Dez vs Robbie Anderson

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Dez vs Robbie Anderson

Dez
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Robbie Anderson
27
59%
 
Total votes: 46

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Re: Dez vs Robbie Anderson

Postby Edgy68 » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:06 am

albedo1986 wrote: Fri Dec 01, 2017 8:54 pm The key here to me is this...exploit value. Trade Dez to the Anderson owner and ask for a first or a great piece in return that you believe in as well.
This sounds about right. You should be able to get value from Dez still. He's past his peak, but still showing skills. I don't trust him to ever have another completely healthy season, so I would work a trade this weekend after what he showed Thurs.
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Re: Dez vs Robbie Anderson

Postby Samhain34 » Sun Dec 03, 2017 2:20 am

I'm going to (deservedly) get pasted for this, but I voted Anderson. I think Dez is declining (not writing his obituary just yet as he's only 29 and not reliant on blazing speed) but still viable for a couple more years, but I think the dynasty community (like the NFL) is too slow to come around on players who were drafted later. If Anderson had been a 3rd round pick, everybody is calling him equal and talking about his upside. This is the flip side of the Cooper apologists who think he's still worth the 1.02. Maybe college tape and the combine don't tell the entire story; maybe this UDFA can just ball. He's a risk, but not as big a risk as I think people believe. I wouldn't sell Anderson for Dez.

That said, there are some names in this thread that I highly respect going the exact opposite of my opinion on all three of these guys, but I just wanted to represent the 10 votes for Anderson.

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Re: Dez vs Robbie Anderson

Postby 95dent » Sun Dec 03, 2017 3:23 am

Dez for me. Not even close. ie different galaxies apart.

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Re: Dez vs Robbie Anderson

Postby jeffster » Sun Dec 03, 2017 6:08 am

All the people posting like they're shocked, and can't even imagine how anyone would sell Dez for this is literally the only reason I would want something added to the Robby side, like an early 2nd.

Dez is 29 and unlikely to top 1000 yards this year, which will be his third in a row. His name still carries enough weight that people can't fathom selling him for a super young ascendant guy who is outperforming him RIGHT NOW.

Dez supporters will apparently continue to bank on 2014 and earlier until the day he retires.

Robby > Dez

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Re: Dez vs Robbie Anderson

Postby dazza » Sun Dec 03, 2017 7:11 am

chalorpas wrote: Fri Dec 01, 2017 8:16 am Is this for real? Dez has had a bad year but really?? Robby Anderson??????
3 bad years in a row is why this thread is a thing. Dez hasn't done anything to exclude him from the comparison since 2014. I don't know if Dez' back issues have caught up to him, if he still lacks chemistry with Dak, or if there's some other issue; but I think it's fair to at least question whether he's anything more than a WR2 moving forward (not matter how much we may still hope he rediscovers that WR1 form of years past)

Oh, and Anderson is 6'3, runs a 4.34 40, and is on pace for 1000 yards and double digit TDs as a 2nd year UDFA. On the Jets. With McCown at QB. It's probably fair to at least consider that he could be in that same WR2 discussion moving forward

I'll still say this is the Dez side by a lot, but that's much more a reflection of his still high name/trade value-and situational/small sample size concerns for Anderson-than any certainty I have in a talent gap now or in the future

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Re: Dez vs Robbie Anderson

Postby 1coldone » Sun Dec 03, 2017 10:48 am

try to get Anderson and a 1st rounder. Rather have Anderson, as I believe Dez is in decline...but, Dez is still the best current value. Anderson could be a flash in the pan, but if he keeps this up...this maybe his cheapest value. Young guy with an attitude or old dude with an attitude. Prefer younger guy (in dynasty), if both produce close to the same.

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Re: Dez vs Robbie Anderson

Postby UsualSuspects » Mon Dec 04, 2017 5:16 pm

Wow...Robbie Anderson tied up with Dez Bryant. Seems like 2 schools of thought going on in this thread.
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Re: Dez vs Robbie Anderson

Postby Phaded » Mon Dec 04, 2017 6:04 pm

I am all for selling Dez - but I believe that Anderson is not the asset to do it for.
Things will change for him.

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Re: Dez vs Robbie Anderson

Postby flashgordon12 » Mon Dec 04, 2017 6:27 pm

I don't really understand why people are so against Anderson. He was good last year, even better this year. Is it because he's on the Jets? If he were on a different team would people think differently about him. Food for thought.
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Re: Dez vs Robbie Anderson

Postby lukkynumber13 » Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:33 pm

flashgordon12 wrote: Mon Dec 04, 2017 6:27 pm I don't really understand why people are so against Anderson. He was good last year, even better this year. Is it because he's on the Jets? If he were on a different team would people think differently about him. Food for thought.
He's a really nice guy for an NFL-team but he will not be able to hold up to consistently getting popped. He's RAIL-thin. That's what turns me off a bit for Dynasty, I don't think he can ever keep up WR2 value (even tho he's been able to do it for the last several weeks)
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Re: Dez vs Robbie Anderson

Postby flashgordon12 » Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:53 pm

Chad Johnson was a featherweight of the same mold and he was an elite receiver for a long time. Desean Jackson is still playing, right? I don't think you have to be TO to have a long career as a receiver
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Re: Dez vs Robbie Anderson

Postby lukkynumber13 » Mon Dec 04, 2017 8:27 pm

flashgordon12 wrote: Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:53 pm Chad Johnson was a featherweight of the same mold and he was an elite receiver for a long time. Desean Jackson is still playing, right? I don't think you have to be TO to have a long career as a receiver
If he can be the next DJax, sure. But it's EXTREMELY rare that a WR who's only a deep threat gets to be a high-end WR2 for multiple seaons. If a team never uses you on slants and stuff because they can't risk your body exploding, you don't usually produce high-end numbers season after season.
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Re: Dez vs Robbie Anderson

Postby ColdZealDonkeyStrike » Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:15 am

lukkynumber13 wrote: Mon Dec 04, 2017 8:27 pm
flashgordon12 wrote: Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:53 pm Chad Johnson was a featherweight of the same mold and he was an elite receiver for a long time. Desean Jackson is still playing, right? I don't think you have to be TO to have a long career as a receiver
If he can be the next DJax, sure. But it's EXTREMELY rare that a WR who's only a deep threat gets to be a high-end WR2 for multiple seaons. If a team never uses you on slants and stuff because they can't risk your body exploding, you don't usually produce high-end numbers season after season.
I would recommend watching how he was used this past weekend. NYJ didn't seem worried about him going over the middle and going on short routes.

Also, it is conceivable that a guy like Anderson coming from Temple has more room to bulk up than a guy coming from Alabama, for example. Temple's weight training program is probably subpar for some High Schools in Alabama. I think that is why we have seen small school guys like Cam Meredith and Tyrell Williams bulk up in their first couple seasons after entering the league. I am not saying that he will necessarily bulk up to 215, but I don't think we should dismiss a WR who has height and speed based on his BMI early in his career.

I like what I have seen from Anderson, but I am wary of UDFAs. Even after they prove themselves, NFL teams seem pretty willing to kick them to the curve until they do it over an over again.
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Re: Dez vs Robbie Anderson

Postby BigBawseRoss » Tue Dec 05, 2017 5:53 am

Robson rules dez is fufu cool nicknames rule
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Re: Dez vs Robbie Anderson

Postby FiremanEd » Tue Dec 05, 2017 11:09 am

Shocking vote counts. I’m not sure if this signifies a buy low on Dez, sell high on Anderson, or a combination of both. Though the stats don’t show it I would definitely prefer Dez straight up. He is still a beast when given targets. Whether Dak gives them, and if they are any good, is another question, but I’m not sold on the Jets QB either, and think Dez > Anderson by a large margin on talent and ability.

I will definitely be shopping Robby when trading opens back up to see what the market is.


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