Reasonable Hyde offer?

[Goddard]

Gore for Mixon? Maybe some offer of Gore and Johnson for Hyde? All the same owner. Hyde and mixon for Johnson Gore and ebron? Just throwing out ideas that I have been mulling over.

Are you serious?

[norcalmill]

Hyde is way underrated. not only that but he's scheduled to be a free agent next year and should land in a good spot.

[mclilj]

I would offer Ebron straight up for his Hyde

if someone offered me this i would never trade with them again.... a bust te for a starting rb in a contract year that looks great so far? yeah...no

[mclilj]

I would offer Ebron straight up for his Hyde

if someone offered me this i would never trade with them again.... a bust te for a starting rb in a contract year that looks great so far? yeah...no

i should add that including Gore doesn't make it any better... just a waste of roster space.

[saw061600]

Taking quite the exception to Ebron is a "bust" commentary. Last year Ebron had 146pts in PPR (14th) while missing 3 games and only scoring an abnormal low for TE 1 TD. Over 16 games, figuring his average, he'd have scored 180 points which would have been TE 7. Add a few TDs to the norm 4-5 TE range and he's at 200 points, 4th best.

Hyde was 18th best back with 193 points, factor in games out, he should have scored around 256 which would have been good enough for 7th at RB. Of course, all things being equal, it's more likely a RB gets injured and has a shorter shelf life than a TE so, yeah, this isn't as crazy a trade as being made out.

[Gtdano_14]

Taking quite the exception to Ebron is a "bust" commentary. Last year Ebron had 146pts in PPR (14th) while missing 3 games and only scoring an abnormal low for TE 1 TD. Over 16 games, figuring his average, he'd have scored 180 points which would have been TE 7. Add a few TDs to the norm 4-5 TE range and he's at 200 points, 4th best.

Hyde was 18th best back with 193 points, factor in games out, he should have scored around 256 which would have been good enough for 7th at RB. Of course, all things being equal, it's more likely a RB gets injured and has a shorter shelf life than a TE so, yeah, this isn't as crazy a trade as being made out.

Unfortunately with this type of response, the easy answer is "that was last year" and Hyde has only increased his value this year and (young, starting) RBs are inherently more valuable than any TE outside of the elite couple. If we could bank everything on last year, DeMarco would command a mid 1st instead of a "2019 2nd" i saw in a different thread this morning. I agree that Ebron isn't a bust, but let's not kid ourselves and and say that if we did a startup right now, Hyde and Ebron would be taken within 3 rounds of each other.

[mclilj]

Taking quite the exception to Ebron is a "bust" commentary. Last year Ebron had 146pts in PPR (14th) while missing 3 games and only scoring an abnormal low for TE 1 TD. Over 16 games, figuring his average, he'd have scored 180 points which would have been TE 7. Add a few TDs to the norm 4-5 TE range and he's at 200 points, 4th best.

Hyde was 18th best back with 193 points, factor in games out, he should have scored around 256 which would have been good enough for 7th at RB. Of course, all things being equal, it's more likely a RB gets injured and has a shorter shelf life than a TE so, yeah, this isn't as crazy a trade as being made out.

Unfortunately with this type of response, the easy answer is "that was last year" and Hyde has only increased his value this year and (young, starting) RBs are inherently more valuable than any TE outside of the elite couple. If we could bank everything on last year, DeMarco would command a mid 1st instead of a "2019 2nd" i saw in a different thread this morning. I agree that Ebron isn't a bust, but let's not kid ourselves and and say that if we did a startup right now, Hyde and Ebron would be taken within 3 rounds of each other.

The other easy response is to point out the ridiculous number of assumptions you're making. facts are he scored 1 td and he's been oft injured. hyde is at worst an RB2 right now but if he stays healthy i think he'll crack the top 10 by seasons end. Ebron is a backup te in anything but very deep leagues or 2 te leagues.

[saw061600]

Edit: I probably shouldn't post immediately after driving through construction hell.
Well hot damn, I'm ridiculous. One says forget last year, the other says we should only worry about the injuries of the TE and not the RB in question and should forget all that silly bleep nonsense about positive regression. And forget that whole Zero RB strategy too, those analytics guys don't know crap.

So by this reasoning:
I'm dropping Zeke (he ain't done squat) and picking up Cohen.
I'm dropping Cam (sucks, overthrows targets etc.) and grabbing that young stud Siemien.
I'm also dropping Cooks and picking me up some study muffin Kearse.

Of course, a more reasoned response is that ADP is reflective of group perception, numbers can look good but be fluff, last year most certainly matters but situation does change, and we have a forum exactly because of all of the previous stated information. We look for what's coming up and try to benefit. If you aren't taking all this into account, don't bother coming on to the forum, just look up the guys on ADP and make your decisions from there.

For the record, I never said it was a great deal nor that either player was good or bad. Simply stated that Hyde's been injured as often as Ebron, RBs get injured more often, and implied (maybe needed to state more direct) that positive regression favors Ebron getting more TDs. It's not a crazy deal by the numbers but we all know that RB are viewed as having more value and that most certainly makes the RB side of better overall value.

[Gtdano_14]

Well hot damn, I'm ridiculous. One says forget last year, the other says we should only worry about the injuries of the TE and not the RB in question and should forget all that silly bleep nonsense about positive regression. And forget that whole Zero RB strategy too, those analytics guys don't know crap.

So by this reasoning:
I'm dropping Zeke (he ain't done squat) and picking up Cohen.
I'm dropping Cam (sucks, overthrows targets etc.) and grabbing that young stud Siemien.
I'm also dropping Cooks and picking me up some study muffin Kearse.

Of course, a more reasoned response is that ADP is reflective of group perception, numbers can look good but be fluff, last year most certainly matters but situation does change, and we have a forum exactly because of all of the previous stated information. We look for what's coming up and try to benefit. If you aren't taking all this into account, don't bother coming on to the forum, just look up the guys on ADP and make your decisions from there.

For the record, I never said it was a great deal nor that either player was good or bad. Simply stated that Hyde's been injured as often as Ebron, RBs get injured more often, and implied (maybe needed to state more direct) that positive regression favors Ebron getting more TDs. It's not a crazy deal by the numbers but we all know that RB are viewed as having more value and that most certainly makes the RB side of better overall value.

No need to let emotion get the best of us here. I never said last year doesn't matter. However, i felt citing last years stats isn't the best indicator two weeks into the current season where Hyde is currently boosting his value more than Ebron is.
I'll ignore the second paragraph as that is low hanging fruit.
I think we both agree Hyde is more valuable, I just feel he is way ahead of Ebron and a 1 for 1 trade isn't the best move, and adding Gore doesn't do much.
And i noticed you never said it was a great deal. I highlighted your last sentence which is a paraphrase of what I had said so we may have different methods, but we ended up on the same side. Have a good day!

[mclilj]

you two can hug and make up but it's still a crap deal :p

[psfox2010]

Ebron and Gore for Hyde is a laughable offer. It's terrible. I just traded Hyde/Maclin for Adams/2018 1st.

[jcc6fd]

I would offer Ebron straight up for his Hyde

if someone offered me this i would never trade with them again.... a bust te for a starting rb in a contract year that looks great so far? yeah...no

Adding this to my ammo of people actually calling 24 year old Ebron a bust. Hyde is worth more, but your hyperbole is ridculous.