1.02 + what for M Thomas

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1.02 + what for M Thomas

Postby mclilj » Thu Aug 10, 2017 4:30 pm

For team 2 I'm wondering what a fair trade is involving 1.02 + for M Thomas. I don't really want to move him but I could really use another young rb, given what I have at wr. Would love to use Landry to move into the top 5 but that may not be an option.
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QBs: Mahomes, Wentz, Lock, Carr, Mariota
WRs: MThomas, DAdams, ACooper, OBJ, Kupp, RAnderson, Renfro, Shepherd, Agholor, JMeyers
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Re: 1.02 + what for M Thomas

Postby Goddard » Thu Aug 10, 2017 4:38 pm

Can't really answer this without knowing the other roster.

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Re: 1.02 + what for M Thomas

Postby jonf86 » Thu Aug 10, 2017 5:12 pm

If it were me, I'd need two 2017 top five picks to consider it. What's the rush to move Thomas though? Your running backs should be okay this year and then Henry should take over next year. The rest of your team is very good. I say hold unless blown away by an offer.
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Re: 1.02 + what for M Thomas

Postby flyersfan1981 » Thu Aug 10, 2017 5:21 pm

jonf86 wrote: Thu Aug 10, 2017 5:12 pm If it were me, I'd need two 2017 top five picks to consider it. What's the rush to move Thomas though? Your running backs should be okay this year and then Henry should take over next year. The rest of your team is very good. I say hold unless blown away by an offer.
Two top five picks??? Just to consider it???

I suppose we should start clearing a spot for him in Canton after his rookie year...

Jokes aside, I would take anything on top of 1.02 and feel quite good about it.
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Re: 1.02 + what for M Thomas

Postby dblj1199 » Thu Aug 10, 2017 5:26 pm

I'd look to package the 1.8 along with something else to move up to the top 3-4 picks and hold Thomas. Say the 1.8 and Landry and see what happens.
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Re: 1.02 + what for M Thomas

Postby stigskol » Thu Aug 10, 2017 6:03 pm

I traded away M. Thomas. He is going to be really good/is really good... but I got an offer that I worked out that I couldn't refuse. I traded away M.Thomas for Allen Robinson, a 2018 first round , 2 2018 seconds and a 2019 1. Yeah.. it would have to be someone like copper or Robinson to pry me from him.
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Re: 1.02 + what for M Thomas

Postby jonf86 » Thu Aug 10, 2017 6:29 pm

flyersfan1981 wrote: Thu Aug 10, 2017 5:21 pm
jonf86 wrote: Thu Aug 10, 2017 5:12 pm If it were me, I'd need two 2017 top five picks to consider it. What's the rush to move Thomas though? Your running backs should be okay this year and then Henry should take over next year. The rest of your team is very good. I say hold unless blown away by an offer.
Two top five picks??? Just to consider it???

I suppose we should start clearing a spot for him in Canton after his rookie year...

Jokes aside, I would take anything on top of 1.02 and feel quite good about it.
At 1.02, you're going to get someone like Davis. Thomas had an exceptional rookie season and he's in a great offense. What's the point of trading him for a player like Davis unless there's a significant piece added to it? Why even bother taking the risk?
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WR: J.J. Smith-Schuster, R. Woods, L. Fitzgerald, J. Nelson, M. Gallup R. Switzer, B. Berrios, C. Batson, R. Higgins, J. Kearse
TE: G. Kittle, I. Thomas, J Doyle, W. Dissly, J. Leggett, J. Gresham, T. Conklin
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TE: D. Njoku, H. Henry, C. Herndon, G. Everett, I. Thomas, J. Leggett, W. Dissly
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Re: 1.02 + what for M Thomas

Postby Bisquiteen Trisket » Thu Aug 10, 2017 6:41 pm

jonf86 wrote: Thu Aug 10, 2017 6:29 pm
flyersfan1981 wrote: Thu Aug 10, 2017 5:21 pm
jonf86 wrote: Thu Aug 10, 2017 5:12 pm If it were me, I'd need two 2017 top five picks to consider it. What's the rush to move Thomas though? Your running backs should be okay this year and then Henry should take over next year. The rest of your team is very good. I say hold unless blown away by an offer.
Two top five picks??? Just to consider it???

I suppose we should start clearing a spot for him in Canton after his rookie year...

Jokes aside, I would take anything on top of 1.02 and feel quite good about it.
At 1.02, you're going to get someone like Davis. Thomas had an exceptional rookie season and he's in a great offense. What's the point of trading him for a player like Davis unless there's a significant piece added to it? Why even bother taking the risk?
this is my thinking as well. Proven talent in a good situation. Why gamble? Plus, his value is currently that high, as he is being drafted in the first round of start ups.

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Re: 1.02 + what for M Thomas

Postby flyersfan1981 » Thu Aug 10, 2017 8:34 pm

jonf86 wrote: Thu Aug 10, 2017 6:29 pm
flyersfan1981 wrote: Thu Aug 10, 2017 5:21 pm
jonf86 wrote: Thu Aug 10, 2017 5:12 pm If it were me, I'd need two 2017 top five picks to consider it. What's the rush to move Thomas though? Your running backs should be okay this year and then Henry should take over next year. The rest of your team is very good. I say hold unless blown away by an offer.
Two top five picks??? Just to consider it???

I suppose we should start clearing a spot for him in Canton after his rookie year...

Jokes aside, I would take anything on top of 1.02 and feel quite good about it.
At 1.02, you're going to get someone like Davis. Thomas had an exceptional rookie season and he's in a great offense. What's the point of trading him for a player like Davis unless there's a significant piece added to it? Why even bother taking the risk?
Well to be clear, I haven't wavered on this debate all off-season. I would prefer Davis, and that was even before the draft. Since he was drafted, I like Davis even more. He also has a good situation, and an excellent QB, but his QB is much, much younger. How will MT do without Cooks on the field when he is the WR1? See where I am going with this? Situations change in the NFL...there are not many WRs taken in the top-10 that bust as long as they are healthy. But acting like MT doesn't have any risks for a sophomore slump (just like ARob after his breakout) would be burying your head in the sand.

IF you treat your team like stocks, you likely bought MT for a lot less than he is worth now, so selling him for much more is always a good strategy. I like MT, and to be fair, Davis is the only WR in this class I like more than him, but if I can get a guy I like more, plus anything else, then I am jumping on it!
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Re: 1.02 + what for M Thomas

Postby jonf86 » Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:15 pm

flyersfan1981 wrote: Thu Aug 10, 2017 8:34 pm
jonf86 wrote: Thu Aug 10, 2017 6:29 pm
flyersfan1981 wrote: Thu Aug 10, 2017 5:21 pm

Two top five picks??? Just to consider it???

I suppose we should start clearing a spot for him in Canton after his rookie year...

Jokes aside, I would take anything on top of 1.02 and feel quite good about it.
At 1.02, you're going to get someone like Davis. Thomas had an exceptional rookie season and he's in a great offense. What's the point of trading him for a player like Davis unless there's a significant piece added to it? Why even bother taking the risk?
Well to be clear, I haven't wavered on this debate all off-season. I would prefer Davis, and that was even before the draft. Since he was drafted, I like Davis even more. He also has a good situation, and an excellent QB, but his QB is much, much younger. How will MT do without Cooks on the field when he is the WR1? See where I am going with this? Situations change in the NFL...there are not many WRs taken in the top-10 that bust as long as they are healthy. But acting like MT doesn't have any risks for a sophomore slump (just like ARob after his breakout) would be burying your head in the sand.

IF you treat your team like stocks, you likely bought MT for a lot less than he is worth now, so selling him for much more is always a good strategy. I like MT, and to be fair, Davis is the only WR in this class I like more than him, but if I can get a guy I like more, plus anything else, then I am jumping on it!
But what if we treat Davis like a stock? If we're buying him at the value of MT and expecting him to maintain or surpass it, I wouldn't characterize that as smart trading. You're assuming so much risk for such little gain.

But, fair enough, you like Davis, I like MT. We each have our preference, but I don't think you can argue that the majority of people have MT as the more valuable asset. Not that dynasty ranking sites/lists are some be all and end all, but I'm not sure I've seen one that has Davis as the higher ranked player. So, if you think Davis is a can't miss prospect, by all means go for it. For the OP, I'd suggest either holding onto MT and trading for a draft pick with other assets or trading MT, but demanding more in return than just the 1.02. If you trade MT for the 1.02, your not maximizing his current value even if you think Davis is the better player.
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Re: 1.02 + what for M Thomas

Postby Fantasy>>>Reality » Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:17 pm

dblj1199 wrote: Thu Aug 10, 2017 5:26 pm I'd look to package the 1.8 along with something else to move up to the top 3-4 picks and hold Thomas. Say the 1.8 and Landry and see what happens.
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Re: 1.02 + what for M Thomas

Postby Demolissionary » Thu Aug 10, 2017 10:56 pm

Get Cory Davis plus a TE for MT. Brees is about done and Mariota has a long career ahead of him.

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Re: 1.02 + what for M Thomas

Postby ColdZealDonkeyStrike » Thu Aug 10, 2017 11:46 pm

I would trade Thomas for any non-negligible piece (2nd rnd value or higher) on top of 1.02/Davis. Aim high and ask for a mid-late 1st or similar valued player.
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Re: 1.02 + what for M Thomas

Postby mclilj » Fri Aug 11, 2017 5:56 am

Goddard wrote: Thu Aug 10, 2017 4:38 pm Can't really answer this without knowing the other roster.
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WR Sammy, Decker, Keenan Allen, D Paker, Pryor, C Coleman, Crowder, M Wallace, T Benjamin, Hurns, Thielen
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RBs: Gurley, Cook, Lindsay, Henry, Lewis, Hyde, Murray
WRs: Hill, Cooper, ARobinson, Sutton, Fitzgerald, TSmith(NO), Parker, Cain
TEs: Kelce, Burton, Engram
Def: Rams
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Team 2:
2QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 2WRT 1PPR 8TEAMS
QBs: Mahomes, Wentz, Lock, Carr, Mariota
WRs: MThomas, DAdams, ACooper, OBJ, Kupp, RAnderson, Renfro, Shepherd, Agholor, JMeyers
RBs: Mixon, Henry, Drake, JK Dobbins, Akers, Howard, McKinnon, Hyde, Pollard, DThompson
TEs: Waller, Engram, Graham, Eifert
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Re: 1.02 + what for M Thomas

Postby mclilj » Fri Aug 11, 2017 6:05 am

Bisquiteen Trisket wrote: Thu Aug 10, 2017 6:41 pm
jonf86 wrote: Thu Aug 10, 2017 6:29 pm
flyersfan1981 wrote: Thu Aug 10, 2017 5:21 pm

Two top five picks??? Just to consider it???

I suppose we should start clearing a spot for him in Canton after his rookie year...

Jokes aside, I would take anything on top of 1.02 and feel quite good about it.
At 1.02, you're going to get someone like Davis. Thomas had an exceptional rookie season and he's in a great offense. What's the point of trading him for a player like Davis unless there's a significant piece added to it? Why even bother taking the risk?
this is my thinking as well. Proven talent in a good situation. Why gamble? Plus, his value is currently that high, as he is being drafted in the first round of start ups.
I agree with this sentiment, I'd stick with M Thomas over Davis but I was never considering Davis at 1.02. Right now I'm going to be sitting one of Landry or M Bryant every week so the point was too move Thomas to get one of Fournette/CMC/Mixon. Although I do have Henry having one more nice young rb would be awesome and I don't think I'd need to do much at all for this team. Would love to move Landry instead but don't you think Landry plus 1.08 for a top 5 is an overpay I could just sit and try and grab hunt at 1.08. Other problem with Landry is he just seems to be undervalued... 1.02 owner said "he doesn't excite me".
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Team 2:
2QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 2WRT 1PPR 8TEAMS
QBs: Mahomes, Wentz, Lock, Carr, Mariota
WRs: MThomas, DAdams, ACooper, OBJ, Kupp, RAnderson, Renfro, Shepherd, Agholor, JMeyers
RBs: Mixon, Henry, Drake, JK Dobbins, Akers, Howard, McKinnon, Hyde, Pollard, DThompson
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