Cooper/Mixon - Arob/MWilliams

[nosferatu]

I give: Cooper, Mixon, 2019 2nd
I get: Arob, Mike Williams, (2) 2018 mid-late 1sts, 2018 2nd, 2019 1st

Team B in sig. Arob owner is pushing to win now. He really wants a replacement and is trying to acquire Cooper from me. I'm not really feeling this trade. I'm losing two players I prefer for some late 1sts and trading away my future at RB. I'm new to dynasty so I'm struggling with the concept of being paid to give away players you like. Took over this team to force myself to learn to trade. Thanks for any advice!

Edit: Team I'm trading with who's perhaps worse than I originally think:

QB: Luck, Manning
RB: Fournette, Miller, Henry, Kamara, Foreman, Conner, West
WR: ARob, Watkins, Coleman, Williams, Maclin, Funchess, Boyd, Agholor, Rogers, Holmes, Bellamy
TE: Walker, Swoope

[Goddard]

I'd pass. In a rebuild, you should be building around Cooper and Mixon, not trading them away. As much as I like Arob, the rest of the pieces aren't enough.

[flyersfan1981]

I give: Cooper, Mixon, 2019 2nd
I get: Arob, Mike Williams, (2) 2018 mid-late 1sts, 2018 2nd, 2019 1st

Team B in sig. Arob owner is pushing to win now. He really wants a replacement and is trying to acquire Cooper from me. I'm not really feeling this trade. I'm losing two players I prefer for some late 1sts and trading away my future at RB. I'm new to dynasty so I'm struggling with the concept of being paid to give away players you like. Took over this team to force myself to learn to trade. Thanks for any advice!

I would strongly consider this one given the rebuilding project you have in front of you. I mean this deal would give you 4 1sts in 2018 and help your team get closer to each top 3 pick where you can get one of Barkley, Guice, or Sutton.

I would just as rather build my team around a guy like ARob compared to Cooper. I mean ARob has at least proven he can be a WR1. I don't see a reason to build a team around a WR2 (very good high end WR2) personally. Did you see the game last week? How long will Carr have confidence in him when he is dropping balls?

Having 4 1sts in 2018 will give you a ton of flexibility to make moves. Mixon has some upside, but you can find similar upside with those picks next year with 3 good RBs in Barkley, Guice, and Chubb. Plus some dark horse like Freeman and Ballage.

I would definitely jump on this deal if I were you, but that's because I am a realist when it comes to what Cooper actually is and can be in this league. His upside is slightly better than Marquess Colston, solid WR2 with some good games as a WR1.

[flyersfan1981]

ARob/2018 1st/2019 1st >= Cooper/2019 2nd
Williams/2018 1st/2018 2nd = Mixon

Then you can purge the rest of your players that don't fit your rebuild...maybe package Stewart/2018 2nd for another 2018 1st if he keeps producing. I would be looking to sell Shepard also for 2018 draft capital.

[tperry14]

I would pass on this one, Mixon and Cooper should be the core of this rebuild in my opinion

[CK_]

Cooper is a tad bit overrated at his current ADP so seems worthwhile to trade away for this future 2018 class and also receive Arob. Could you trade someone other than Mixon if this guy is in win now? That would allow you to keep your main core still with say Arob, Mixon, Williams, and 3 2018 1sts. That would seem much better for essentially Cooper + a win now RB and a 2019 2nd.

Guy seems desperate to give up that much so take a chance and see if you can do someone other than Mixon.

[Spongehack]

I'm sorry but mid to late firsts and a 2019 first just doesn't interest me if that means losing Cooper and Mixon. You will regret trading either down the line.

[MockGM]

I would pass on this one, Mixon and Cooper should be the core of this rebuild in my opinion

Agree, those two should be the building blocks of a rebuild. Not worth getting a bunch of question marks back in return and inevitably prolonging your rebuild.

[flyersfan1981]

I would pass on this one, Mixon and Cooper should be the core of this rebuild in my opinion

Agree, those two should be the building blocks of a rebuild. Not worth getting a bunch of question marks back in return and inevitably prolonging your rebuild.

Is ARob a question mark any more than Cooper? If ARob didn't go down with the ACL he and Cooper would (or should be) valued about the same. ARob is going to be a free agent next year which means he gets away from Bortles. Next year ARob and Cooper will go back to being the same player. Williams/3 firsts is pretty good value for Mixon, a guy with some risks associated.

Declining this deal just means the rebuild will take longer IMO as the team isn't bad enough this year and isn't good enough either so his pick will be middle of the road and won't nab any of the elite players.

[nosferatu]

Wow, pretty split opinions here. My plan has been to build around Cooper/Mixon. I do feel Cooper is a bit over rated (he dropped what 3 tds in a row last week), but he's still very young and locked in as the #1 of an emerging offense. I like ARob, but his short-midterm situation is not looking good. If Jacksonville franchise tags him next year, he's in for another year of crappy QB play. I drafted Mixon over MWilliams pre injury so that tells you how I feel about the two.

I'll see if he'd be interested in dropping Mixon out of the deal. Based on this deal, something like -

I give: Cooper
I get: ARob, 2018 1st, 2019 1st

[nosferatu]

One other piece of information. Perhaps I'm over stating the quality of his team. He's maybe middle of the pack.

QB: Luck, Manning
RB: Fournette, Miller, Henry, Kamara, Foreman, Conner, West
WR: ARob, Watkins, Coleman, Williams, Maclin, Funchess, Boyd, Agholor, Rogers, Holmes, Bellamy
TE: Walker, Swoope

[flyersfan1981]

Wow, pretty split opinions here. My plan has been to build around Cooper/Mixon. I do feel Cooper is a bit over rated (he dropped what 3 tds in a row last week), but he's still very young and locked in as the #1 of an emerging offense. I like ARob, but his short-midterm situation is not looking good. If Jacksonville franchise tags him next year, he's in for another year of crappy QB play. I drafted Mixon over MWilliams pre injury so that tells you how I feel about the two.

I'll see if he'd be interested in dropping Mixon out of the deal. Based on this deal, something like -

I give: Cooper
I get: ARob, 2018 1st, 2019 1st

If you can pull that off then great, but if not I am very happy with the original deal. Your roster is in purgatory right now for 2017. Middle of the road, no chance to win...no chance to get a top 3 pick. Passing on this deal...then what do you do with Stewart? Keep him and try and make a run...he gets hurt often and is healthy now...

Maybe try swapping him in for Mixon and dropping the 2019 1st/2018 2nd on his end.

[MockGM]

I would pass on this one, Mixon and Cooper should be the core of this rebuild in my opinion

Agree, those two should be the building blocks of a rebuild. Not worth getting a bunch of question marks back in return and inevitably prolonging your rebuild.

Is ARob a question mark any more than Cooper? If ARob didn't go down with the ACL he and Cooper would (or should be) valued about the same. ARob is going to be a free agent next year which means he gets away from Bortles. Next year ARob and Cooper will go back to being the same player. Williams/3 firsts is pretty good value for Mixon, a guy with some risks associated.

Declining this deal just means the rebuild will take longer IMO as the team isn't bad enough this year and isn't good enough either so his pick will be middle of the road and won't nab any of the elite players.

I think Robinson is absolutely a bigger question mark than Cooper. Cooper is 23, healthy and locked into a high powered offense with an extremely competent QB. "If ARob didn't go down with the ACL" is a big "if" to overlook now. Will he bounce back from injury? Will he remain in JAX? If he leaves JAX does he go to a team with a competent QB? ARob, at least to me is a huge question mark and not the centerpiece of a deal where I'd be giving up Cooper.

[nosferatu]

Agree, those two should be the building blocks of a rebuild. Not worth getting a bunch of question marks back in return and inevitably prolonging your rebuild.

Is ARob a question mark any more than Cooper? If ARob didn't go down with the ACL he and Cooper would (or should be) valued about the same. ARob is going to be a free agent next year which means he gets away from Bortles. Next year ARob and Cooper will go back to being the same player. Williams/3 firsts is pretty good value for Mixon, a guy with some risks associated.

Declining this deal just means the rebuild will take longer IMO as the team isn't bad enough this year and isn't good enough either so his pick will be middle of the road and won't nab any of the elite players.

I think Robinson is absolutely a bigger question mark than Cooper. Cooper is 23, healthy and locked into a high powered offense with an extremely competent QB. "If ARob didn't go down with the ACL" is a big "if" to overlook now. Will he bounce back from injury? Will he remain in JAX? If he leaves JAX does he go to a team with a competent QB? ARob, at least to me is a huge question mark and not the centerpiece of a deal where I'd be giving up Cooper.

Right but at what point do you have to take the value? What if the deal is:

Cooper/Mixon for ARob/MWilliams, (2) 2018 1sts, 2018 2nd, 2019 1st, 2019 2nd

[flyersfan1981]

It is an ACL...he will be 100% next year. Not a question mark after 2017 IMO. Amazing that dropping 3 TD passes in a row isn't a concern.