Gurley+ for DJ+

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Gurley+ vs DJ+

Gurley and Cooper
39
74%
DJ and Cooks
14
26%
 
Total votes: 53

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Re: Gurley+ for DJ+

Postby McCloskey22 » Fri Jan 19, 2018 9:11 am

Tough...but I go with Gurley side because he is the best piece
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Re: Gurley+ for DJ+

Postby DinoDynasty » Fri Jan 19, 2018 9:39 am

Gurley and Cooper and it's not close for me.

Gurley's and DJ are equal talents IMO.
Gurley is younger and in a situation that is significantly better in the near and long term than DJ.

Cooks > Cooper, but I think Cooper will rebound in value given his target share should drastically increase and Carr should return to form.
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Re: Gurley+ for DJ+

Postby operwapitsai » Fri Jan 19, 2018 11:58 am

I would like to hear an argument from the few that have DJ>Gurley

How is that justifiable at this point while considering the year Gurley/Rams had vs what DJ/Cardinals had WHILE also considering each franchises direction. Ownership bias?

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Re: Gurley+ for DJ+

Postby WhatWouldDitkaDo » Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:12 pm

operwapitsai wrote: Fri Jan 19, 2018 11:58 am I would like to hear an argument from the few that have DJ>Gurley

How is that justifiable at this point while considering the year Gurley/Rams had vs what DJ/Cardinals had WHILE also considering each franchises direction. Ownership bias?
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Re: Gurley+ for DJ+

Postby Seventy5 » Sat Jan 20, 2018 1:09 pm

DJ vs Gurley can be argued either way but realistically they are equals.

Cooper vs Cooks could also be argued either way, so it just depends on whether you think Cooper can rebound to last years values.

Me personally, as an owner of all of the above, I would probably rather bet on Cooper>Cooks for the long-term even though I'd feel safer with Cooks short-term.

Win-win deal for both sides though. Comes down to personal preference/who you like to root for.
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Re: Gurley+ for DJ+

Postby HughHoney » Sat Jan 20, 2018 1:25 pm

operwapitsai wrote: Fri Jan 19, 2018 11:58 am I would like to hear an argument from the few that have DJ>Gurley

How is that justifiable at this point while considering the year Gurley/Rams had vs what DJ/Cardinals had WHILE also considering each franchises direction. Ownership bias?
I own both and view them as equal. DJ is a stud and I’m not sure how you discount what he did part-time his rookie year and his massive season in 2016. He’s such a good receiver that he’s almost defense-proof. Despite age he’s got extremely low mileage (<450 career carries and >350 fewer than Gurley). Gurley is a stud too and it’s basically a coin flip for me. The reason I voted DJ side is Cooks>Cooper. And I own Cooper but not Cooks so no ownership bias. Besides often you own a player because of how you value them, not value them because you own them.

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Re: Gurley+ for DJ+

Postby jeaton6 » Sun Jan 21, 2018 7:22 am

Gurley>>DJ.
Cooper>Cooks

Cooks very inconsistent with Brady and Cooper will be target hog with Crabtree likely gone and young up and coming QB with Gruden.
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Re: Gurley+ for DJ+

Postby HughHoney » Sun Jan 21, 2018 7:31 am

jeaton6 wrote: Sun Jan 21, 2018 7:22 am Gurley>>DJ.
Cooper>Cooks

Cooks very inconsistent with Brady and Cooper will be target hog with Crabtree likely gone and young up and coming QB with Gruden.
Why Gurley so much > DJ?

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Re: Gurley+ for DJ+

Postby Bisquiteen Trisket » Sun Jan 21, 2018 7:37 am

I prefer the Gurley/Cooper side. Gurley and DJ are
About even, but Gurley gets the edge with age, recency bias and situation. Cooks is a bit better than Cooper right now, but I like Cooper as a bounce back this year.

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Re: Gurley+ for DJ+

Postby nathanq42 » Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:02 am

I have DJ>Gurley because the Falcons held him to 101 yards on 14 carries, which is good for 7.4 ypc, and 4 catches for 10 yards on 10 targets . But what the stats don't tell you is that a lot of the rushing yards came off of a few chunk plays. And the rams offense that was some all mighty dominant force or nature put up 13 points against at good but nothing special Falcons D. What that tells me is that teams during the regular season played the rams all wrong, shut down Gurley, shut down the rams, so I expect Gurley to take a big step back after watching the Falcons game, he is still a stud and a great player, but the only thing that has stopped DJ so far is an injury, and it isn't like the Cardinals were a great team in 2016 anyways, I expect 2000+ all purpose yards and a bunch of TDs, because the Cardinals have no red zone threat other than Fitz.

Tldr; Falcons focussed heavily on Gurley and shut down the whole rams offense, I think too many teams have Goff credit during the regular season. DJ has always produced and the Cardinals have never had a great offense, the only thing that stopped him so far has been a dislocated wrist
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Re: Gurley+ for DJ+

Postby ravn88 » Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:06 pm

HughHoney wrote: Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:23 pm DJ=Gurley
Cooks>Cooper
DJ = Gurley

I Think this is way off.

Gurley:
Coming off hos Best Season, with his new Coach, with his 2. Year QB.
I Think he Will continue to to Play this level.
He is proper top tier RB.

DJ:
Coming off a Season ending injurey in the first game. The Season Before was hos Best ever.
Since then, the defence has gotten weaker.
His Coach and that style of football that made him
Preforme that crazy Season.
Hos QB is gone and Maybe the Best WR Will be gone aswell.

I would be happy as a DJ owner if he got past the 200 point mark this 2018 Season.

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Re: Gurley+ for DJ+

Postby ravn88 » Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:10 pm

nathanq42 wrote: Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:02 am I have DJ>Gurley because the Falcons held him to 101 yards on 14 carries, which is good for 7.4 ypc, and 4 catches for 10 yards on 10 targets . But what the stats don't tell you is that a lot of the rushing yards came off of a few chunk plays. And the rams offense that was some all mighty dominant force or nature put up 13 points against at good but nothing special Falcons D. What that tells me is that teams during the regular season played the rams all wrong, shut down Gurley, shut down the rams, so I expect Gurley to take a big step back after watching the Falcons game, he is still a stud and a great player, but the only thing
that has stopped DJ so far is an injury, and it isn't like the Cardinals were a great team in 2016 anyways, I expect 2000+ all purpose yards and a bunch of TDs, because the Cardinals have no red zone threat other than Fitz.

Tldr; Falcons focussed heavily on Gurley and shut down the whole rams offense, I think too many teams have Goff credit during the regular season. DJ has always produced and the Cardinals have never had a great offense, the only thing that stopped him so far has been a dislocated wrist

With a rookie QB under Center, and Maybe Fitz Maybe, not Fitz as the only WR.

What team in their right mind would not have 8 people up front once DJ is on the field ?
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Re: Gurley+ for DJ+

Postby jeaton6 » Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:59 pm

HughHoney wrote: Sun Jan 21, 2018 7:31 am
jeaton6 wrote: Sun Jan 21, 2018 7:22 am Gurley>>DJ.
Cooper>Cooks

Cooks very inconsistent with Brady and Cooper will be target hog with Crabtree likely gone and young up and coming QB with Gruden.
Why Gurley so much > DJ?
3 years younger. Put up same season DJ did in 2016. No questions/concerns about new QB or offense. DJs value is down and tough to move right now near pre-injury price given uncertainty.
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Re: Gurley+ for DJ+

Postby Phaded » Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:07 pm

To say there are no questions or concerns about the Rams is a bit naive.. especially after what the Falcons defense did to them (and they are a very mediocre defense).

With that said - I am legitimately shocked this is so one sided; wish I had Gurley so I could sell him. lol

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Re: Gurley+ for DJ+

Postby HughHoney » Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:21 pm

ravn88 wrote: Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:06 pm
HughHoney wrote: Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:23 pm DJ=Gurley
Cooks>Cooper
DJ = Gurley

I Think this is way off.

Gurley:
Coming off hos Best Season, with his new Coach, with his 2. Year QB.
I Think he Will continue to to Play this level.
He is proper top tier RB.

DJ:
Coming off a Season ending injurey in the first game. The Season Before was hos Best ever.
Since then, the defence has gotten weaker.
His Coach and that style of football that made him
Preforme that crazy Season.
Hos QB is gone and Maybe the Best WR Will be gone aswell.

I would be happy as a DJ owner if he got past the 200 point mark this 2018 Season.

Just my 2 cents
200 points? Seriously? DJ scored over 200 points his rookie year on 125 carries. On 125 freaking carries. Hard to take anything you say seriously with comments like that.


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