Amari Cooper

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Amari Cooper

Postby Djg1996 » Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:27 pm

So after the 3 td drops last week and his vanishing act this week I'm now 0-2 and am going to be shipping him off. I've been waiting for this supposed "leap forward" from him but all I'm seeing is more of the same. My question is this. What should o expect to get out of him. I'm starting to doubt I can actually get anywhere near his adp value. Thoughts?
16 team .5 ppr 1 qb 1 rb 2 wr 1 te 1 flex 1 DST 1K $150 Cap
QB Marcus Mariota $24 R2
RB Mike Gillislee $10 R2 James White $1 U2 CJ Prosise $2 R1 Jonathan Stewart $2 U2
WR Mike Evans $43 R1 Amari Cooper $27 R2 Eric Decker $1 R2 Marvin Jones $1 U2 Chris Godwin $1 R2
TE Rob Gronkowski $31 R1 Jack Doyle $1 U1
K Cairo Santos $1
DST Bills $1

20 Team Dynasty 1 ppr 1 qb 1 rb 2 wr 1 te 1 flex 1 DST 1K. $150 Cap.
QB Russell WIlson $38 R2
RB Isaiah Crowell $11 U2 James White $4 U2 Marlon Mack $1 R2 Jalen Richard $1 U2
WR Odell Beckham $35 R1 Sammy Watkins $24 R2 Golden Tate $23 R1 Taywan Taylor $1 U2
TE Hunter Henry $1 R2
K Justin Tucker $1 U
DST Eagles $2

16 Team Dynasty Full PPR 1QB 1RB 2WR 1TE 1Flex K DST $150 Cap.
QB Marcus Mariota Josh McCown
RB Jay Ajayi Joe Mixon Theo Riddick James Connor Chris Carson
WR Amari Cooper Tyreek Hill Sammy Watkins Mohammed Sanu Taywan Taylor
TE Martellus Bennett Zach Miller
K Matt Prater
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Re: Amari Cooper

Postby scorpion » Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:34 pm

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RB: E. Elliot, J. Howard, L. Miller, C.J. Anderson, A. Kamara, D. Foreman, C. Carson
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Re: Amari Cooper

Postby HughHoney » Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:47 pm

Not shipping him off but very very overrated as a top 5-10 dynasty asset. Lotta people's crystal ball is broken.
12 Team, 24-man Roster, 3-man TS, PPR, 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 1 Flex (RB/WR/TE), 1 DEF

QB: Wilson, Cousins, T Taylor, Garoppolo, Kizer
RB: Da Johnson, Gordon, Gio, Kamara, J White, Breida, Dayes
WR: OBJ, Cooper, Watkins, D Thomas, Snead, John Brown, Kupp, Westbrook, Switzer
TE: Fiedorowitz, Cook, Hooper, Kittle
DEF: ARI
2018: 1st, 2nd, 2nd, 2nd, 3rd

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Re: Amari Cooper

Postby flyersfan1981 » Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:52 pm

HughHoney wrote:
Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:47 pm
Not shipping him off but very very overrated as a top 5-10 dynasty asset. Lotta people's crystal ball is broken.
Not mine!!

Mine is working just fine...

Okay Cooper fans, make your case (excuses)...

(Grabs popcorn and a Bells Two-Hearted)
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Gurley, JStew, West, Duke, Breida, Smallwood, Joe Williams
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Ajayi, Howard, Lacy, Gore, Mack, Elijah McGuire, Sproles, Hillman, Lasco, Turbin, Barner
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Re: Amari Cooper

Postby scorpion » Sun Sep 17, 2017 5:00 pm

But, but, but Cooper and Carr were roomies and practice together all.the.time. = greatness for Cooper.
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RB: E. Elliot, J. Howard, L. Miller, C.J. Anderson, A. Kamara, D. Foreman, C. Carson
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Re: Amari Cooper

Postby Djg1996 » Sun Sep 17, 2017 5:25 pm

I really think he's nothing more than a high end WR 2. The "perceived value" or potential is no where in line with his actual value. Everyone talking like he's worth 2 and 3 firsts alone need to ask themselves one question. Would you pay what you think or say he's worth? I most certainly would not.
16 team .5 ppr 1 qb 1 rb 2 wr 1 te 1 flex 1 DST 1K $150 Cap
QB Marcus Mariota $24 R2
RB Mike Gillislee $10 R2 James White $1 U2 CJ Prosise $2 R1 Jonathan Stewart $2 U2
WR Mike Evans $43 R1 Amari Cooper $27 R2 Eric Decker $1 R2 Marvin Jones $1 U2 Chris Godwin $1 R2
TE Rob Gronkowski $31 R1 Jack Doyle $1 U1
K Cairo Santos $1
DST Bills $1

20 Team Dynasty 1 ppr 1 qb 1 rb 2 wr 1 te 1 flex 1 DST 1K. $150 Cap.
QB Russell WIlson $38 R2
RB Isaiah Crowell $11 U2 James White $4 U2 Marlon Mack $1 R2 Jalen Richard $1 U2
WR Odell Beckham $35 R1 Sammy Watkins $24 R2 Golden Tate $23 R1 Taywan Taylor $1 U2
TE Hunter Henry $1 R2
K Justin Tucker $1 U
DST Eagles $2

16 Team Dynasty Full PPR 1QB 1RB 2WR 1TE 1Flex K DST $150 Cap.
QB Marcus Mariota Josh McCown
RB Jay Ajayi Joe Mixon Theo Riddick James Connor Chris Carson
WR Amari Cooper Tyreek Hill Sammy Watkins Mohammed Sanu Taywan Taylor
TE Martellus Bennett Zach Miller
K Matt Prater
DST Redskins

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Re: Amari Cooper

Postby Cameron Giles » Sun Sep 17, 2017 5:28 pm

I think you should be patient. Cooper is 23 years old and has back-to-back 1,000 yard seasons. He will get his. Selling low based on two games would be very dumb.

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Re: Amari Cooper

Postby HughHoney » Sun Sep 17, 2017 5:30 pm

flyersfan1981 wrote:
Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:52 pm
HughHoney wrote:
Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:47 pm
Not shipping him off but very very overrated as a top 5-10 dynasty asset. Lotta people's crystal ball is broken.
Not mine!!

Mine is working just fine...

Okay Cooper fans, make your case (excuses)...

(Grabs popcorn and a Bells Two-Hearted)
Not following this at all. Lol. Are you a fan or a critic?
12 Team, 24-man Roster, 3-man TS, PPR, 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 1 Flex (RB/WR/TE), 1 DEF

QB: Wilson, Cousins, T Taylor, Garoppolo, Kizer
RB: Da Johnson, Gordon, Gio, Kamara, J White, Breida, Dayes
WR: OBJ, Cooper, Watkins, D Thomas, Snead, John Brown, Kupp, Westbrook, Switzer
TE: Fiedorowitz, Cook, Hooper, Kittle
DEF: ARI
2018: 1st, 2nd, 2nd, 2nd, 3rd

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Re: Amari Cooper

Postby flyersfan1981 » Sun Sep 17, 2017 5:33 pm

HughHoney wrote:
Sun Sep 17, 2017 5:30 pm
flyersfan1981 wrote:
Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:52 pm
HughHoney wrote:
Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:47 pm
Not shipping him off but very very overrated as a top 5-10 dynasty asset. Lotta people's crystal ball is broken.
Not mine!!

Mine is working just fine...

Okay Cooper fans, make your case (excuses)...

(Grabs popcorn and a Bells Two-Hearted)
Not following this at all. Lol. Are you a fan or a critic?
Sorry...I have been a critic. Not of his game or anything on the field, just a critic of how overrated his value is here to his owners.

I like Cooper, but I like him at WR2 prices (where he should be valued) as opposed to the Top 5 dynasty prices his owners have been tricked to believing he can live up to.
#1-12 Team .5 PPR TE Premium (20-max)

Winston, Wentz
Ingram, Jones, Dalvin Cook, Rawls, Smallwood, McGuire
Evans, Keenan, Parker, Corey Davis, Lockett, Ty Williams
Ertz

#2-12 Team .5 PPR (25-max)

Rivers, Wilson
Gurley, JStew, West, Duke, Breida, Smallwood, Joe Williams
Nuk, Alshon, Sanders, Doctson, Crowder, Carroo, Carlos Henderson
Ertz, Kittle

#3 14-team PPR (27-max) Year 2

Ryan, Bridgewater
D. Martin, Howard, Tevin Coleman, J. White, Lacy, McGuire, Joe Williams, Breida, West, Aaron Jones (Chubb, Holyfield)
Alshon, ARob, MBryant, Britt, Boyd, Wright, Carroo, Chad Williams (Courtland Sutton, DK Metcalf)
Reed, Julius Thomas, Jesse James, Shaheen, D. Allen

#4 12-team PPR S-flex TE Prem

Wentz
Ajayi, Howard, Lacy, Gore, Mack, Elijah McGuire, Sproles, Hillman, Lasco, Turbin, Barner
OBJ, Hopkins, Alshon, John Brown, Stills, DGB, Britt, ArDarius, P Cooper, Justin Hunter, TWilliams
Brate, Green, D Allen, Higbee, Hodges, Anderson

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Re: Amari Cooper

Postby Djg1996 » Sun Sep 17, 2017 5:35 pm

flyersfan1981 wrote:
Sun Sep 17, 2017 5:33 pm
HughHoney wrote:
Sun Sep 17, 2017 5:30 pm
flyersfan1981 wrote:
Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:52 pm


Not mine!!

Mine is working just fine...

Okay Cooper fans, make your case (excuses)...

(Grabs popcorn and a Bells Two-Hearted)
Not following this at all. Lol. Are you a fan or a critic?
Sorry...I have been a critic. Not of his game or anything on the field, just a critic of how overrated his value is here to his owners.

I like Cooper, but I like him at WR2 prices (where he should be valued) as opposed to the Top 5 dynasty prices his owners have been tricked to believing he can live up to.
YES YES YES!! THIS^
16 team .5 ppr 1 qb 1 rb 2 wr 1 te 1 flex 1 DST 1K $150 Cap
QB Marcus Mariota $24 R2
RB Mike Gillislee $10 R2 James White $1 U2 CJ Prosise $2 R1 Jonathan Stewart $2 U2
WR Mike Evans $43 R1 Amari Cooper $27 R2 Eric Decker $1 R2 Marvin Jones $1 U2 Chris Godwin $1 R2
TE Rob Gronkowski $31 R1 Jack Doyle $1 U1
K Cairo Santos $1
DST Bills $1

20 Team Dynasty 1 ppr 1 qb 1 rb 2 wr 1 te 1 flex 1 DST 1K. $150 Cap.
QB Russell WIlson $38 R2
RB Isaiah Crowell $11 U2 James White $4 U2 Marlon Mack $1 R2 Jalen Richard $1 U2
WR Odell Beckham $35 R1 Sammy Watkins $24 R2 Golden Tate $23 R1 Taywan Taylor $1 U2
TE Hunter Henry $1 R2
K Justin Tucker $1 U
DST Eagles $2

16 Team Dynasty Full PPR 1QB 1RB 2WR 1TE 1Flex K DST $150 Cap.
QB Marcus Mariota Josh McCown
RB Jay Ajayi Joe Mixon Theo Riddick James Connor Chris Carson
WR Amari Cooper Tyreek Hill Sammy Watkins Mohammed Sanu Taywan Taylor
TE Martellus Bennett Zach Miller
K Matt Prater
DST Redskins

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Re: Amari Cooper

Postby HughHoney » Sun Sep 17, 2017 5:39 pm

flyersfan1981 wrote:
Sun Sep 17, 2017 5:33 pm
HughHoney wrote:
Sun Sep 17, 2017 5:30 pm
flyersfan1981 wrote:
Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:52 pm


Not mine!!

Mine is working just fine...

Okay Cooper fans, make your case (excuses)...

(Grabs popcorn and a Bells Two-Hearted)
Not following this at all. Lol. Are you a fan or a critic?
Sorry...I have been a critic. Not of his game or anything on the field, just a critic of how overrated his value is here to his owners.

I like Cooper, but I like him at WR2 prices (where he should be valued) as opposed to the Top 5 dynasty prices his owners have been tricked to believing he can live up to.
That's what I was saying. I drafted him, own him, and like him but think he's overrated. Think those that value him as top 5-10 are off.
12 Team, 24-man Roster, 3-man TS, PPR, 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 1 Flex (RB/WR/TE), 1 DEF

QB: Wilson, Cousins, T Taylor, Garoppolo, Kizer
RB: Da Johnson, Gordon, Gio, Kamara, J White, Breida, Dayes
WR: OBJ, Cooper, Watkins, D Thomas, Snead, John Brown, Kupp, Westbrook, Switzer
TE: Fiedorowitz, Cook, Hooper, Kittle
DEF: ARI
2018: 1st, 2nd, 2nd, 2nd, 3rd

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Re: Amari Cooper

Postby Djg1996 » Sun Sep 17, 2017 5:41 pm

Cameron Giles wrote:
Sun Sep 17, 2017 5:28 pm
I think you should be patient. Cooper is 23 years old and has back-to-back 1,000 yard seasons. He will get his. Selling low based on two games would be very dumb.
I wouldn't be selling low based on two games. He already has 2 seasons of play plus 2 games that have established his value. The general consensus is this guy is on the same tier as Evans, Beckham, Green, Jones, AB etc. He ain't. I'm suggesting trying to find an owner who still believes he's getting one of the best WRs in the NFL and acquire Coopers ADP value. A value that will certainly fall when he does nothing better than high end WR2 numbers again this year. So wht not find someone willing to sell the farm for him now?
16 team .5 ppr 1 qb 1 rb 2 wr 1 te 1 flex 1 DST 1K $150 Cap
QB Marcus Mariota $24 R2
RB Mike Gillislee $10 R2 James White $1 U2 CJ Prosise $2 R1 Jonathan Stewart $2 U2
WR Mike Evans $43 R1 Amari Cooper $27 R2 Eric Decker $1 R2 Marvin Jones $1 U2 Chris Godwin $1 R2
TE Rob Gronkowski $31 R1 Jack Doyle $1 U1
K Cairo Santos $1
DST Bills $1

20 Team Dynasty 1 ppr 1 qb 1 rb 2 wr 1 te 1 flex 1 DST 1K. $150 Cap.
QB Russell WIlson $38 R2
RB Isaiah Crowell $11 U2 James White $4 U2 Marlon Mack $1 R2 Jalen Richard $1 U2
WR Odell Beckham $35 R1 Sammy Watkins $24 R2 Golden Tate $23 R1 Taywan Taylor $1 U2
TE Hunter Henry $1 R2
K Justin Tucker $1 U
DST Eagles $2

16 Team Dynasty Full PPR 1QB 1RB 2WR 1TE 1Flex K DST $150 Cap.
QB Marcus Mariota Josh McCown
RB Jay Ajayi Joe Mixon Theo Riddick James Connor Chris Carson
WR Amari Cooper Tyreek Hill Sammy Watkins Mohammed Sanu Taywan Taylor
TE Martellus Bennett Zach Miller
K Matt Prater
DST Redskins

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Re: Amari Cooper

Postby Cameron Giles » Sun Sep 17, 2017 6:02 pm

Djg1996 wrote:
Sun Sep 17, 2017 5:41 pm
Cameron Giles wrote:
Sun Sep 17, 2017 5:28 pm
I think you should be patient. Cooper is 23 years old and has back-to-back 1,000 yard seasons. He will get his. Selling low based on two games would be very dumb.
I wouldn't be selling low based on two games. He already has 2 seasons of play plus 2 games that have established his value. The general consensus is this guy is on the same tier as Evans, Beckham, Green, Jones, AB etc. He ain't. I'm suggesting trying to find an owner who still believes he's getting one of the best WRs in the NFL and acquire Coopers ADP value. A value that will certainly fall when he does nothing better than high end WR2 numbers again this year. So wht not find someone willing to sell the farm for him now?
I don't think any one will tell you that Cooper is on the same level as OBJ, Green, Julio, or AB. However, this is DYNASTY. The ADP is not a reflection of how WR's are going to finish in points each season. A 23-year-old WR that has posted back-to-back 1,000 yard seasons is going to have his best case baked into his price. It'd be impossible not to include it. If you want to take advantage of that, go for it. However, I think it's very risky because of his talent and skill level. I don't think you'll acquire a player(s) with less questions.

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Re: Amari Cooper

Postby pierson242 » Mon Sep 18, 2017 3:57 am

Cameron Giles wrote:
Sun Sep 17, 2017 6:02 pm
Djg1996 wrote:
Sun Sep 17, 2017 5:41 pm
Cameron Giles wrote:
Sun Sep 17, 2017 5:28 pm
I think you should be patient. Cooper is 23 years old and has back-to-back 1,000 yard seasons. He will get his. Selling low based on two games would be very dumb.
I wouldn't be selling low based on two games. He already has 2 seasons of play plus 2 games that have established his value. The general consensus is this guy is on the same tier as Evans, Beckham, Green, Jones, AB etc. He ain't. I'm suggesting trying to find an owner who still believes he's getting one of the best WRs in the NFL and acquire Coopers ADP value. A value that will certainly fall when he does nothing better than high end WR2 numbers again this year. So wht not find someone willing to sell the farm for him now?
I don't think any one will tell you that Cooper is on the same level as OBJ, Green, Julio, or AB. However, this is DYNASTY. The ADP is not a reflection of how WR's are going to finish in points each season. A 23-year-old WR that has posted back-to-back 1,000 yard seasons is going to have his best case baked into his price. It'd be impossible not to include it. If you want to take advantage of that, go for it. However, I think it's very risky because of his talent and skill level. I don't think you'll acquire a player(s) with less questions.
Exactly this, hes 23 plays with Carr is a high powered offense with back to back 1000 yard seasons, his time will come
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Re: Amari Cooper

Postby Rams Fan » Mon Sep 18, 2017 5:03 am

Either get a top tier price for him (which some will still pay) or appreciate him for what he is despite his ADP and I think you will be happy. Great player, good situation and an amazing WR2.
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1QB, 2RB, 2WR, 2FLEX, 1OP, 1TE, 1K, 1Def
QB: Ryan, Dalton, Cutler
RB: Zeke, CJA, D Murray, Ware, Hill, E McGuire
WR: OBJ, AJG, Hilton, Fitz, Tyrell Williams, Jamison Crowder, M Mitchell, T Taylor, Decker
TE: Gronk, Rudolph
K: Bryant
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QB: Wentz (4 years) Manning(2 years), Big Ben, Tannehill(2 years)
RB: Freeman(2 years), Fournette(3 years), Hyde (2 years) Lacy, Riddick, Yeldon, E McGuire
WR: Cooper(4 years), (NO) Thomas(3 years), D Thomas (2years), Landry(2 years), DeSean Jackson, Wallace, Perriman, Lockett(2 years), Gabriel, Robby Anderson, Beasley, Godwin, K. Williams
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