Poll: Adams or Davis and Fuller
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Re: Poll: Adams or Davis and Fuller
I would laugh my a** off with that offer for Adams
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Re: Poll: Adams or Davis and Fuller
this isnt even close u got to keep the proven wr 1
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Re: Poll: Adams or Davis and Fuller
Same.lukkynumber13 wrote: βThu Mar 22, 2018 12:08 am I voted for CD & Fuller but I'll be honest, I'm not sure I'd have the balls to not take the proven commodity, if given the choice.
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Re: Poll: Adams or Davis and Fuller
First off Davis was hurt most the year so we hardly even saw him play.Johnny Canuck wrote: βThu Mar 22, 2018 8:00 am Adams not close. This poll is beyond ridiculous.
- I'll take the guy that has been a top 10 WR in ppg over the past two yrs (9th in 2016, 6th in 2017), over two guys that will be lucky to be WR2s.
- NTM Adams will only improve on his 2017 season with Rodgers back and Jordy gone. I can only attribute the Adams hate to blatant ignorance at this point. He should be valued as a top 8 WR minimum, and likely higher considering he has a top 3 WR situation.
- I like Fuller a ton and feel like he could become a decent WR2 IF everything breaks right for him this season, but that's still a pretty big "IF", a lot of Fullers projection is dependent on how well Watson returns to his 2017 form. Still he's flashed enough in spurts that I like him a fair bit more than Davis.
- Davis didn't show enough last season to warrant the type of returns ppl are asking for. I'm guessing that draft capital and the last titans game is what's sticking out in ppls memory, but he was pretty bad for most of last season. He absolutely screwed me in multiple games that were against easy passing defences, and couldn't do anything, so maybe I'm just bitter. It could also be growing pains of being a rookie, not getting a training camp in, dealing with injury, among a bunch of other excuses...but he's still not worth what ppl are asking. I'll say it again, he will have to be LUCKY to get into the WR2 conversation this year, he'll be more of a fringe WR2/3 at best this season. Ppl will get pissy but I don't think Davis will be anything more than a rich mans Brian Quick.
I suppose this deal makes sense if you are in a complete rebuild, but you should be able to get more for Adams, or at least better players as part of the package.
Secondly remember when Adams had back to back 400 yard seasons to start his career and many thought he was a bust, but now you think hes this elite WR even though hes never had a 1000 yard season????? We shouldn't be so quick to write off Davis just yet
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Re: Poll: Adams or Davis and Fuller
what is your rookie pick value on adams? if 1.01-1.04 then this should be very easily davis and fuller. people love to write guys off after a season or two, would you have wanted adams after his first 2 seasons in the league? what about jordy nelson?
I am admittedly an Adams hater though. His td numbers have made people think hes a stud, when I believe he is totally reliant on double digit scores to be considered a high end WR.
his career high yardage is 997, in 2016.
last season he got under 900 yards, and we wanna talk about what a stud this guy is?? Gimme davis and fuller
I am admittedly an Adams hater though. His td numbers have made people think hes a stud, when I believe he is totally reliant on double digit scores to be considered a high end WR.
his career high yardage is 997, in 2016.
last season he got under 900 yards, and we wanna talk about what a stud this guy is?? Gimme davis and fuller
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Re: Poll: Adams or Davis and Fuller
Nobody is "writing off Davis" here, just mentioning that his production is still just theoretical as he hasn't put it on the field.pierson242 wrote: βFri Mar 23, 2018 4:05 am First off Davis was hurt most the year so we hardly even saw him play.
Secondly remember when Adams had back to back 400 yard seasons to start his career and many thought he was a bust, but now you think hes this elite WR even though hes never had a 1000 yard season????? We shouldn't be so quick to write off Davis just yet
And I think having a 1,000 yard season is more important to real football than it is to our fantasy teams. In 2016 Adams had 997 yards and 12!! touchdowns while playing second fiddle to Jordy. In 2017 with Brett Hundley throwing the ball kinda in his direction he had 885 yards and 10! touchdowns while missing two games with a concussion.
Adams' near-elite fantasy production has been there, and should only go up as the teams' star attraction.
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Re: Poll: Adams or Davis and Fuller
I don't buy in to TDs hard to predict, especially with Graham there nowJJRules wrote: βFri Mar 23, 2018 6:23 amNobody is "writing off Davis" here, just mentioning that his production is still just theoretical as he hasn't put it on the field.pierson242 wrote: βFri Mar 23, 2018 4:05 am First off Davis was hurt most the year so we hardly even saw him play.
Secondly remember when Adams had back to back 400 yard seasons to start his career and many thought he was a bust, but now you think hes this elite WR even though hes never had a 1000 yard season????? We shouldn't be so quick to write off Davis just yet
And I think having a 1,000 yard season is more important to real football than it is to our fantasy teams. In 2016 Adams had 997 yards and 12!! touchdowns while playing second fiddle to Jordy. In 2017 with Brett Hundley throwing the ball kinda in his direction he had 885 yards and 10! touchdowns while missing two games with a concussion.
Adams' near-elite fantasy production has been there, and should only go up as the teams' star attraction.
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Re: Poll: Adams or Davis and Fuller
I voted Adams, but I can't argue that you want 2 shots instead of one with those starting requirements
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Re: Poll: Adams or Davis and Fuller
pierson242 wrote: βFri Mar 23, 2018 4:05 amFirst off Davis was hurt most the year so we hardly even saw him play.Johnny Canuck wrote: βThu Mar 22, 2018 8:00 am
- Davis didn't show enough last season to warrant the type of returns ppl are asking for. I'm guessing that draft capital and the last titans game is what's sticking out in ppls memory, but he was pretty bad for most of last season. He absolutely screwed me in multiple games that were against easy passing defences, and couldn't do anything, so maybe I'm just bitter. It could also be growing pains of being a rookie, not getting a training camp in, dealing with injury, among a bunch of other excuses...but he's still not worth what ppl are asking. I'll say it again, he will have to be LUCKY to get into the WR2 conversation this year, he'll be more of a fringe WR2/3 at best this season. Ppl will get pissy but I don't think Davis will be anything more than a rich mans Brian Quick.
Secondly remember when Adams had back to back 400 yard seasons to start his career and many thought he was a bust, but now you think hes this elite WR even though hes never had a 1000 yard season????? We shouldn't be so quick to write off Davis just yet
The MASSIVE thing that's being forgetting here is during Adams down years, there wasn't a chance in hell that you could get a young top 10 WR for him. During those down seasons Adams was on the waiver wire in most leagues, or could be obtained for a 3rd. Trade value is commensurate to production, Adams was during the down yrs, and now he's rewarded owners that held on to him.
Davis has that same chance to reward owners that want to hold him, but his trade value is nowhere near a top 10 WR currently, even with the addition of Fuller - if you think it is you are delusional...take off the rose colored glasses. Don't get it twisted up, I'm not saying Davis should be on the waiver wire, I believe in holding highly drafted WRs until at least yr 3/4 - I still have Treadwell for C's sake. But based on last yr, his value should should be commensurate with his production (and/or lack of production/playing due to injury - John Ross & Mike Williams get ripped on here for injury but somehow Davis doesn't - extreme example but you get the point). The value ppl are putting on Davis still is hyper inflated.
This isn't rocket science. Davis might retain some unfounded value due to his high draft capital in the NFL (and in rookie drafts), but the amount ppl are asking is foolish.
This happens all the time. For example, Agholor was a first round pick, had some bad seasons, literally no one wanted him in my dynasty leagues. Then had a similar resurgence in value last season. Pre 2017 Agholor was on the waiver wire, post 2017 season he'll likely cost a 2nd.
It's like your trying to sell a brand new 10$ scratch and win. "Oh yah, you're going to win 100k for sure, so you should just pay me 50k for this, it's a great deal for you man," then you scratch it, only to discover that you've won 25k (so you've taken a loss), or 50K (so you're at the same place you started at). Maybe you win above 50K but based on what we've seen, and his current inflated trade valuation, the margins for error/the return on investment is so small it's ridiculous to buy at that price.
* Also the guy played 11 games, far from "hardly even saw him play," I watched the titan games, and have the losses in my redraft leagues record to show for it.
** Rodgers averages 35 TDs a season, even if Graham gets 10 (which is his ceiling imo), it's very easy to see their number one WR (Adams) get 10 out of the remaining 25. TDs aren't quite as hard to predict when you have the best QB, same as it wasn't that hard during Peytons prime. It might be hard for almost every other situation depending on their QB, but Green Bay is an outlier - Rodgers throws more TDs than anyone in the league and locks in on his favorite targets.
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Re: Poll: Adams or Davis and Fuller
He played through injuries all year why were you starting an injured rookie WR???????????Johnny Canuck wrote: βFri Mar 23, 2018 7:57 ampierson242 wrote: βFri Mar 23, 2018 4:05 amFirst off Davis was hurt most the year so we hardly even saw him play.Johnny Canuck wrote: βThu Mar 22, 2018 8:00 am
- Davis didn't show enough last season to warrant the type of returns ppl are asking for. I'm guessing that draft capital and the last titans game is what's sticking out in ppls memory, but he was pretty bad for most of last season. He absolutely screwed me in multiple games that were against easy passing defences, and couldn't do anything, so maybe I'm just bitter. It could also be growing pains of being a rookie, not getting a training camp in, dealing with injury, among a bunch of other excuses...but he's still not worth what ppl are asking. I'll say it again, he will have to be LUCKY to get into the WR2 conversation this year, he'll be more of a fringe WR2/3 at best this season. Ppl will get pissy but I don't think Davis will be anything more than a rich mans Brian Quick.
Secondly remember when Adams had back to back 400 yard seasons to start his career and many thought he was a bust, but now you think hes this elite WR even though hes never had a 1000 yard season????? We shouldn't be so quick to write off Davis just yet
The MASSIVE thing that's being forgetting here is during Adams down years, there wasn't a chance in hell that you could get a young top 10 WR for him. During those down seasons Adams was on the waiver wire in most leagues, or could be obtained for a 3rd. Trade value is commensurate to production, Adams was during the down yrs, and now he's rewarded owners that held on to him.
Davis has that same chance to reward owners that want to hold him, but his trade value is nowhere near a top 10 WR currently, even with the addition of Fuller - if you think it is you are delusional...take off the rose colored glasses. Don't get it twisted up, I'm not saying Davis should be on the waiver wire, I believe in holding highly drafted WRs until at least yr 3/4 - I still have Treadwell for C's sake. But based on last yr, his value should should be commensurate with his production (and/or lack of production/playing due to injury - John Ross & Mike Williams get ripped on here for injury but somehow Davis doesn't - extreme example but you get the point). The value ppl are putting on Davis still is hyper inflated.
This isn't rocket science. Davis might retain some unfounded value due to his high draft capital in the NFL (and in rookie drafts), but the amount ppl are asking is foolish.
This happens all the time. For example, Agholor was a first round pick, had some bad seasons, literally no one wanted him in my dynasty leagues. Then had a similar resurgence in value last season. Pre 2017 Agholor was on the waiver wire, post 2017 season he'll likely cost a 2nd.
It's like your trying to sell a brand new 10$ scratch and win. "Oh yah, you're going to win 100k for sure, so you should just pay me 50k for this, it's a great deal for you man," then you scratch it, only to discover that you've won 25k (so you've taken a loss), or 50K (so you're at the same place you started at). Maybe you win above 50K but based on what we've seen, and his current inflated trade valuation, the margins for error/the return on investment is so small it's ridiculous to buy at that price.
* Also the guy played 11 games, far from "hardly even saw him play," I watched the titan games, and have the losses in my redraft leagues record to show for it.
** Rodgers averages 35 TDs a season, even if Graham gets 10 (which is his ceiling imo), it's very easy to see their number one WR (Adams) get 10 out of the remaining 25. TDs aren't quite as hard to predict when you have the best QB, same as it wasn't that hard during Peytons prime. It might be hard for almost every other situation depending on their QB, but Green Bay is an outlier - Rodgers throws more TDs than anyone in the league and locks in on his favorite targets.
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Re: Poll: Adams or Davis and Fuller
Because one of my redraft teams has soooo much to do with the current topic...you must be great at dodgeball.pierson242 wrote: βFri Mar 23, 2018 8:26 am He played through injuries all year why were you starting an injured rookie WR???????????
If you must know: injuries, bye weeks, easy corner schedule, RB heavy, and he was stated to be 100% in multiple reports. Also I came 2nd in that league just in case that's your next discrediting tactic/ad hominem.
How about we just stop the pissing match and stay on point.
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Re: Poll: Adams or Davis and Fuller
Lol I'm not even worked up dude It was an honest questionJohnny Canuck wrote: βFri Mar 23, 2018 8:37 amBecause one of my redraft teams has soooo much to do with the current topic...you must be great at dodgeball.pierson242 wrote: βFri Mar 23, 2018 8:26 am He played through injuries all year why were you starting an injured rookie WR???????????
If you must know: injuries, bye weeks, easy corner schedule, RB heavy, and he was stated to be 100% in multiple reports. Also I came 2nd in that league just in case that's your next discrediting tactic/ad hominem.
How about we just stop the pissing match and stay on point.
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Re: Poll: Adams or Davis and Fuller
Sorry then. Can be difficult to detect sarcasm via message boards.pierson242 wrote: βFri Mar 23, 2018 8:46 am Lol I'm not even worked up dude It was an honest question
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