Keenan for Winston in Superflex

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Keenan for Winston in Superflex

Postby Edgy68 » Sat Jan 20, 2018 1:49 pm

Guy is driving a hard bargain for Allen in Panther Dynasty. He asked for Winston and the 1.09 for Allen and his 3.04. Is my counter of swapping out the 3.04 for his 2.04 reasonable? I also asked him if the was another WR I could include in the package for him to include his 2nd instead, as he seems to be balking at the idea.
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Re: Keenan for Winston in SF

Postby HughHoney » Sat Jan 20, 2018 1:59 pm

You can try but I like the Allen side better with the 3.04 included.

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Re: Keenan for Winston in SF

Postby TheTroll » Sat Jan 20, 2018 2:08 pm

1QB league I assume? If so Keenan side way more value. That deal is fair as is.
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WR: Jefferson, Olave, London, Ridley, Sutton, Shaheed
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Re: Keenan for Winston in Superflex

Postby Phaded » Sat Jan 20, 2018 6:47 pm

I honestly feel like Winston is worth more than Allen straight up in a Superflex; let alone needing to add your 1st..

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Re: Keenan for Winston in Superflex

Postby Mrowmix » Sat Jan 20, 2018 7:45 pm

Phaded wrote: Sat Jan 20, 2018 6:47 pm I honestly feel like Winston is worth more than Allen straight up in a Superflex; let alone needing to add your 1st..
Agreed

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Re: Keenan for Winston in Superflex

Postby Tyrober » Sat Jan 20, 2018 8:48 pm

The pick should be on his side. I see you’re stacked at QB by that doesn’t mean you should lose out on value. Keep Winston

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Re: Keenan for Winston in Superflex

Postby John_Clayton » Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:19 pm

Winston > Keenan in SF.
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QB: R. Wilson, A. Smith
RB: T. Gurley, A. Kamara, D. Freeman, T. Coleman, J. Mixon, A. Kamara, A. Ekler
WR: A. Brown. M. Evans, J. Crowder, J. Smith-Schuster, D. Westbrook, T. Taylor, C. Samuel
TE: T. Kelce, E. Engram

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Re: Keenan for Winston in Superflex

Postby ArrylT » Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:10 pm

Concur with the above - Keenan Allen is worth a lot, but in a Superflex Winston is worth more.
Please speak to clarion contrarion before considering the use of vetos..

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Re: Keenan for Winston in Superflex

Postby HughHoney » Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:13 pm

I just finished my first season in SF. Guess I’m still not valuing a QB2 as much as others as I prefer the WR1 here.

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Re: Keenan for Winston in Superflex

Postby Dynasty DeLorean » Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:25 pm

ArrylT wrote: Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:10 pm Concur with the above - Keenan Allen is worth a lot, but in a Superflex Winston is worth more.
Yeah probably. If you want to do a straight swap, meh alright. But I certainly wouldn't add a 1st.

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Re: Keenan for Winston in Superflex

Postby Edgy68 » Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:31 pm

Another thought is to try Trubisky and the 1.09 for Allen, but when he rejects, to offer Trubisky and the 1.03. I really feel putting Allen on my squad would make the sting of losing the 3rd overall pick less harsh.
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TE T. Kelce, D. Goedert, G. Dulcich, J. Woods
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QB J. Burrow, A. Richardson, J. Winston, S. Howell
RB J. Mixon, E. Elliott, N. Chubb, J. Kelley, K. Harris, J. Ford
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Re: Keenan for Winston in Superflex

Postby ArrylT » Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:38 pm

HughHoney wrote: Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:13 pm I just finished my first season in SF. Guess I’m still not valuing a QB2 as much as others as I prefer the WR1 here.
Well a lot can and will always depend on the exact scoring settings of a league - however in a standard ppr Superflex Winston was a QB2 and he still scored almost identical to Keenan Allen on a ppg basis and in some settings equaled him in total points. Plus, for me at least, locked in starting QBs have longer shelf lifes, safer floors on a per game basis, and of course are more scarce.

However like Dynasty Delorean said - if an owner wants to do an even swap go for it - but paying extra seems like an easy way to slowly bleed value - especially as other owners see you sell QBs cheaper than the norm and then take note ...
Please speak to clarion contrarion before considering the use of vetos..

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Re: Keenan for Winston in Superflex

Postby Goddard » Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:40 pm

I actually think they should be worth pretty evenly.

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Re: Keenan for Winston in Superflex

Postby Edgy68 » Sun Jan 21, 2018 8:30 am

Goddard wrote: Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:40 pm I actually think they should be worth pretty evenly.
Thanks guys. I'm excited about the possibility of adding a top WR, as I feel that is a weakness on this team. But I checked our scoring for this year and Winston scored only 14 fewer points than Allen while missing 3 games and being pulled early in 2 due to the injury.
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WR AJ Brown, C. Ridley, J. Chase, C. Lamb, JSN, G. Pickens, K. Osborn, J. Meyers, A. Pierce, T. Scott
TE T. Kelce, D. Goedert, G. Dulcich, J. Woods
D/ST MIN, PIT, DEN

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12-team SF, .5 PPR 35 roster: 1QB, 1SF, 2RB, 2WR, 1TE, 2FLEX, 2DB, 2LB, 2DL, 1FLEX
QB J. Burrow, A. Richardson, J. Winston, S. Howell
RB J. Mixon, E. Elliott, N. Chubb, J. Kelley, K. Harris, J. Ford
WR D. Hopkins, C. Godwin, T. Higgins, C. Ridley, J. Smith-Njigba, J. Mingo
TE T. Kelce, K. Pitts, Z. Ertz, D. Goedert, J. Ferguson
DB R. Grant, J. Simmons
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LB C. Mosley, A. Singleton, P. Queen, D. Deablo

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Re: Keenan for Winston in Superflex

Postby bigbuck22 » Sun Jan 21, 2018 8:59 am

Mrowmix wrote: Sat Jan 20, 2018 7:45 pm
Phaded wrote: Sat Jan 20, 2018 6:47 pm I honestly feel like Winston is worth more than Allen straight up in a Superflex; let alone needing to add your 1st..
Agreed
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