worth a Veto?

Postby believeinthehunter » Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:50 am

honestly if this deal was a scrub and a couple seconds, maybe veto-worthy. but here the julio owner is getting veteran depth with a first. definitely not veto-worthy.
QB: Carson Wentz, Mitchell Trubisky, Patrick Mahomes, Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold
RB: Kareem Hunt, Christian McCaffrey, Duke Johnson, Isaiah Crowell, Rashaad Penny, James Conner, Sony Michel, Nyheim Hines, Jamal Williams
WR: Amari Cooper, Tyreek Hill, Jarvis Landry, Randall Cobb, Albert Wilson, Trequan Smith
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Kicker: Jake Elliot
2019: 2 1sts 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th
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2021: 1st, 2nd, 3rd
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Re: Rate this trade, worth a Veto?

Postby jetsfan5757 » Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:00 pm

Soooooooooooooooooooooooooo not close to veto worthy.
Dynasty League (25 man rosters + 2 IR, non-PPR scoring. QB/3RB/3WR/2TE/K/DB/LB/DL no flex)

QB (1): Herbert, Lawrence, Darnold
RB (3): N. Chubb, D. Henry, J. Taylor, JK Dobbins, Pollard, Singletary, L. Murray
WR (3): D. Hopkins, D. Adams, M. Evans, D.J. Moore, DJ Chark, B. Aiyuk, J. Smith-Schuster, R Bateman, E. Moore
TE (2): I. Smith Jr, H. Henry, Schultz, Tremble

K (1): M. Crosby

DB (1): J. Adams
LB (1): F. Warner
DL (1): D. Lawrence

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