Kamara value

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Kamara vs Cook + 2018 2nd + 2019 2nd

Alvin Kamara
28
55%
Dalvin Cook + 2018 (early) 2nd + 2019 2nd
23
45%
 
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Re: Kamara value

Postby Seventy5 » Wed Dec 13, 2017 5:35 pm

Realistically, I think the two should be rated fairly evenly; if Dalvin hadn't gotten hurt, most would probably be viewing them the same right now, and as of now this injury doesn't appear to be of long-term concern.

I'd take Kamara straight up, but if someone through a 1st on top of Dalvin for my Kamara I would have to think about it.
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Re: Kamara value

Postby mmass » Wed Dec 13, 2017 6:50 pm

Cook over Kamara long term... the 2nd's are just a bonus
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Re: Kamara value

Postby fakespike13 » Thu Dec 14, 2017 1:10 am

I pray that Cook comes back as strong as you guys are expecting him to. I've got both and value kamara pretty significantly higher.
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Re: Kamara value

Postby lukkynumber13 » Thu Dec 14, 2017 2:59 am

I feel like Kamara should net you more than that, but in the long run I'll take who I still think is the better back and a couple extra lottery tickets. I love Cook's talent.
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Re: Kamara value

Postby Weber27 » Thu Dec 14, 2017 4:57 am

Rasorin wrote: Wed Dec 13, 2017 12:06 pm
Weber27 wrote: Wed Dec 13, 2017 11:51 am Recency bias is so powerful, especially in fantasy football.

Dalvin Cook's first game as a rookie he went 22/127 catching 3/10. His next 3 games prior to injury he was 12/64, 27/97 1TD, 13/66 1TD including catches of 2/10, 5/72 and 1/8. He was involved in the passing game and looked really good in pass protection. We could all be talking about Dalvin Cook being on par with Kamara right now if not for injury. Kamara looks good, but don't pay too much and give away a player that could be equal or better, not to mention adding 2 2nds or a 1st as some are saying, if that is the price give me Cook and my picks.
I hear recency biased used way too often when we talk about Kamara. After two months of super elite production when when does "results bias" take over? I mean if we are talking about Jamaal Williams or Kenyan Drake I feel you. Yes, we all want a larger sample size, but the NFL schedule has too few games per season for us to afford not taking shorter term results into factor.

Call me crazy, but I actually prefer a 14 games of results on Kamara over a handful of games and "what ifs" on Cook.
I see where you are coming from. But the recency bias is not a knock on Kamara, this guy has proven throughout the season he is dynamic player and his value should reflect that. Where the recency bias is evident is with Cook, he only played 3 1/2 games so it's hard to remember how good he looked, because Dalvin Cook was looking like the best RB in the draft early on. So to say that you would have to give a 1st with Cook to get Kamara is an overpay that I would not be willing to pay. If I had Kamara and could get Cook and the 1.05-1.10 I would be all over that.
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Re: Kamara value

Postby sloth8u » Thu Dec 14, 2017 6:48 am

fakespike13 wrote: Thu Dec 14, 2017 1:10 am I pray that Cook comes back as strong as you guys are expecting him to. I've got both and value kamara pretty significantly higher.
you took kamara before cook in the draft?

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Re: Kamara value

Postby fakespike13 » Thu Dec 14, 2017 9:28 am

sloth8u wrote: Thu Dec 14, 2017 6:48 am
fakespike13 wrote: Thu Dec 14, 2017 1:10 am I pray that Cook comes back as strong as you guys are expecting him to. I've got both and value kamara pretty significantly higher.
you took kamara before cook in the draft?
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Re: Kamara value

Postby Concept Coop » Thu Dec 14, 2017 11:01 am

Seventy5 wrote: Wed Dec 13, 2017 5:35 pm Realistically, I think the two should be rated fairly evenly; if Dalvin hadn't gotten hurt, most would probably be viewing them the same right now, and as of now this injury doesn't appear to be of long-term concern.

I'd take Kamara straight up, but if someone through a 1st on top of Dalvin for my Kamara I would have to think about it.
Dalvin looked really good over a 4 game sample size. Alvin Kamara has looked special over a 13 game sample size. I don't think it's a given that we'd be valuing them equally if not for the injury. I'd say unlikely, even.

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Re: Kamara value

Postby Jfever » Thu Dec 14, 2017 11:03 am

Weber27 wrote: Wed Dec 13, 2017 11:51 am Recency bias is so powerful, especially in fantasy football.

Dalvin Cook's first game as a rookie he went 22/127 catching 3/10. His next 3 games prior to injury he was 12/64, 27/97 1TD, 13/66 1TD including catches of 2/10, 5/72 and 1/8. He was involved in the passing game and looked really good in pass protection. We could all be talking about Dalvin Cook being on par with Kamara right now if not for injury. Kamara looks good, but don't pay too much and give away a player that could be equal or better, not to mention adding 2 2nds or a 1st as some are saying, if that is the price give me Cook and my picks.
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Re: Kamara value

Postby Concept Coop » Thu Dec 14, 2017 11:04 am

Weber27 wrote: Thu Dec 14, 2017 4:57 am I see where you are coming from. But the recency bias is not a knock on Kamara, this guy has proven throughout the season he is dynamic player and his value should reflect that. Where the recency bias is evident is with Cook, he only played 3 1/2 games so it's hard to remember how good he looked, because Dalvin Cook was looking like the best RB in the draft early on. So to say that you would have to give a 1st with Cook to get Kamara is an overpay that I would not be willing to pay. If I had Kamara and could get Cook and the 1.05-1.10 I would be all over that.
Kareem Hunt looked like the best RB in the draft (and a first ballot HOFer) over that span.

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Re: Kamara value

Postby Jfever » Thu Dec 14, 2017 11:07 am

Cook isn't Hunt. Not complicated.
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Re: Kamara value

Postby Jfever » Thu Dec 14, 2017 11:10 am

Recency bias comes into play here as some are assuming Kamara's production continues, Kamara doesn't get hurt and miss time, and all the while - Cook's production is minimized and seemingly forgotten.

Cook and Kamara are of just about equal value. That is that. To insinuate that a 1st or even multiple 2nds on top of Cook isn't enough to land Kamara - is by my definition - recency bias to it's fullest extent.

I own both rb's on different teams. I like both. I cheer for both to have success. They are not near as far apart as some in this thread have hinted at.
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Re: Kamara value

Postby Concept Coop » Thu Dec 14, 2017 11:22 am

JFever wrote: Thu Dec 14, 2017 11:07 am Cook isn't Hunt. Not complicated.
Why is it not complicated? Hunt has looked just as good as Cook this season. Hunt is a great example of the dangers of small sample sizes. Looking great in 3.5 games is very different than looking great for 13.

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Re: Kamara value

Postby Concept Coop » Thu Dec 14, 2017 11:29 am

JFever wrote: Thu Dec 14, 2017 11:10 am Cook and Kamara are of just about equal value. That is that. To insinuate that a 1st or even multiple 2nds on top of Cook isn't enough to land Kamara - is by my definition - recency bias to it's fullest extent.
There we have it folks: They're equally valuable. And if you don't think so - it's a logical fallacy. :ewink:

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Re: Kamara value

Postby Weber27 » Thu Dec 14, 2017 12:46 pm

Concept Coop wrote: Thu Dec 14, 2017 11:04 am
Weber27 wrote: Thu Dec 14, 2017 4:57 am I see where you are coming from. But the recency bias is not a knock on Kamara, this guy has proven throughout the season he is dynamic player and his value should reflect that. Where the recency bias is evident is with Cook, he only played 3 1/2 games so it's hard to remember how good he looked, because Dalvin Cook was looking like the best RB in the draft early on. So to say that you would have to give a 1st with Cook to get Kamara is an overpay that I would not be willing to pay. If I had Kamara and could get Cook and the 1.05-1.10 I would be all over that.
Kareem Hunt looked like the best RB in the draft (and a first ballot HOFer) over that span.
Ok... I will admit Hunt was looking like the best RB in the class, but I never thought he would sustain that, I always though he was just... ok. I think Cook is a lot better than Hunt regardless of how Hunt started his season. But you are correct sir, Hunt was looking like the best RB after 4 games but Cook/LF were in the conversation and for good reason.
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