Trading for Theilan...wise, foolish, indifferent

[jimmychoi]

I’ve been searching for a consistent and productive receiver for my roster below, and I’ve been approached by the Theilan owner. Two questions.....what do you think of him dynasty wise, and the owner has asked for Engram and Corey Coleman. I’m not the best at gauging trade values, but this seems like an overpay....I might be off though because I didn’t consider trading for Theilan initially. Ty for the advice.

[Goddard]

I think he's a solid WR to have in dynasty, but that feels like a bit of an overpay. I think you should be able to get at least a 2nd in return.

[ColdZealDonkeyStrike]

Are you a top competitor without Thielen? It is probably an overpay by ADP, but I would be tempted if I were competing. I have come around on Thielen. I would be very happy having him as my WR2, especially if I have a few young guys developing behind him. Just know you will probably never be able to trade him for value, so you are stuck with him if you get him.

I would see if you can get a small piece back, maybe a late 2nd/ early 3rd or developmental WR in the Golladay/Godwin range.

[jimmychoi]

Are you a top competitor without Thielen? It is probably an overpay by ADP, but I would be tempted if I were competing. I have come around on Thielen. I would be very happy having him as my WR2, especially if I have a few young guys developing behind him. Just know you will probably never be able to trade him for value, so you are stuck with him if you get him.

I would see if you can get a small piece back, maybe a late 2nd/ early 3rd or developmental WR in the Golladay/Godwin range.

I am competing, but I’ve taken a hit with Hunt a Watson going down. Domery hold out and hope that Doctson, Coleman, or Davis develop?

[skip]

I like Thielen but I'd be hard pressed just to give up Coleman. No way would I throw in Engram so carelessly.

[lukkynumber13]

This really just comes down to what you think these players' futures will look like.

If Thielen continues at a similar pace to what he's currently doing, and you get 5 years of Doug Baldwin? Sign me up.

If Engram continues on HIS trajectory that he's displayed for most of the year, then you might have the next Kelce or Jimmy Graham. Coleman as well, might be next Brandin Cooks.

But Thielen has shown the most of these 3 players, and is young enough to be a force for another half-decade... both sides seem fair and attractive.

[lukkynumber13]

I like Thielen but I'd be hard pressed just to give up Coleman. No way would I throw in Engram so carelessly.

Coleman has in no way shown to be equal value for Thielen. Engram is no throw in here.

[Orenthal Shames]

I usually say the same things in these type of threads. Be honest with yourself. If Theilan make a you a legitimate top contender, not a "I ought to make the playoffs now" team, then go for it.

[dazza]

I like Thielen but I'd be hard pressed just to give up Coleman. No way would I throw in Engram so carelessly.

Agreed. Coleman's trade value is low at the moment due to injuries/situation, while Thielen's may never be higher. And Engram, if he continues to develop, is basically a WR you can start in your TE slot (though the injuries around him are also keeping his value down this year*). Hard to walk away if Thielen gives you a solid chance this year, but this seems like way too much

*I have a strong suspicion this is going to be argued, so here's why I say it: Marshall going down gave Engram opportunity. OBJ going down added target share, but also allowed defenses to focus pretty exclusively on Engram-especially when Shepard has also been out. Engram has likely earned a healthy target share moving forward, and when OBJ is back taking defensive focus, those will be much higher quality targets. Add in Engram's likely development, and his value only goes up from here

[BigBawseRoss]

indifferent but i like coleman and i like engram so i would only ship those 2 for him if i had another top TE and thought i could compete for a title now

[skip]

I like Thielen but I'd be hard pressed just to give up Coleman. No way would I throw in Engram so carelessly.

Coleman has in no way shown to be equal value for Thielen. Engram is no throw in here.

If this question were being asked about Corey Davis, you can be pretty certain that it would be a near unanimous response that no one with Davis would move him with Engram for Thielen (and probably not Davis by himself either). Coleman and Davis are in the exact same position as one another. But this isn't about the past (or present), it's about the future.

Thielen was healthy his first two years in the league with combined totals of 20-281-1. He basically came out of nowhere last season and has continued to perform well this season. Maybe he's a good long term bet at this point. If the Vikings decide to go back to Bridgewater this season (or next), I don't see that doing anything but having a negative impact on that entire offense.

By contrast, Coleman has missed 13 games thusfar in less than two years but produced better totals. He's also 4 years younger. His future production may be uncertain but I'm willing to gamble on his talent to ultimately produce very well as the #1 WR on Cleveland. If I'm a "win now" team, I'd probably make the move straight up for Thielen. I would not add in Engram to such a trade. But if I'm out of contention, I don't make the move at all.

[Goddard]

I like Thielen but I'd be hard pressed just to give up Coleman. No way would I throw in Engram so carelessly.

Coleman has in no way shown to be equal value for Thielen. Engram is no throw in here.

If this question were being asked about Corey Davis, you can be pretty certain that it would be a near unanimous response that no one with Davis would move him with Engram for Thielen (and probably not Davis by himself either). Coleman and Davis are in the exact same position as one another. But this isn't about the past (or present), it's about the future.

Thielen was healthy his first two years in the league with combined totals of 20-281-1. He basically came out of nowhere last season and has continued to perform well this season. Maybe he's a good long term bet at this point. If the Vikings decide to go back to Bridgewater this season (or next), I don't see that doing anything but having a negative impact on that entire offense.

By contrast, Coleman has missed 13 games thusfar in less than two years but produced better totals. He's also 4 years younger. His future production may be uncertain but I'm willing to gamble on his talent to ultimately produce very well as the #1 WR on Cleveland. If I'm a "win now" team, I'd probably make the move straight up for Thielen. I would not add in Engram to such a trade. But if I'm out of contention, I don't make the move at all.

To be fair, Davis was a much higher rated WR coming out than Coleman, and was the 1.01 for most people here. Coleman was at best the 1.02 in one of the worst draft classes coming out (at the time at least).

[dblj1199]

I'm passing on this. Your team needs as many high end players as possible. IF, and yes it's a big IF, Cleveland can get a qb, and IF Gordon can stay clean then they could be a very productive 1-2 punch. Colemans issue so far has been his health, he has produced, but has broken his hand twice. Engram has flashed, but with no weapons around him they can shut him down. I'd hold your guys for now.

[mabeibefunny]

While I can understand the point, I never found the logic of "he never produced before, so his production now isn't as credible". Sure, Coleman's pedigree keeps him in the conversation, but he is a guy that has been constantly dealing with injuries and on a horrible team and has so limited game time that it is hard to determine what he will perform like.

I certainly would love to have him as a potential breakout player on my roster, but I would be hard pressed to be convinced that his value is anywhere near a WR who has in 2 seasons shown great consistency and this year been second only to AB in yds. I think it is a great offer, one for a team that wants to win now, the other for 2 players that are showing great potential. In my mind, a great dynasty trade filling the needs of respective teams. There is, and should be, a premium for someone like Theilan who is producing right now, and brings immediate value, while players with questions are potentially an overpay if they blow up.

I'd trade Theilan for those two pieces, but it is a very close trade, I just happen to have the depth to support investing in potential players without losing a ton of points from Theilan. If I were making a run for playoffs and this trade might risk my championship run, I'd pass, since the whole point of this is to win.

[doctor d]

I don't think Engram and Thielen are that far off in value -- I really like both -- and I think Coleman is too much to make up the gap. I'd hold.