Thomas+ for Zeke

This is the place for team advice - should I make this trade, should I draft that player, etc.
hoos89
Legend
Legend
Posts: 5631
Joined: Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:53 pm

Thomas+ for Zeke

Postby hoos89 » Thu Nov 02, 2017 8:14 am

My team is currently a borderline playoff team (I'm currently 4-4 and in 7th place on a tiebreaker...6 teams make it). I don't really think I have a great chance of winning in the playoffs though, and would like to make a move to weaken my team in the short term.

Thinking of offering the following to a 7-1 team:

Give:
Michael Thomas
Jerick McKinnon

Receive:
Zeke

Does this seem reasonable for both sides? He'll need RB help with Zeke's suspension, and could also use another WR. I have a ton of WRs but no high level RBs. McKinnon is obviously the wildcard here: if he ends up landing in a good situation in free agency then I may end up losing this.
Team 1: 2012-2016
2013 Champion, 2012 Runner-Up


Team 2: 12 Team PPR - 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 R/W/T, 23 man rosters, est. 2016
2021 Champion, 2020 Runner-up
Tua, Purdy Geno, Carr
JT, Ekeler, Mostert, Javonte, Chuba, D. Harris, M. Carter, J. Hill, Spiller
Chase, AJB, Amon-Ra, Aiyuk, Olave, DJM, Dell
Andrews, McBride, Engram
IR(3): Chubb, M. Williams, Rodgers
Taxi(4): J. Palmer, Tolbert, T. Palmer
2024 Picks: 3, 4, 5

Team 3: 12 Team PPR, 6 pt Pass TD - 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 3 R/W/T, 28 man rosters, est. 2019
2021 Champion, 2022 Runner-up
Jackson, Love, Tannehill, Z. Wilson
Barkley, Mixon, Mostert, J. Wilson, CEH, Gaskin, J. Hill
J. Jefferson, Diggs, Waddle, Evans, Metcalf, Sutton, R. Moore, Slayton, Berrios, Carter, Dortch, Powell, Raymond
Kelce, Dissly, Hooper
2024 Picks: 1

User avatar
Spongehack
Pro Bowler
Pro Bowler
Posts: 1297
Joined: Tue May 27, 2014 2:38 pm

Re: Thomas+ for Zeke

Postby Spongehack » Thu Nov 02, 2017 9:06 am

I would need something much better than McKinnon to even think about this.
12 Team (2014 Champ, 2016 2nd, 2021 Champ) 1.0 PPR, 1.5 TE, Superflex, Start 9, 1-2 QB, 2-4 RB, 3-4 WR, 1-3 TE

QB - J. Hurts, M. Stafford, K. Cousins
RB - S. Barkley, D. Cook, E. Elliot, T. Pollard, A. Mattison
WR - D. Adams, DK Metcalf, A. Cooper, C. Ridley, R. Anderson, C. Davis, J. Jones
TE - M. Andrews, G. Kittle, M. Cox

User avatar
Jaguars8907
Role Player
Role Player
Posts: 411
Joined: Sat Jul 25, 2015 6:08 pm

Re: Thomas+ for Zeke

Postby Jaguars8907 » Thu Nov 02, 2017 9:39 am

The only way I would do this is in a redraft league. Not close for dynasty
0.5 PPR Scoring - 12 Team - Dynasty Kings
QB [Start 1] RB [1] WR [2] TE [1] FLEX [2] K [1] IDP [3]
2012 Silver
2017 Bronze
2018 Bronze
2019 Silver

Quarterbacks - Lamar Jackson, Philip Rivers, Gardner Minshew II
Running backs - Ezekiel Elliott, David Johnson, James Robinson, Darrell Henderson, Jamal Williams, Matt Breida, Darrel Williams, Frank Gore, Royce Freeman, Tony Pollard
Wide receivers - Odell Beckham, Allen Robinson, Keenan Allen, AJ Green, Denzel Mims, Hunter Renfrow, James Washington, Breshad Perriman
Tight ends - George Kittle, David Njoku, Gerald Everett, Drew Sample
Kickers - Wil Lutz
IDP - Myles Jack, Joe Schobert, Jaylon Smith, Kenneth Murray
Taxi Squad - Laviska Shenault, Devin Duvernay, Anthony McFarland, Deejay Dallas

RB6
Degenerate
Degenerate
Posts: 7636
Joined: Tue Sep 30, 2014 9:15 pm

Re: Thomas+ for Zeke

Postby RB6 » Thu Nov 02, 2017 9:55 am

Zeke all the way.
.5PPR 1Q/3W/2R/1T/1SF/2F
LJax, Burrow, Carr, Huntley, Heinicke, Cunningham
Adams, Kupp, Deebo, M Brown, Kirk, Wiliams, C Samuel, Palmer, E. Moore, Hodgins, Hutchinson
CMC, Barkley, Mostert, Ford, Moss, Dobbins, Dillon, Kelley, Tucker
Andrews, Higbee

PPR 1Q/3W/2R/1T/1SF/2F
Mahomes, Purdy, Dalton, Henicke, Trask, Zappe
Henry, Pacheco, Robinson, Wilson, Ford, Chandler, Deuce
Hill, Kupp, Shaheed, Toney, Lazard, Metchie, Mingo, Slayton, Shenault, Atwell, Hutchinson
Pitts, Waller, Washington

PPR Best Ball Dynasty SF .5TEP
Stroud, Cousins, Willis, Mariota, Cunningham
Walker, J Cook, Miller, Zamir, Rodriguez, Carter, Penny
St. Brown, Aiyuk, DJ Moore, London, Doubs, Metchie, Scott, Claypool
Kincaid, Dulcich, Fant, Turner, Hurst

hoos89
Legend
Legend
Posts: 5631
Joined: Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:53 pm

Re: Thomas+ for Zeke

Postby hoos89 » Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:31 am

How much would you add to the Thomas side? My feeling was that Thomas and Zeke weren't THAT far apart. I have Thomas at #11 overall and Zeke at #5 overall. I'll grant that in normal circumstances I would expect to add a fair bit more than McKinnon, but it seems like Zeke is about to serve a 6 game suspension so I think that puts Thomas and Zeke's value a bit closer, especially for a contender. I know people will say it's dynasty, but taking 6 games out of the current season has to hurt his value more than 0.
Team 1: 2012-2016
2013 Champion, 2012 Runner-Up


Team 2: 12 Team PPR - 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 R/W/T, 23 man rosters, est. 2016
2021 Champion, 2020 Runner-up
Tua, Purdy Geno, Carr
JT, Ekeler, Mostert, Javonte, Chuba, D. Harris, M. Carter, J. Hill, Spiller
Chase, AJB, Amon-Ra, Aiyuk, Olave, DJM, Dell
Andrews, McBride, Engram
IR(3): Chubb, M. Williams, Rodgers
Taxi(4): J. Palmer, Tolbert, T. Palmer
2024 Picks: 3, 4, 5

Team 3: 12 Team PPR, 6 pt Pass TD - 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 3 R/W/T, 28 man rosters, est. 2019
2021 Champion, 2022 Runner-up
Jackson, Love, Tannehill, Z. Wilson
Barkley, Mixon, Mostert, J. Wilson, CEH, Gaskin, J. Hill
J. Jefferson, Diggs, Waddle, Evans, Metcalf, Sutton, R. Moore, Slayton, Berrios, Carter, Dortch, Powell, Raymond
Kelce, Dissly, Hooper
2024 Picks: 1

DinoDynasty
All Pro
All Pro
Posts: 1613
Joined: Mon Nov 23, 2015 7:50 pm

Re: Thomas+ for Zeke

Postby DinoDynasty » Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:49 am

If Zeke's suspension is upheld I think this is a fair trade that helps both sides accomplish their goals. If he is 7-1, he gets a consistent top 10 WR and a stop gap running back. You get Zeke for the future. I think this is pretty fair.

FWIW, the Zeke owner in my league is 7-1 and just made this trade to move Zeke.

Give: Zeke
Receive: McCoy, Diggs

Personally, I have MT>Diggs, and given how old McCoy is not sure how much value he would retain after this year. So I would find this as a similar value as your trade to a contender.
2017 Champ, 2018 Runner-up, 2019 Champ, 2020 Champ, 2021 Runner-up
12 Team PPR
Stairway to Evans
QB: Hurts, Kirk, Bridgewater, Jimmy G
RB: CMC, Pollard, Foreman,
Sanders, Hill
WR: Kupp, Evans, Ridley, Dell, Josh Palmer, Hodgins, Osborn, Parker, MVS
TE: Kelce, Musgrave, Otton, Gray, Woods
DEF: Chicago Ravens
2024 2nd, 3rd, 4th

12 Team .5 PPR
Fields of Dreams
QB - Fields, Cousins, Wilson
RB - Taylor, Swift, Mixon, Pollard, Singelary, McLaughlin
WR - Olave, Tyreek, Tank Dell, Higgins, Gabriel Davis, E Moore, Mingo, Douglas
TE - Ferguson, Gray, Otton
DEF - 49ers, Pats
Picks 2024 2x1st, 3, 4

The Red Rooster
Player of the Year
Player of the Year
Posts: 2102
Joined: Mon Jun 06, 2016 5:55 pm

Re: Thomas+ for Zeke

Postby The Red Rooster » Thu Nov 02, 2017 11:02 am

Considering the suspension and that we play to win each year (which, sounds like your opponent as a legit shot at doing)...I think you are fine starting at your original offer and seeing what the response is.

User avatar
Goddard
GOAT
GOAT
Posts: 27771
Joined: Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:21 am

Re: Thomas+ for Zeke

Postby Goddard » Thu Nov 02, 2017 11:13 am

Spongehack wrote: Thu Nov 02, 2017 9:06 am I would need something much better than McKinnon to even think about this.
Agreed

hoos89
Legend
Legend
Posts: 5631
Joined: Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:53 pm

Re: Thomas+ for Zeke

Postby hoos89 » Thu Nov 02, 2017 1:55 pm

Jpalladino91 wrote: Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:49 am If Zeke's suspension is upheld I think this is a fair trade that helps both sides accomplish their goals. If he is 7-1, he gets a consistent top 10 WR and a stop gap running back. You get Zeke for the future. I think this is pretty fair.

FWIW, the Zeke owner in my league is 7-1 and just made this trade to move Zeke.

Give: Zeke
Receive: McCoy, Diggs

Personally, I have MT>Diggs, and given how old McCoy is not sure how much value he would retain after this year. So I would find this as a similar value as your trade to a contender.
The Zeke owner in my league needs another WR badly. His WR2 is ostensibly Emmanuel Sanders right now. I think this trade makes him the title favorite.

The trade in your league will be seen as way more value for Zeke by the community as a whole because McCoy is valued in the top 50. He does turn 30 after this season, but he could definitely have another season or two of high level production, which is where a big part of the value gap between him and McKinnon comes from, I think (plus he's way more proven). That said, McKinnon is a UFA after this season so it's not like he's guaranteed to disappear after this year, and I expect him to continue to have value. I think he's worth a late first to a contender right now, and if another team signs him this off-season and makes him their presumptive starter then I expect to see him jump into the top 40, but that's a big if at this point.
Team 1: 2012-2016
2013 Champion, 2012 Runner-Up


Team 2: 12 Team PPR - 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 R/W/T, 23 man rosters, est. 2016
2021 Champion, 2020 Runner-up
Tua, Purdy Geno, Carr
JT, Ekeler, Mostert, Javonte, Chuba, D. Harris, M. Carter, J. Hill, Spiller
Chase, AJB, Amon-Ra, Aiyuk, Olave, DJM, Dell
Andrews, McBride, Engram
IR(3): Chubb, M. Williams, Rodgers
Taxi(4): J. Palmer, Tolbert, T. Palmer
2024 Picks: 3, 4, 5

Team 3: 12 Team PPR, 6 pt Pass TD - 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 3 R/W/T, 28 man rosters, est. 2019
2021 Champion, 2022 Runner-up
Jackson, Love, Tannehill, Z. Wilson
Barkley, Mixon, Mostert, J. Wilson, CEH, Gaskin, J. Hill
J. Jefferson, Diggs, Waddle, Evans, Metcalf, Sutton, R. Moore, Slayton, Berrios, Carter, Dortch, Powell, Raymond
Kelce, Dissly, Hooper
2024 Picks: 1

User avatar
TB3falcons
Pro Bowler
Pro Bowler
Posts: 1305
Joined: Sun Mar 06, 2016 6:58 pm

Re: Thomas+ for Zeke

Postby TB3falcons » Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:12 pm

Send the offer. I think it could be close for a contender, but it depends on how he feels about his team.

I'd favor the Zeke side by a decent but fwiw.
16 Team PPR(.5 for RBs)/RetY/Balanced IDP League (QB,RB,2WR,TE,4FLX,PK,PN,DT,2DE,3LB,2CB,2S,1DFLX) 2018 & 2019 LC
QB- Mahomes, Ryan
RB- Gordon, Ingram, Swift, Gore, Hyde, Ogunbowale
WR- Hopkins, KAllen, Lockett, Golladay, Fitz, Edelman, MJones, Crowder, Cobb, Claypool, AGG, Miller (CHI), Humphries, Conley, David Moore, Demarcus Robinson, Gordon :boohoo:
TE- Olsen, Ian Thomas, Njoku
PK- Butker
PN- Cooke
DT- CJones, Ogunjobi, Kinlaw
DE- Hunter, DLaw, Young, Anderson, Turay
LB- Littleton, Mosley, D. Davis, Schobert, Bush, AJ Johnson, Walker, Evans, Burgess
CB- C Davis, Ward, Murphy-Bunting
S- JJ3, Walker, Williams, Rapp, Parks

Taxi: Oliver, Laird, Collier, Cominsky, Phillips, JAXWilliams, Harris, Willis


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Bing [Bot] and 32 guests