Trade proposal for Watson

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Trade proposal for Watson

Postby Dyno_7 » Wed Jan 03, 2018 9:00 am

I'm in negotiations to get Deshaun Watson for my team 2 in Sig. Currently, he's asking for Carlos Hyde & Mike Williams. This is tilted pretty heavy in his favor imo. However, as you can tell I'm stashing a boat load of young WR's, so I technically could afford to deal one of them away and still feel good about my numbers there.

I have the 7th pick in each round of our rookie draft and he has the 10th (he won our league). I feel I have plenty of time to maneuver some more to replace Hyde in the draft. If I countered by asking for a draft pick, would his 3rd round be enough to tip the scales? I can always ask for his 2nd rounder first, and 3rd as a backup too. Matt Ryan makes me nervous, so I don't mind rolling the dice on Watson's upside. But I don't want to grossly overpay either. Thanks in advance.
TEAMS 1&2: 10tm. Non-PPR +IDP.
Starters: 1QB-2RB-3WR-1TE-1K-2DL-1EDR-3LB-3DB

TEAM 1:
QB: C.Wentz, P.Rivers, J.Rosen, L.Jackson.
RB: J.Mixon, L.Fournette, J.Howard, D.Williams
WR: O.BeckhamJr, M.Thomas, S.Diggs, J.Smith-Schuster, S.Watkins, C.Godwin, C.Sutton.
TE: Z.Ertz, M.Gesicki, G.Kittle.
DL: D.Hunter, D.Barnett, C.Jones.
EDR: H.Landry.
LB: M.Jack, Z.Cunningham, A.Williamson, L.Vander Esch, C.Littleton.
DB: R.Jones, B.McDougald, S.Williams.

TEAM 2:
QB: D.Watson.
RB: D.Cook, A.Kamara, J.Mixon, C.Hyde, N.Chubb, A.Jones.
WR: A.Cooper, M.Thomas, J.Smith-Schuster, J.Gordon, M.Williams, K.Golladay, C.Godwin, C.Kirk.
TE: E.Engram, D.Njoku, D.Goedert.
DL: K.Mack, D.Hunter, D.Ware
EDR: V.Miller
LB: T.Smith, M.Jack, D.Jones, Z.Cunningham, T.Edmunds, L.Vander Esch.
DB: B.Baker, D.James, C.Geathers.

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Re: Trade proposal for Watson

Postby jwb32 » Wed Jan 03, 2018 9:27 am

That's an overpay in 1QB. Watson showed well in limited sample but it is far from certain he outperforms Ryan over full season. He might be worth Hyde OR Williams, but certainly not both.
TEAM 1: 12 team league. 1.0 PPR WR/TE 0.5 PPR RB
Start 1QB, 2RBs, 3WRs, 2Flex, 1TE, 1DST
QBs- Lamar, Wentz
RBs- Javonte,Sanders, Michel,Howard,JJackson,JWilson
WRs- DJM,McLaurin,Higgins,DeVonta Smith,Jeudy, OBJ,Bateman,Treadwell,Crowder
TEs- Fant, Muth,Irv Smith
1.07,1.11,3.09

TEAM 2: 12 team league. 0.1 ppc 0.5 ppr. TE 1 ppr
Start 1QB, 2RBs, 3WRs, 2Flex, 1TE,
QBs-Watson, Davis, Huntley
RBs- Javonte,Akers, ETN,Gore,Dallas
WRs- McClaurin,DJM,Godwin,Diontae,MarquiseBr, Mooney,Van Jefferson,Collins,Atwell
TEs- Hock, Kmet,Trautman,AlbertO
1.04, 2.04, 4.04

TEAM 3: 12 team league. 0.5 ppr, 0.5/fd
Start 1QB, 2RBs, 2WRs, 2Flex, 1TE,
QBs- Lamar,Stafford
RBs- JT, Fournette, DHarris,Chuba,Collins,Gaskin,DHarris,Penny,Murray, Snell
WRs- Chase, DJM, Allen, Bateman, Julio, ElijahM, Mims, Crowder
TEs- Waller, Morneau,Njoku
2022 1st, 2nd (2), 3rd (2)

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Re: Trade proposal for Watson

Postby auggiedoggies » Wed Jan 03, 2018 9:44 am

In a 10tm 1QB league, no chance I send either of those guys for Watson, let alone both.
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Re: Trade proposal for Watson

Postby thomasscheeks » Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:17 am

auggiedoggies wrote: Wed Jan 03, 2018 9:44 am In a 10tm 1QB league, no chance I send either of those guys for Watson, let alone both.
I would maybe send Williams considering Keenan's huge bounce back, but I definitely wouldn't trade Hyde for Watson
10 Man IDP, .75 ppr, Big Play Bonus, TE Prem, 2 QB, 1-3 RB, 2-4 WR, 2 TE, 2 DT, 2 DE, 3 LB, 4 DB, 34 Keepers (17 off - 17 IDP)
QB: Watson, Lawrence, Tannehill, Fitzmagic
RB: Jacobs, Javonte, Drake, Mack
WR: Thomas, DJ Moore, Mike Williams, Golladay, Mooney, Kirk, Shepard, Parker
TE: Kittle, Ito Smith, Ebron, Bryant, Seals-Jones
DT: Simmons, Cox, Oliver, Vea
DL: Bosa, Hunter, Heyward, Greenard, Odeyingbo
LB: Watt, White, Cunningham, Kirksey
DB: Collins, Duggar, J Reid, Clark, Edmunds

12 Man, 1 ppr, 1 QB, 1-3 RB, 1-3 WR, 1 TE
QB: Tua, Jameis, Cam, Taysom
RB: Taylor, Javonte, CEH
WR: Jefferson, Nuk, Diontae, Juju, Shepard, Mooney, Robby Anderson
TE: Henry, Gesicki, Brevin, Cook

12 Man, 1 ppr, 1 QB, 1-3 RB, 1-3 WR, 1 TE
QB: Russ, Matty Ice, Tannehill
RB: CMC, Dobbins, Sanders. Scott, Mack
WR: Nuk, Keenan, Mooney, Patrick, Collins, Dyami
TE: Andrews, Schultz, Brevin, Akins

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Re: Trade proposal for Watson

Postby Goddard » Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:59 am

thomasscheeks wrote: Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:17 am
auggiedoggies wrote: Wed Jan 03, 2018 9:44 am In a 10tm 1QB league, no chance I send either of those guys for Watson, let alone both.
I would maybe send Williams considering Keenan's huge bounce back, but I definitely wouldn't trade Hyde for Watson
Agree. I can see maybe moving Williams, but not Hyde...and definitely not both.

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Re: Trade proposal for Watson

Postby wildabeast49 » Wed Jan 03, 2018 11:09 am

Both is a huge overpay in a 10 team 1 qb. I wouldnt even pursue it if he thinks that's a reasonable price
10 team, .5 ppr dynasty
QB: Brady, Wilson
RB: Fournette, cook, mixon, Ajayi, Gordon, Ware, Joe Williams, Hunt, Martin
WR: Evans, TY, Dez, Sammy, Coleman, Diggs, Ross, White, Fitz
TE: Watson, Eifert, Bennet

PPR 12 team superflex, limited devy (1 per year) heavy return yardage
Cousins, Rivers, Kizer
Fournette, Zeke, Mixon, mcCaffrey, Joe Williams, Mcnichols, Mack, Martin
Cooper, Evans, Watkins, Coleman, Diggs, Martavis, Chad Williams, Parker
Henry, Rudolph, Hodges

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Re: Trade proposal for Watson

Postby Dyno_7 » Wed Jan 03, 2018 11:14 am

Appreciate the feedback guys. I don't like the idea of dealing Hyde much at all. Williams, sure because I have other prospects. Definitely not both. Not unless he throws someone else in with Watson.
TEAMS 1&2: 10tm. Non-PPR +IDP.
Starters: 1QB-2RB-3WR-1TE-1K-2DL-1EDR-3LB-3DB

TEAM 1:
QB: C.Wentz, P.Rivers, J.Rosen, L.Jackson.
RB: J.Mixon, L.Fournette, J.Howard, D.Williams
WR: O.BeckhamJr, M.Thomas, S.Diggs, J.Smith-Schuster, S.Watkins, C.Godwin, C.Sutton.
TE: Z.Ertz, M.Gesicki, G.Kittle.
DL: D.Hunter, D.Barnett, C.Jones.
EDR: H.Landry.
LB: M.Jack, Z.Cunningham, A.Williamson, L.Vander Esch, C.Littleton.
DB: R.Jones, B.McDougald, S.Williams.

TEAM 2:
QB: D.Watson.
RB: D.Cook, A.Kamara, J.Mixon, C.Hyde, N.Chubb, A.Jones.
WR: A.Cooper, M.Thomas, J.Smith-Schuster, J.Gordon, M.Williams, K.Golladay, C.Godwin, C.Kirk.
TE: E.Engram, D.Njoku, D.Goedert.
DL: K.Mack, D.Hunter, D.Ware
EDR: V.Miller
LB: T.Smith, M.Jack, D.Jones, Z.Cunningham, T.Edmunds, L.Vander Esch.
DB: B.Baker, D.James, C.Geathers.

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Re: Trade proposal for Watson

Postby Easy Breesy » Wed Jan 03, 2018 11:15 am

I would send over just mike williams or just hyde, I think that gives you good value and the other team gets pretty good value as well for a 1qb league.
16 team Tiered PPR league, TE Premium, 52 man roster, 2 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1W/R, 1TE/W, Full IDP
QB- Russ, Justin Herbert
RB- Antonio Gibson Ty Johnson, David Johnson Lat Murray
WR- Davante Adams, Allen Robinson, DJ Moore, Cordarelle Patterson,
TE- Hockeson, , Jonnu Smith, Firkser, Logan Thomas

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Re: Trade proposal for Watson

Postby BigBawseRoss » Wed Jan 03, 2018 11:28 am

im on the opposite side from everyone else and i would easily make this trade.... you are soooo deep at rb and wr and watson gives you a top option at qb

generally a 1 qb league it doesnt matter but i think most of these posters didnt look at your roster and just assumed "oh no qb should sell for two starters" but mike williams showed nothing and is worth almost nothing until he does and pretty much everyone is expecting hyde to have to find a job elsewhere so that uncertainty coupled with you owning a stable of high quality rbs makes this a no brainer
team 1
12 team, 1 pt for 4 rec, 0.1 per rush
1qb, 3 rb, 4 wr, te, k, 4 idp
Dak , Herbert
Achane, Breece Hall, KW3Kyren,Ford, Miller, Spiller, z evans, singletary
J Jefferson, Diggs, DK, D Smith Puka, C Watson, E Moore
Njoku , HH, Engram

2024 picks
1,3,4,5,5,6,7 (all late mostly)

team 2
12 team .5ppr
qb, 2 rb, 2 wr, te, flx,flx,
Fields, Dak
Ford,Mixon, Javonte, Mostert, Chubb, Spears
Hopkins, Evans, g Wilson Mingo, shaheed, Jamo
Kelce,McBride, Chig,


1,2,3,3,5

team 3
14 team sf, even scoring idp to offense (rb scores highly too)
Josh Allen, A Rich, Foles, Rudolph
Bijan, Charbs, Spears, Ebner
J Williams, G Wilson, C Watson, Flowers, J Addison, Tillman
Kincaid, Kolar, Ruckert, Fergeson

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Re: Trade proposal for Watson

Postby auggiedoggies » Wed Jan 03, 2018 12:23 pm

BigBawseRoss wrote: Wed Jan 03, 2018 11:28 am im on the opposite side from everyone else and i would easily make this trade.... you are soooo deep at rb and wr and watson gives you a top option at qb

generally a 1 qb league it doesnt matter but i think most of these posters didnt look at your roster and just assumed "oh no qb should sell for two starters" but mike williams showed nothing and is worth almost nothing until he does and pretty much everyone is expecting hyde to have to find a job elsewhere so that uncertainty coupled with you owning a stable of high quality rbs makes this a no brainer

IMO this is a flawed way to think about it. It's the end of the season. Why lose value just to create some kind of balance across your roster? Just because you have quite a few valuable RBs doesn't mean you should sell short on one from a value perspective. I'm also not willing to write off a 23 year old top 10 pick after his rookie season by saying he's worth almost nothing. This type of thinking is a great way to consistently lose value. Not to mention, if you look at his roster, he has Matt Ryan. He doesn't really need Watson.
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Re: Trade proposal for Watson

Postby treble83 » Wed Jan 03, 2018 2:08 pm

BigBawseRoss wrote: Wed Jan 03, 2018 11:28 am im on the opposite side from everyone else and i would easily make this trade.... you are soooo deep at rb and wr and watson gives you a top option at qb

generally a 1 qb league it doesnt matter but i think most of these posters didnt look at your roster and just assumed "oh no qb should sell for two starters" but mike williams showed nothing and is worth almost nothing until he does and pretty much everyone is expecting hyde to have to find a job elsewhere so that uncertainty coupled with you owning a stable of high quality rbs makes this a no brainer
So because OP'er has solid depth, he should be comfortable grossly overpaying for someone who could turn out to be just average!? Flawed thinking IMO..
Team One:
2QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, TE, 2 FLEX, PK, DEF 10 Team
QB: J. Garoppolo, R. Tannehill, R. Wilson, T. Tagavaiola
RB: S. Barkley, T. Charbonnet, A. Ekeler, K. Gainwell, D. Henry, A. Kamara, J. Kelley, D. Montgomery, S. Perine
WR: G. Davis, I. Hodgins, D. Hopkins, C. Kupp, K. Raymond, A. St Brown, A. Thielen, N. Westbrook-Ikhine
TE: M. Andrews, G. Everett, D. Knox, D. Schultz, D. Waller
TAXI:T. Chandler, E. Dotson, J. McLaughlin, D. Ridder

Team Two:
0-2QB, 8-10 FLEX 12 Team
QB: J. Fields, W. Levis, M. Stafford, T. Taylor
RB: T. Allgeier, S. Barkley, T. Bigsby, T. Etienne, Z. Evans, R. Mostert, I. Pacheco, M. Sanders
WR: B. Cooks, G. Davis, V. Jefferson, T. McLaurin, J. Meyers, D.J. Moore, D. Parker, B. Powell, J. Reynolds, L. Shenault, N. Westbrook-Ikhine
TE: J. Smith, D. Waller

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Re: Trade proposal for Watson

Postby pierson242 » Wed Jan 03, 2018 2:18 pm

treble83 wrote: Wed Jan 03, 2018 2:08 pm
BigBawseRoss wrote: Wed Jan 03, 2018 11:28 am im on the opposite side from everyone else and i would easily make this trade.... you are soooo deep at rb and wr and watson gives you a top option at qb

generally a 1 qb league it doesnt matter but i think most of these posters didnt look at your roster and just assumed "oh no qb should sell for two starters" but mike williams showed nothing and is worth almost nothing until he does and pretty much everyone is expecting hyde to have to find a job elsewhere so that uncertainty coupled with you owning a stable of high quality rbs makes this a no brainer
So because OP'er has solid depth, he should be comfortable grossly overpaying for someone who could turn out to be just average!? Flawed thinking IMO..
Don't think Williams is an overpay, that's what you do you use depth to fill other positions. Whos to say Williams isn't a bust or average
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Re: Trade proposal for Watson

Postby treble83 » Wed Jan 03, 2018 3:10 pm

Williams alone is not an overpay, at all. However, I feel that Hyde alone is. So.. Williams+Hyde = Overpay.
Team One:
2QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, TE, 2 FLEX, PK, DEF 10 Team
QB: J. Garoppolo, R. Tannehill, R. Wilson, T. Tagavaiola
RB: S. Barkley, T. Charbonnet, A. Ekeler, K. Gainwell, D. Henry, A. Kamara, J. Kelley, D. Montgomery, S. Perine
WR: G. Davis, I. Hodgins, D. Hopkins, C. Kupp, K. Raymond, A. St Brown, A. Thielen, N. Westbrook-Ikhine
TE: M. Andrews, G. Everett, D. Knox, D. Schultz, D. Waller
TAXI:T. Chandler, E. Dotson, J. McLaughlin, D. Ridder

Team Two:
0-2QB, 8-10 FLEX 12 Team
QB: J. Fields, W. Levis, M. Stafford, T. Taylor
RB: T. Allgeier, S. Barkley, T. Bigsby, T. Etienne, Z. Evans, R. Mostert, I. Pacheco, M. Sanders
WR: B. Cooks, G. Davis, V. Jefferson, T. McLaurin, J. Meyers, D.J. Moore, D. Parker, B. Powell, J. Reynolds, L. Shenault, N. Westbrook-Ikhine
TE: J. Smith, D. Waller

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Re: Trade proposal for Watson

Postby treble83 » Wed Jan 03, 2018 3:13 pm

Point of Reference: http://www.dynastyfftools.com/tools/calculator

I only use these as guides, not hard and fast rules. However, the're not generally this far off for a "good" offer..
Team One:
2QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, TE, 2 FLEX, PK, DEF 10 Team
QB: J. Garoppolo, R. Tannehill, R. Wilson, T. Tagavaiola
RB: S. Barkley, T. Charbonnet, A. Ekeler, K. Gainwell, D. Henry, A. Kamara, J. Kelley, D. Montgomery, S. Perine
WR: G. Davis, I. Hodgins, D. Hopkins, C. Kupp, K. Raymond, A. St Brown, A. Thielen, N. Westbrook-Ikhine
TE: M. Andrews, G. Everett, D. Knox, D. Schultz, D. Waller
TAXI:T. Chandler, E. Dotson, J. McLaughlin, D. Ridder

Team Two:
0-2QB, 8-10 FLEX 12 Team
QB: J. Fields, W. Levis, M. Stafford, T. Taylor
RB: T. Allgeier, S. Barkley, T. Bigsby, T. Etienne, Z. Evans, R. Mostert, I. Pacheco, M. Sanders
WR: B. Cooks, G. Davis, V. Jefferson, T. McLaurin, J. Meyers, D.J. Moore, D. Parker, B. Powell, J. Reynolds, L. Shenault, N. Westbrook-Ikhine
TE: J. Smith, D. Waller

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Re: Trade proposal for Watson

Postby thomasscheeks » Wed Jan 03, 2018 3:34 pm

BigBawseRoss wrote: Wed Jan 03, 2018 11:28 am im on the opposite side from everyone else and i would easily make this trade.... you are soooo deep at rb and wr and watson gives you a top option at qb

generally a 1 qb league it doesnt matter but i think most of these posters didnt look at your roster and just assumed "oh no qb should sell for two starters" but mike williams showed nothing and is worth almost nothing until he does and pretty much everyone is expecting hyde to have to find a job elsewhere so that uncertainty coupled with you owning a stable of high quality rbs makes this a no brainer
Throwing away value just to "even" out your team is a losing man's game. Value is value regardless of how stacked your team is. Rich people don't get rich by throwing money away
10 Man IDP, .75 ppr, Big Play Bonus, TE Prem, 2 QB, 1-3 RB, 2-4 WR, 2 TE, 2 DT, 2 DE, 3 LB, 4 DB, 34 Keepers (17 off - 17 IDP)
QB: Watson, Lawrence, Tannehill, Fitzmagic
RB: Jacobs, Javonte, Drake, Mack
WR: Thomas, DJ Moore, Mike Williams, Golladay, Mooney, Kirk, Shepard, Parker
TE: Kittle, Ito Smith, Ebron, Bryant, Seals-Jones
DT: Simmons, Cox, Oliver, Vea
DL: Bosa, Hunter, Heyward, Greenard, Odeyingbo
LB: Watt, White, Cunningham, Kirksey
DB: Collins, Duggar, J Reid, Clark, Edmunds

12 Man, 1 ppr, 1 QB, 1-3 RB, 1-3 WR, 1 TE
QB: Tua, Jameis, Cam, Taysom
RB: Taylor, Javonte, CEH
WR: Jefferson, Nuk, Diontae, Juju, Shepard, Mooney, Robby Anderson
TE: Henry, Gesicki, Brevin, Cook

12 Man, 1 ppr, 1 QB, 1-3 RB, 1-3 WR, 1 TE
QB: Russ, Matty Ice, Tannehill
RB: CMC, Dobbins, Sanders. Scott, Mack
WR: Nuk, Keenan, Mooney, Patrick, Collins, Dyami
TE: Andrews, Schultz, Brevin, Akins


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