Where is everyone valuing JuJu?

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Where is everyone valuing JuJu?

Postby FKC » Sun Dec 31, 2017 11:56 am

Where are you valuing JuJu in 2018 picks? Do you think acquiring him makes sense for my roster?
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Re: Where is everyone valuing JuJu?

Postby captain howdy » Sun Dec 31, 2017 12:34 pm

Since you asked, id want the 1.2 before trading JJSS

I would not offer that to the 1.2 owner though, I know it's probably aggressive in valuation, but what exactly is to be gained by trading him away? He's everything one wants in dynasty at WR and is frankly just a fun guy to root for and a strong competitor.

I think he has a significant ceiling

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Re: Where is everyone valuing JuJu?

Postby esloan35 » Sun Dec 31, 2017 12:42 pm

I think a top 10. Going to be hard to get unless the over pay is outrageous. Maybe you can get a newbie to do something.

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Re: Where is everyone valuing JuJu?

Postby WhatWouldDitkaDo » Sun Dec 31, 2017 12:46 pm

I'd say mid 1st, similar in value to Derrick Henry or Evan Engram.
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Re: Where is everyone valuing JuJu?

Postby Favrezilla » Sun Dec 31, 2017 3:46 pm

Mid-late first and I like most of your WRs more than him.

He's still he 3rd option (at best) on a team with high volume to AB and Bell.

I don't think I'd want him tbh...owners probably want too much for a guy I never think will be the focal point of an offense, he may be worth it but I wouldn't pay for it
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Re: Where is everyone valuing JuJu?

Postby FKC » Sun Dec 31, 2017 3:50 pm

Favrezilla wrote: Sun Dec 31, 2017 3:46 pm Mid-late first and I like most of your WRs more than him.

He's still he 3rd option (at best) on a team with high volume to AB and Bell.

I don't think I'd want him tbh...owners probably want too much for a guy I never think will be the focal point of an offense, he may be worth it but I wouldn't pay for it
That’s what I’m thinking. To high of a price for a guy who’s the 3rd option on his team.
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Re: Where is everyone valuing JuJu?

Postby captain howdy » Sun Dec 31, 2017 3:54 pm

Never is a strong word to use for a 21 year old with. 900 yard rookie season

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Re: Where is everyone valuing JuJu?

Postby esloan35 » Sun Dec 31, 2017 4:04 pm

captain howdy wrote: Sun Dec 31, 2017 3:54 pm Never is a strong word to use for a 21 year old with. 900 yard rookie season
Yup....bring JuJu my way...

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Re: Where is everyone valuing JuJu?

Postby AresGodOWar » Sun Dec 31, 2017 4:05 pm

I'm starting to really like him but there are questions like to many mouths to feed in Pitt for him to do it consistently and who will be the QB next year or the year after..

I dont think he will be a WR1 anytime soon so I wouldn't give up a elite player for him , I would rank him around 30ish ADP
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Re: Where is everyone valuing JuJu?

Postby FKC » Sun Dec 31, 2017 6:13 pm

captain howdy wrote: Sun Dec 31, 2017 3:54 pm Never is a strong word to use for a 21 year old with. 900 yard rookie season
If he’s the focal point of an offense, it will be a while. I wouldn’t say never, but for the price currently, I would pass.
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Re: Where is everyone valuing JuJu?

Postby captain howdy » Sun Dec 31, 2017 6:33 pm

FKC wrote: Sun Dec 31, 2017 6:13 pm
captain howdy wrote: Sun Dec 31, 2017 3:54 pm Never is a strong word to use for a 21 year old with. 900 yard rookie season
If he’s the focal point of an offense, it will be a while. I wouldn’t say never, but for the price currently, I would pass.
He doesn't need to be the focal point. He scored well as a rookie in a complementary role.

If he WAS the focal point of the offense he'd be going multiple firsts. His current price is high, no doubt, I don't disagree with you and others on that. But it takes two things for a deal to go down. A price someone is willing to buy for, yea but also a price someone is willing to sell for.

I know you understand that principle, I only mention it to highlight that with Juju, Selling for a mid first carries risk and the upside of...Juju.

So why sell for that price?

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Re: Where is everyone valuing JuJu?

Postby Mephistopheles » Sun Dec 31, 2017 6:37 pm

Pick 1.2??? Top 30 asset??? Lets pump the brakes on this a bit.

First, you have AB in front of him, likely not going anywhere for 2-3 years.
Second, he's the third option in that offense.
Third, there's a very large question mark as to whether Big Ben is around next year...and whether his successor (Josh Dobbs?) can sustain 3-4 fantasy assets the way Ben does (depending on whether they bring back Martavis).
Fourth, lest we not forget that DC's in the league are pretty smart cookies and will have a whole season of tape and whole offseason to game plan for Juju.

Not saying he's not good but I think realistically his value should be around where Martavis was this year, a month or so post-suspension, which was upper 60's to 70's in ADP. That equates into about pick 1.7-1.8 normally, but I think I can find better assets with those picks, either in trade or selecting them.

Realistically, if someone were selling, I would pay 1.12-2.2, if I were buying I would give 1.9-1.12 with a likelihood of asking for a bit more at the upper end of that range and offering a bit more at the bottom end.
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Re: Where is everyone valuing JuJu?

Postby HughHoney » Sun Dec 31, 2017 6:56 pm

If you’re redrafting this class, think he’d fall around mid-first. I’d say somewhere around 1.03-1.05 sounds about right.

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Re: Where is everyone valuing JuJu?

Postby ESKAY » Sun Dec 31, 2017 7:20 pm

SCYCPA wrote: Sun Dec 31, 2017 6:37 pm Pick 1.2??? Top 30 asset??? Lets pump the brakes on this a bit.

First, you have AB in front of him, likely not going anywhere for 2-3 years.
Second, he's the third option in that offense.
Third, there's a very large question mark as to whether Big Ben is around next year...and whether his successor (Josh Dobbs?) can sustain 3-4 fantasy assets the way Ben does (depending on whether they bring back Martavis).
Fourth, lest we not forget that DC's in the league are pretty smart cookies and will have a whole season of tape and whole offseason to game plan for Juju.

Not saying he's not good but I think realistically his value should be around where Martavis was this year, a month or so post-suspension, which was upper 60's to 70's in ADP. That equates into about pick 1.7-1.8 normally, but I think I can find better assets with those picks, either in trade or selecting them.

Realistically, if someone were selling, I would pay 1.12-2.2, if I were buying I would give 1.9-1.12 with a likelihood of asking for a bit more at the upper end of that range and offering a bit more at the bottom end.
I was curious after reading this post to see where is ADP was. Right now on MFL he is at 42. Some of the guys in the 65 range are Crowder and Cupp. No thanks... I will keep JUJu.

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Re: Where is everyone valuing JuJu?

Postby Rasorin » Sun Dec 31, 2017 7:26 pm

A top 3 pick might seem crazy but take any WR taken in this upcoming draft, you would be thrilled if they produced what JuJu did this year. Plus he is just as young and already has 1 year of the best WR production from the the last two classes. If you have him and you are selling for a late 1st rounder... than I am buying all day long!


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