david johnson for saquon barkley

[PercyR1]

I was told it would cost me DJ+++ for Barkley. It is the closest I have ever told someone to go F**K themselves in trade negotiations lol

I would need a big piece added to DJ for Saq - u can tell me to go f myself no problem.

[ColdZealDonkeyStrike]

Barkley easily. Similar skillset, 5 years younger, and DJ has a new coach and QB so his situation is nearly as big of a question mark as Barkley's.

[AresGodOWar]

People act like Carson Palmer was the GOAT when evaluating DJ’s value. It’s not exactly like it’s Brees and Payton retiring here. DJ’s value goes way beyond running the ball and I think you can very safely pencil in 90+ receptions and 900+ receiving yards for him if teams sell out to take away the run. Minimum. He almost had that with the great Carson Palmer at the helm. His fantasy numbers will still be elite.

Why do people do this? You can't SAFELY project 90 catches and 900 receiving yards. That's absurd.

That's MAYBE his ceiling if things break perfectly for him like they did in 2016 and even then he didn't hit those threshholds.

Last year 3 RBs broke 80 receptions, and none hit 90. Only 5 Rbs broke 60 receptions. Only Kamara and Gurley broke 700 yards receiving.

In 2016 DJ was the only RB to top 80 catches and only 3 topped 60 catches. DJ was the only Rb to top 700 yards receiving that year.

Stop projecting RBs for their absolute ceilings.

Its almost as bad as people projecting Barkley to be the GOAT huh lol..

DJ easy for me I just don't like Barkley at all he wasn't a good rusher in college why would he be good in the NFL against way better competition , I haven't even offered 1 trade for the 1.01 in any of my leagues just because I know I will have to give up way to much for someone I don't like..

I think DJ is in a better situation than he was with Palmer there because Bradford has a way better completion % and loves dumping to RBs

[ColdZealDonkeyStrike]

People act like Carson Palmer was the GOAT when evaluating DJ’s value. It’s not exactly like it’s Brees and Payton retiring here. DJ’s value goes way beyond running the ball and I think you can very safely pencil in 90+ receptions and 900+ receiving yards for him if teams sell out to take away the run. Minimum. He almost had that with the great Carson Palmer at the helm. His fantasy numbers will still be elite.

Why do people do this? You can't SAFELY project 90 catches and 900 receiving yards. That's absurd.

That's MAYBE his ceiling if things break perfectly for him like they did in 2016 and even then he didn't hit those threshholds.

Last year 3 RBs broke 80 receptions, and none hit 90. Only 5 Rbs broke 60 receptions. Only Kamara and Gurley broke 700 yards receiving.

In 2016 DJ was the only RB to top 80 catches and only 3 topped 60 catches. DJ was the only Rb to top 700 yards receiving that year.

Stop projecting RBs for their absolute ceilings.

Its almost as bad as people projecting Barkley to be the GOAT huh lol..

DJ easy for me I just don't like Barkley at all he wasn't a good rusher in college why would he be good in the NFL against way better competition , I haven't even offered 1 trade for the 1.01 in any of my leagues just because I know I will have to give up way to much for someone I don't like

Where have I heard this criticism before?

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Its almost as bad as people projecting Barkley to be the GOAT huh lol..

It only becomes more and more shocking the expectations for this kid in every thread discussing him. I get the youth argument but the way it seems so many in this community seem to think is that he will walk into the league as the #1 RB ahead of everybody. I can't get on board with that line of thinking.

[Shoreline Steamers]

Its almost as bad as people projecting Barkley to be the GOAT huh lol..

It only becomes more and more shocking the expectations for this kid in every thread discussing him. I get the youth argument but the way it seems so many in this community seem to think is that he will walk into the league as the #1 RB ahead of everybody. I can't get on board with that line of thinking.

It is crazy. And I liked the comment someone made earlier about putting your team in constant rebuild by using all/most of your rookies picks each year. I'm not saying Barkley is going to be a bust. But we know from looking over our past fantasy drafts and ADP that over half of the players we select in our rookie drafts will bust or fail to live up to expectations.

It's almost as if many of those advocating for Barkley to be worth a king's ransom, or stating "I wouldn't give the 1.06 for player X," believe their drafting record will end up spotless. And that's never the case. We all swing and miss and will continue to do so. In fact, it's a lot like a batting average in baseball. If you're hitting .300, you're doing great!

With the hype surrounding Barkley I'd see if I could get a little more added to the Johnson side, if not I'd still be happy to make that trade.

[keebs3]

I recently asked the DJ owner hypothetically what he'd offer if he wanted the 1.01. He said DJ and the 2.03 (13th overall).

I'm not sure he would follow through if it were officially on the table. Either way- Reading this thread from the outside I would say DJ for sure. But, I'm finding it actually unlikely that I'd move my 1.01 for this. I just can't help it...

[FantasyFreak]

Well, as a former Johnson owner (sold a week ago), I'd say keep the pick. Barkley is 6 years younger at the RB position, more of a Sparq Freak than DJ was, and a more natural RB prospect coming out of college. Sometimes you need to take a chance. I will say it's a good chance at this time next year Barkley is comfortably ahead of DJ in ADP. Is the OP in rebuild? Do people ask that before saying things like "DJ easily". In all of my leagues DJ is not valued as high as Barkley right now. DJ has a glass QB, a bad OL and no WR's other than a 35 year old Fitz to keep safeties out of the box. Barkley for me. He is a generational prospect. I don't own him anywhere, but there are no red flags. Injuries can happen anywhere, and can't be predicted. Barkley has so much youth on his side, and even if he puts up a decent rookie season and shows flashes, he will hold value. DJ will be 28 next year, Barkley 22 at the RB position, that is huge. A guy who is in rebuild and earned the 1.01 has no business selling Barkley for DJ. Not sure if it's the team in the OP's sig, because that is a contender, and I would consider it more then, but sometimes you need to take a chance, like if you traded Gurley for a top RB going into his rookie year (Demarco or Shady at 26 going on 27 like DJ), how are you feeling about it now? Would that have been worth it considering what Gurley did his first 3 years compared to those 2 guys in the same time frame?

[HughHoney]

Well, as a former Johnson owner (sold a week ago), I'd say keep the pick. Barkley is 6 years younger at the RB position, more of a Sparq Freak than DJ was, and a more natural RB prospect coming out of college. Sometimes you need to take a chance. I will say it's a good chance at this time next year Barkley is comfortably ahead of DJ in ADP. Is the OP in rebuild? Do people ask that before saying things like "DJ easily". In all of my leagues DJ is not valued as high as Barkley right now. DJ has a glass QB, a bad OL and no WR's other than a 35 year old Fitz to keep safeties out of the box. Barkley for me. He is a generational prospect. I don't own him anywhere, but there are no red flags. Injuries can happen anywhere, and can't be predicted. Barkley has so much youth on his side, and even if he puts up a decent rookie season and shows flashes, he will hold value. DJ will be 28 next year, Barkley 22 at the RB position, that is huge. A guy who is in rebuild and earned the 1.01 has no business selling Barkley for DJ. Not sure if it's the team in the OP's sig, because that is a contender, and I would consider it more then, but sometimes you need to take a chance, like if you traded Gurley for a top RB going into his rookie year (Demarco or Shady at 26 going on 27 like DJ), how are you feeling about it now? Would that have been worth it considering what Gurley did his first 3 years compared to those 2 in the same time frame?

Curious when and what you sold DJ for. Just to help gauge where you’re valuing him.

[FantasyFreak]

Well, as a former Johnson owner (sold a week ago), I'd say keep the pick. Barkley is 6 years younger at the RB position, more of a Sparq Freak than DJ was, and a more natural RB prospect coming out of college. Sometimes you need to take a chance. I will say it's a good chance at this time next year Barkley is comfortably ahead of DJ in ADP. Is the OP in rebuild? Do people ask that before saying things like "DJ easily". In all of my leagues DJ is not valued as high as Barkley right now. DJ has a glass QB, a bad OL and no WR's other than a 35 year old Fitz to keep safeties out of the box. Barkley for me. He is a generational prospect. I don't own him anywhere, but there are no red flags. Injuries can happen anywhere, and can't be predicted. Barkley has so much youth on his side, and even if he puts up a decent rookie season and shows flashes, he will hold value. DJ will be 28 next year, Barkley 22 at the RB position, that is huge. A guy who is in rebuild and earned the 1.01 has no business selling Barkley for DJ. Not sure if it's the team in the OP's sig, because that is a contender, and I would consider it more then, but sometimes you need to take a chance, like if you traded Gurley for a top RB going into his rookie year (Demarco or Shady at 26 going on 27 like DJ), how are you feeling about it now? Would that have been worth it considering what Gurley did his first 3 years compared to those 2 in the same time frame?

Curious when and what you sold DJ for. Just to help gauge where you’re valuing him.

Well, it was a complete rebuild (Orphan). I sold for Melvin Gordon a first and some other minor stuff. I tried for more everywhere, but it was the most I could get, and my team really needed to diversify. I'm higher on Gordon than most, though. I could actually see him outscoring DJ this year. He was a top 5 back last year, and is getting 2 very good interior OL which I he has not had before. I love DJ's talent, but his situation is not what it was 2 years ago. Arians is gone, Carson Palmer playing at a high level is gone, replaced with Glass Bradford, Fitz is 2 years older, and John Brown (who was a big threat back then to the safeties) is gone. Their OL is worse, and I do see DJ getting volume, but it's going to be tough sledding. My point is, even if Barkley gives 75% of what DJ does the next 2 years, at that point, DJ will be almost 30 and Barkley almost 24. Barkley has the upside of what DJ did already, and is 6 years younger. DJ obviously could do it again, but the situation and surrounding he has to duplicate it are much more difficult. Again, I think DJ is an amazing player, but I think the same of Barkley. This is not your typical rookie. The guy jumps off the screen, and his metrics back it up. Much like DJ, there are zero character concerns. I am high on both, but give me the extra 6 years at the RB position.

[gameaholica]

Well, as a former Johnson owner (sold a week ago), I'd say keep the pick. Barkley is 6 years younger at the RB position, more of a Sparq Freak than DJ was, and a more natural RB prospect coming out of college. Sometimes you need to take a chance. I will say it's a good chance at this time next year Barkley is comfortably ahead of DJ in ADP. Is the OP in rebuild? Do people ask that before saying things like "DJ easily". In all of my leagues DJ is not valued as high as Barkley right now. DJ has a glass QB, a bad OL and no WR's other than a 35 year old Fitz to keep safeties out of the box. Barkley for me. He is a generational prospect. I don't own him anywhere, but there are no red flags. Injuries can happen anywhere, and can't be predicted. Barkley has so much youth on his side, and even if he puts up a decent rookie season and shows flashes, he will hold value. DJ will be 28 next year, Barkley 22 at the RB position, that is huge. A guy who is in rebuild and earned the 1.01 has no business selling Barkley for DJ. Not sure if it's the team in the OP's sig, because that is a contender, and I would consider it more then, but sometimes you need to take a chance, like if you traded Gurley for a top RB going into his rookie year (Demarco or Shady at 26 going on 27 like DJ), how are you feeling about it now? Would that have been worth it considering what Gurley did his first 3 years compared to those 2 guys in the same time frame?

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[HughHoney]

Well, as a former Johnson owner (sold a week ago), I'd say keep the pick. Barkley is 6 years younger at the RB position, more of a Sparq Freak than DJ was, and a more natural RB prospect coming out of college. Sometimes you need to take a chance. I will say it's a good chance at this time next year Barkley is comfortably ahead of DJ in ADP. Is the OP in rebuild? Do people ask that before saying things like "DJ easily". In all of my leagues DJ is not valued as high as Barkley right now. DJ has a glass QB, a bad OL and no WR's other than a 35 year old Fitz to keep safeties out of the box. Barkley for me. He is a generational prospect. I don't own him anywhere, but there are no red flags. Injuries can happen anywhere, and can't be predicted. Barkley has so much youth on his side, and even if he puts up a decent rookie season and shows flashes, he will hold value. DJ will be 28 next year, Barkley 22 at the RB position, that is huge. A guy who is in rebuild and earned the 1.01 has no business selling Barkley for DJ. Not sure if it's the team in the OP's sig, because that is a contender, and I would consider it more then, but sometimes you need to take a chance, like if you traded Gurley for a top RB going into his rookie year (Demarco or Shady at 26 going on 27 like DJ), how are you feeling about it now? Would that have been worth it considering what Gurley did his first 3 years compared to those 2 in the same time frame?

Curious when and what you sold DJ for. Just to help gauge where you’re valuing him.

Well, it was a complete rebuild (Orphan). I sold for Melvin Gordon a first and some other minor stuff. I tried for more everywhere, but it was the most I could get, and my team really needed to diversify. I'm higher on Gordon than most, though. I could actually see him outscoring DJ this year. He was a top 5 back last year, and is getting 2 very good interior OL which I he has not had before. I love DJ's talent, but his situation is not what it was 2 years ago. Arians is gone, Carson Palmer playing at a high level is gone, replaced with Glass Bradford, Fitz is 2 years older, and John Brown (who was a big threat back then to the safeties) is gone. Their OL is worse, and I do see DJ getting volume, but it's going to be tough sledding. My point is, even if Barkley gives 75% of what DJ does the next 2 years, at that point, DJ will be almost 30 and Barkley almost 24. Barkley has the upside of what DJ did already, and is 6 years younger. DJ obviously could do it again, but the situation and surrounding he has to duplicate it are much more difficult. Again, I think DJ is an amazing player, but I think the same of Barkley. This is not your typical rookie. The guy jumps off the screen, and his metrics back it up. Much like DJ, there are zero character concerns. I am high on both, but give me the extra 6 years at the RB position.

I understand where you’re coming from and expect big things from Barkley too. I also like Gordon and think he is being undervalued because of the SD OL play the last few years.

[nathanq42]

Contender I'd take DJ, rebuilder I would take Barkley or sell him for something other than DJ (maybe add a bit for a high end WR?)

[keebs3]

Well, as a former Johnson owner (sold a week ago), I'd say keep the pick. Barkley is 6 years younger at the RB position, more of a Sparq Freak than DJ was, and a more natural RB prospect coming out of college. Sometimes you need to take a chance. I will say it's a good chance at this time next year Barkley is comfortably ahead of DJ in ADP. Is the OP in rebuild? Do people ask that before saying things like "DJ easily". In all of my leagues DJ is not valued as high as Barkley right now. DJ has a glass QB, a bad OL and no WR's other than a 35 year old Fitz to keep safeties out of the box. Barkley for me. He is a generational prospect. I don't own him anywhere, but there are no red flags. Injuries can happen anywhere, and can't be predicted. Barkley has so much youth on his side, and even if he puts up a decent rookie season and shows flashes, he will hold value. DJ will be 28 next year, Barkley 22 at the RB position, that is huge. A guy who is in rebuild and earned the 1.01 has no business selling Barkley for DJ. Not sure if it's the team in the OP's sig, because that is a contender, and I would consider it more then, but sometimes you need to take a chance, like if you traded Gurley for a top RB going into his rookie year (Demarco or Shady at 26 going on 27 like DJ), how are you feeling about it now? Would that have been worth it considering what Gurley did his first 3 years compared to those 2 guys in the same time frame?

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Well said, thank you for translating my instinct!

[hockeyBjj]

DJ and don't overthink this. You were offered a Golden sheep. It is very unlikely that Barkley, no matter how good, will have a 400 point ppr season ceiling that DJ has already shown he can do

Yes the Cards are in rough shape, but the Cardinals weren't exactly a super team in 2016 when he pulled it off