A possible deal here that I have been offered, which side is better?
Give: Brees and Engram
Get: Ajayi, mid-late 1st and 2nd, Brandon Marshall
Engram would be a huge loss but I really like Ajayi's prospects and his value could rocket in the closing stages of the season with Wentz out and the need for the Eagles to rely on the run game. Of course it's difficult to get a quality TE but guys like Njoku and Howard may be acquired for an early 2nd if needs be.
Brees is clearly on the way down and probably at best his value is now mid 2nd. I have Luck coming back for next year so he will be my starter, injuries permitting.
My season is over, so losing Brees as my starter for rest of season doesn't matter.
Marshall would just be a throw in but could well help at some point next year or an extra chip for me to use in trades in the off season.
Would really like to hear your opinions, thanks guys!
Potential trade for multiple players and picks
Potential trade for multiple players and picks
12 team/.5 PPR league/ 1 QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1 TE, 2 Flex, D, K
Team 1
QB: Jackson Richardson, Kyler
RB: McCaffrey, B Hall, Mostert, FordKendre Miller, E Mitchell, McLaughlin
WR: Lamb, K Allen, G WilsonLondon, Flowers, JSN, Mims, Perry
TE: Kelce, Goedert, Likely
K: Aubrey
D: 49ers Cowboys, Browns
Team 2
QB: Lawrence, Wilson, Fields
RB: Javonte Williams, Ekeler, McCaffrey, Pacheco Charbonnet, Bigsby
WR: Chase, London, Jeudy Woods, Sutton, Beckham, Skyy Moore, W Robinson
TE: Pitts Likely, Kmet, Dulcich
K: McPherson
D: 49ers
Team 1
QB: Jackson Richardson, Kyler
RB: McCaffrey, B Hall, Mostert, FordKendre Miller, E Mitchell, McLaughlin
WR: Lamb, K Allen, G WilsonLondon, Flowers, JSN, Mims, Perry
TE: Kelce, Goedert, Likely
K: Aubrey
D: 49ers Cowboys, Browns
Team 2
QB: Lawrence, Wilson, Fields
RB: Javonte Williams, Ekeler, McCaffrey, Pacheco Charbonnet, Bigsby
WR: Chase, London, Jeudy Woods, Sutton, Beckham, Skyy Moore, W Robinson
TE: Pitts Likely, Kmet, Dulcich
K: McPherson
D: 49ers
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Re: Potential trade for multiple players and picks
I would do that. Brees has been phased out of the offense enough that hes not a super stud anymore. Engram is a loss but the mid first covers that and u get what 2nd for brees. I'm not a Marshall fan at all
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Re: Potential trade for multiple players and picks
X2darewood11 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 16, 2017 1:12 pm I would do that. Brees has been phased out of the offense enough that hes not a super stud anymore. Engram is a loss but the mid first covers that and u get what 2nd for brees. I'm not a Marshall fan at all
I like the Ajayi side. He and Engram are similar value in my eyes (early First) so the picks definitely outweigh Brees.
TEAM A - 12T (22 R/U, 20 R/U, 19 R/U, 18 Champ, 17 R/U)
HERBERT, Baker
BIJAN/KAMARA/MIXON, A Jones
HILL/AJB/DK/G WILSON/D Adams, Pittman, Z Flowers, Evans
KITTLE
/
TEAM B - 16T, SF, TEP (22 R/U)
HURTS/MINSHEW, Cousins, D Jones
JT/JACOBS, Mostert, Gus E
HILL/MCLAURIN/DEEBO
KELCE/KITTLE, LaPorta
/
TEAM C - 14T, SF (Joined in 22)
GENO
HENRY/A JONES, Gus E
HILL/DIGGS/K ALLEN
WALLER
/
TEAM D - 14T, 1QB (Joined in 22)
MAHOMES, Goff
BIJAN/BREECE/POLLARD
CHASE/DIGGS/G WILSON/AIYUK, DJM, Pittman
KITTLE, Goedert
/
TEAM E - 14T, SF, 2TE (Started in 22)
MAHOMES/T-LAW, Carr
BIJAN/CMC/SAQUON/POLLARD, Hall
HILL/AIYUK/EVANS/GODWIN, Hollywood, Thielen
MCBRIDE/ENGRAM, Goedert, Chig
/
TEAM F - 16T (Joined in 23)
R WILSON, Minshew
SAQUON/KAMARA/MIXON, Monty
DIGGS/GODWIN/AIYUK/EVANS, Thielen, A Cooper
KELCE, Schultz
/
TEAM G - 12T, SF & TEP (Joined in 23)
HERBERT/TUA, Kyler
BIJAN/MIXON, Spears, J Warren
JJ/G WILSON/WADDLE/OLAVE, Godwin, J Reed
LAPORTA
HERBERT, Baker
BIJAN/KAMARA/MIXON, A Jones
HILL/AJB/DK/G WILSON/D Adams, Pittman, Z Flowers, Evans
KITTLE
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TEAM B - 16T, SF, TEP (22 R/U)
HURTS/MINSHEW, Cousins, D Jones
JT/JACOBS, Mostert, Gus E
HILL/MCLAURIN/DEEBO
KELCE/KITTLE, LaPorta
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TEAM C - 14T, SF (Joined in 22)
GENO
HENRY/A JONES, Gus E
HILL/DIGGS/K ALLEN
WALLER
/
TEAM D - 14T, 1QB (Joined in 22)
MAHOMES, Goff
BIJAN/BREECE/POLLARD
CHASE/DIGGS/G WILSON/AIYUK, DJM, Pittman
KITTLE, Goedert
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TEAM E - 14T, SF, 2TE (Started in 22)
MAHOMES/T-LAW, Carr
BIJAN/CMC/SAQUON/POLLARD, Hall
HILL/AIYUK/EVANS/GODWIN, Hollywood, Thielen
MCBRIDE/ENGRAM, Goedert, Chig
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TEAM F - 16T (Joined in 23)
R WILSON, Minshew
SAQUON/KAMARA/MIXON, Monty
DIGGS/GODWIN/AIYUK/EVANS, Thielen, A Cooper
KELCE, Schultz
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TEAM G - 12T, SF & TEP (Joined in 23)
HERBERT/TUA, Kyler
BIJAN/MIXON, Spears, J Warren
JJ/G WILSON/WADDLE/OLAVE, Godwin, J Reed
LAPORTA
Re: Potential trade for multiple players and picks
lukkynumber13 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 16, 2017 1:46 pmX2darewood11 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 16, 2017 1:12 pm I would do that. Brees has been phased out of the offense enough that hes not a super stud anymore. Engram is a loss but the mid first covers that and u get what 2nd for brees. I'm not a Marshall fan at all
I like the Ajayi side. He and Engram are similar value in my eyes (early First) so the picks definitely outweigh Brees.
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16 teamer
QB T Law, R Wilson
rb- Mixon,pollard, J Hill, conner,
WR-Chase,Lamb,T Hill, R Bateman, C sutton, boyd
Te Kelce, Waller, Fant,Evertt,
1qb,2-3rb,3-5wr,1-2 TE
Full IDP
Team 2 recent rod 16 team SF/TEP(2pt PPR) 1-2 QB, 2-3 RB, 3-5 wrs and 1-2 TE full IDP.
QB A rod, M willis and H Hooker
rb not squat T Bigsby, Chris R, Z evans. J kelly, C patterson, and J mcluaghlin.
WRs chase, J Addison, T McLaurin, C ridgley , A Losivas, M hollins
TE Kelce, D Belligner, T Conklin
QB T Law, R Wilson
rb- Mixon,pollard, J Hill, conner,
WR-Chase,Lamb,T Hill, R Bateman, C sutton, boyd
Te Kelce, Waller, Fant,Evertt,
1qb,2-3rb,3-5wr,1-2 TE
Full IDP
Team 2 recent rod 16 team SF/TEP(2pt PPR) 1-2 QB, 2-3 RB, 3-5 wrs and 1-2 TE full IDP.
QB A rod, M willis and H Hooker
rb not squat T Bigsby, Chris R, Z evans. J kelly, C patterson, and J mcluaghlin.
WRs chase, J Addison, T McLaurin, C ridgley , A Losivas, M hollins
TE Kelce, D Belligner, T Conklin
Re: Potential trade for multiple players and picks
Maybe I'm weird, but I like the Engram side. Engram is pretty hard to replace, and you don't have another great option at TE, but you're good at RB. If you want to move Engram for something, is there an owner willing to part with WR stocks? I'd think somebody would for Engram.
Just my two cents
Just my two cents
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12 team, Superflex, PPR, TE premium (1.5)
QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, TE, SFlex, Flex
QB Burrow, Dak, Carr, Jimmy G, Winston, Dalton, Zappe, Rush, O'Connell, Heinicke
RB Bijan, Etienne, Pacheco, Rhamondre, K. Herbert, Jamaal Williams, Dillon, Jeff Wilson, Gus Edwards, Chase Edmonds, Chuba, K. Ingram, Pierre Strong, Kevin Harris, Haskins, Brittain Brown, Chase Brown
WR Chase, AJ Brown, Kupp, Keenan, Sutton, Cooks, Boyd, Michael Wilson, Iosivas, Tre Tucker,
TE Kelce, Pitts, Dulcich, McBride, Cole Turner, Strange, Mallory, E Higgins
Draft picks:
'24- 3, 3, 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 5, 6
'25- 1, 1, 3, 4, 4, 4, 5, 6
12 team, Superflex, PPR, TE premium (1.5)
QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, TE, SFlex, Flex
QB Burrow, Dak, Carr, Jimmy G, Winston, Dalton, Zappe, Rush, O'Connell, Heinicke
RB Bijan, Etienne, Pacheco, Rhamondre, K. Herbert, Jamaal Williams, Dillon, Jeff Wilson, Gus Edwards, Chase Edmonds, Chuba, K. Ingram, Pierre Strong, Kevin Harris, Haskins, Brittain Brown, Chase Brown
WR Chase, AJ Brown, Kupp, Keenan, Sutton, Cooks, Boyd, Michael Wilson, Iosivas, Tre Tucker,
TE Kelce, Pitts, Dulcich, McBride, Cole Turner, Strange, Mallory, E Higgins
Draft picks:
'24- 3, 3, 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 5, 6
'25- 1, 1, 3, 4, 4, 4, 5, 6
Re: Potential trade for multiple players and picks
I'd make that trade.
Re: Potential trade for multiple players and picks
I agree with this; here's something I posted on the NY Giants blog about Engram discussing rookie years of some TEs. Look at his rookie numbers on a crap team with terrible coaching and no running game or OL.RedBengal wrote: ↑Sat Dec 16, 2017 2:53 pm Maybe I'm weird, but I like the Engram side. Engram is pretty hard to replace, and you don't have another great option at TE, but you're good at RB. If you want to move Engram for something, is there an owner willing to part with WR stocks? I'd think somebody would for Engram.
Just my two cents
Only TE to beat him in TDs is Gronk, who went 14-2 and had a in-his-prime Brady chucking it to him. I’d settle for Gronk/Kelce, just saying.
Engram: 55/623/6 100 Targets Team Record: 2-11 Coach: Ben McAdoo, king of 11 personnel. QB: Eil
Ertz: 36/469/4 57 Targets 10-6 Chip Kelly/ Vick/Foles
Graham 31/356/5 44 Targets 11-5 Sean Payton/Breezy
Kelce: 67/862/5 87 Targets 9-7 Andy Reid/Smith
Gronk: 42/456/10 59 Targets 14-2 Bill Belichick/Brady
E. Ebron: 25/248/1 (Picked one spot ahead of Odell Beckham Jr.) - Stafford
Other rookies from THIS year:
Njoku 29/355/4
Howard 25/402/5
Re: Potential trade for multiple players and picks
This is a great point, but would Engram's stats take a significant hit if Odell wasn't injured this season?Samhain34 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 17, 2017 12:46 amI agree with this; here's something I posted on the NY Giants blog about Engram discussing rookie years of some TEs. Look at his rookie numbers on a crap team with terrible coaching and no running game or OL.RedBengal wrote: ↑Sat Dec 16, 2017 2:53 pm Maybe I'm weird, but I like the Engram side. Engram is pretty hard to replace, and you don't have another great option at TE, but you're good at RB. If you want to move Engram for something, is there an owner willing to part with WR stocks? I'd think somebody would for Engram.
Just my two cents
Only TE to beat him in TDs is Gronk, who went 14-2 and had a in-his-prime Brady chucking it to him. I’d settle for Gronk/Kelce, just saying.
Engram: 55/623/6 100 Targets Team Record: 2-11 Coach: Ben McAdoo, king of 11 personnel. QB: Eil
Ertz: 36/469/4 57 Targets 10-6 Chip Kelly/ Vick/Foles
Graham 31/356/5 44 Targets 11-5 Sean Payton/Breezy
Kelce: 67/862/5 87 Targets 9-7 Andy Reid/Smith
Gronk: 42/456/10 59 Targets 14-2 Bill Belichick/Brady
E. Ebron: 25/248/1 (Picked one spot ahead of Odell Beckham Jr.) - Stafford
Other rookies from THIS year:
Njoku 29/355/4
Howard 25/402/5
Aviators, 12 Team, 25 Man Roster (QB/WR/WR/RB/RB/TE/FLEX/FLEX/FLEX/DST)
QB - Watson, Newton, Flacco
RB - Barkley, Sanders, Montgomery, White, Harris, Miller
WR - Ridley, Campbell, Samuel, Arcega-Whiteside, D. Johnson, Harmon, Higgins, Funchess
TE - Hockenson, Dissly, Heuerman, Thomas, Kroft
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QB - Brady, Luck, Stafford, Lock, Stidham
RB - D. Johnson, McCaffrey, Cohen, Davis, Gaskin
WR - Hopkins, M. Thomas, Diggs, Edelman, Cobb, Hogan
TE - Kelce, Cook, McDonald
Devy - Ehlinger, Patterson, Sermon
PF Percival, 12 Team, 25 Man Roster (QB/WR/WR/RB/RB/TE/FLEX/FLEX/FLEX/DST)
QB - Mahomes, Allen
RB - Elliot, Michel, Jacobs, Carson, Penny, Hines
WR - Sutton, Kirk, AJ Brown, Richardson, Beasley, Amendola
TE - Fant, Gronkowski, Dickson
QB - Watson, Newton, Flacco
RB - Barkley, Sanders, Montgomery, White, Harris, Miller
WR - Ridley, Campbell, Samuel, Arcega-Whiteside, D. Johnson, Harmon, Higgins, Funchess
TE - Hockenson, Dissly, Heuerman, Thomas, Kroft
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QB - Brady, Luck, Stafford, Lock, Stidham
RB - D. Johnson, McCaffrey, Cohen, Davis, Gaskin
WR - Hopkins, M. Thomas, Diggs, Edelman, Cobb, Hogan
TE - Kelce, Cook, McDonald
Devy - Ehlinger, Patterson, Sermon
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RB - Elliot, Michel, Jacobs, Carson, Penny, Hines
WR - Sutton, Kirk, AJ Brown, Richardson, Beasley, Amendola
TE - Fant, Gronkowski, Dickson
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Re: Potential trade for multiple players and picks
I actually think engram will be safe next year as Odell will demand a ton of eyes
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