Hyde vs Miller

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Lamar Miller - improves team
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Carlos Hyde - unnecessary sideways move
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30%
 
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Hyde vs Miller

Postby snaps06 » Wed Aug 09, 2017 9:53 am

I've been offered Lamar Miller for Carlos Hyde straight up for team 1 in my sig. I'm not high on Miller, and Shanahan being in SF intrigues me when it comes to Hyde. I'm wondering if this move improves my team, or if it's simply a sideways move that is over-tinkering.

Thoughts?
Team 1: 12-Team Standard 28-man Rosters 23 Keepers 2016 and 2017 3rd Place :wall:
QB RB RB WR WR TE Flex Flex D/ST K

QB-Stafford, Flacco

RB-Miller, Crowell, CJA, Gio Bernard, Duke Jr., Hood, M. Brown, Joe Williams

WR-Julio, Dez, K. Allen, Amari, Maclin, J-Matt, Doctson, Carroo, Wallace, JJ Nelson, White

TE-Walker, Henry, Ebron

2018 Picks: 1.10, 1.11, 3.10, 4.10, 5.10
2019 Picks: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5

Team 2: 12-Team Standard 19-man Rosters 16 Keepers 2017 Runner-Up :boohoo:
QB RB RB WR WR TE Flex D/ST K

QB-Stafford, Rivers

RB-L. Bell, Zeke, Hyde, Duke Jr., Prosise, Conner, Alf Morris

WR-Hopkins, Cooks, Sammy, K. White, Robert Woods, Mike Williams

TE-Henry, Ebron

2018 Picks: 3.11
2019 Picks: 2, 3

Team 3: 14-Team Superflex/Full PPR/0.25 per rush/22 keepers/4 taxi
QB RB RB WR WR TE Flex Flex Flex Superflex
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Re: Hyde vs Miller

Postby jmsieglaff » Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:14 am

Miller side for me. Can't things only improve after the disaster that was a Brock Osweiler lead offense?
Dynasty 12-team; 15 roster slots; Keep 10 players--deadline late July--draft late August--1QB, 2RB, 2WR, 1 FLEX, 1TE, 1K; Generally standard scoring (0.2 ppr)
QB: Rodgers
RB: L. Bell ,L. Miller, C. Hyde, CJ Anderson
WR: A. Brown, Nuk, M. Jones, D. Funchess
TE: T. Kelce
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2018: 3 4ths, 2 5ths
2019: 2nd, 3rd, 5th
2020: 2 1sts, 2 2nds, 3rd, 4th, 5th
2021: 2 1sts, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th

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Re: Hyde vs Miller

Postby RB6 » Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:19 am

Miller. Better team and Hyde has major durability questions.
Team 1
12 Team Non-PPR: 1QB 3WR 2RB 1TE 1Flex
QB: Wilson, Dalton
WR: OBJ, Nuk, Keenan, Watkins, Parker, Snead, Maclin, Ty. Williams, Cole
RB: Gurley, Freeman, Crowell, Duke, Burkhead, Darkwa, Breida, Barber, Dixon, Joe Williams
TE: Ebron, ASJ, Witten, Fiedorowicz, Burton

Team 2
10 Team Devy Non-PPR: 1QB 3WR 2RB 1TE 1Flex 5Taxi
QB: Wilson, Luck, Dalton
WR: Arob, Thielen, Davis, Sammy, Marvin, Woods, Parker, Coleman, Meredith, Richardson, Cole, Henderson
RB: Zeke, Kamara, Foreman, Carson, McGuire, Ekeler, Ja. Williams, Davis, Barber, Dixon
TE: Njoku, Everett, Jonnu
Taxi: Barkley, Guice, Washington, ESB, Ballage

Team 3
12 Team .5 PPR 1QB 3WR 2RB 1TE 2Flex
QB: Winston, Bortles, Darnold, Allen
WR: Nuk, AB, Baldwin, Shepard, Doctson, Martavis, Allison, Maclin, Treadwell, Braxton, Malone
RB: Zeke, DJ, Ajayi, Crowell, Carson, Powell, McGuire, Dixon, Prosise, Bo, Kelley, Darkwa
TE: Olsen, Eifert, Ebron, Kroft

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Re: Hyde vs Miller

Postby jwb32 » Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:21 am

Not sure Miller is much of an improvement over Hyde, but I think he is safer.
TEAM 1: 12 team league. 0.5 ppr.
Start 1QB, 2RBs, 3WRs, 1Flex, 1TE, 1D/ST, 1K.
QBs- Rivers, Mariota,Darnold,Bridgewater
RBs- Mixon, Cook, RoJo, Kelley, DWashington, DWilliams
WRs- OBJ, Cooks, Watkins, Funchess, Matthews, Cole, Lockett, DRobinson, Malone, Hansen
TEs- Rudolph,Brate,McDonald
2019 - 1,1,2,3,4

TEAM 2: 12 team league. 0.5 ppr. TE 1 ppr
Start 1QB, 2RBs, 3WRs, 1Flex, 1TE,
QBs- Stafford,Bradford,Taylor
RBs- Cook, Guice, Henry, Ajayi, Gillislee, Rawls, Ekeler, DHenderson, McNichols
WRs- Cooks, Tate, Watkins, Bryant, JMatthews, Lee, RAnderson, Miller, Coutee, JGrant, Mitchell
TEs- Rudolph,Doyle,Burton
2019 - 1,3


TEAM 3: 12 team league. 0.5 ppr.
Start 1QB, 2RBs, 2WRs, 2Flex, 1TE,
QBs- Roethlisberger,Rivers,Trubisky
RBs- Cook, Henry, Coleman, Gallman, Gillislee, Prosise, DWashington, DWilliams
WRs- Evans, Allen, Diggs, Fuller, Shepard, Moncrief, Taylor, Pettis, DHenderson,CWilliams
TEs- Njoku,Reed,Anderson
2019 - 1,3,3,4

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Re: Hyde vs Miller

Postby Fhsscrballa » Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:26 am

It is Miller for me simply based on volume and better injury history. Bill O'brien runs the ball more than most teams in the league and I look for that to continue with the current QB situation and a top defense.
10 man Standard League 1 QB,2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 RB/WR/TE .

Roster is 22/2IR

QB: Jameis Winston, Andy Dalton, Tyrod Taylor, Teddy B

RB: Mark Ingram, Isaiah Crowell, Jeremy Hill, Ty Montgomery, Jamaal Williams, Chris Carson, Joe Williams, Mike Davis,

WR: Mike Evans, Amari Cooper, Sterling Shepard, Randall Cobb, Emanuel Sanders, Chris Godwin, Trent Taylor, Kevin White

TE: Jimmy Graham

DEF: Kansas City Chief, Panthers

2018 Picks 1.01,1.02,2.03,2.04,2.06

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Re: Hyde vs Miller

Postby Ruggenater » Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:27 am

Miller easily for me. As noted above, he's safer and on a better team, which will lead to more scoring opportunities.
12 Team Superflex - PPR, 0.25 PPC - QB/2RB/3WR/TE/Flex/Superflex
QB: Rodgers, Dalton, Bortles, Tannehill, L Jackson, J Allen
RB: Michel, L Miller, Collins, Foreman, Dixon, Martin, Gore, Yeldon
WR: Hopkins, Robinson, Watkins, K Cole, Maclin, Lockett, Hollins, Allison
TE: Kelce, Gesicki, J Smith

10 Team 2017 Orphan Takeover - 0.5 PPR - QB/2RB/3WR/TE/Flex/DT/2DE/3LB/CB/2S/2DP/K
QB: Roethlisberger, Dalton, Eli, Tyrod
RB: L Miller, CJA, Bernard, Powell, D Foreman, Joe Williams
WR: Jeffery, Watkins, M Bryant, Kupp, Meredith, Edelman, J Matthews, Allison, Wilson
TE: Rudolph, Everett, Vannett
DT: N Suh, S Richardson
DE: T Flowers, J Clowney, M Wilkerson, Ngakoue
LB: Schobert, A Williamson, D Davis, M Foster, M Ingram
CB:
S: B Baker, Amos, T Jefferson, L Joyner
2018 Picks: 1.09, 2.06, 3.04, 3.06, 3.10, 3.11, 5.04
2019 Picks: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5

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Re: Hyde vs Miller

Postby Goddard » Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:27 am

Miller

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Re: Hyde vs Miller

Postby jcc6fd » Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:31 am

This has to be Miller, and I think he's always been overrated.
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10 Team Non-PPR Scoring: 1QB 2RB 2WR 1TE 1Flex DST K
QB: Super Cam, Smith, Mahomes
RB: Hunt, Fournette, Cook, Crowell, D Murray, Gore, Burkhead, Dixon, Ware, T. Austin
WR: OBJ, K. Allen, TY, Cooks, Edelman, Butler
TE: Kelce, Ebron, Cook
DST: PHI, NO

KC Cardinals
10 Team PPR Scoring: 1-2QB 2-5RB 3-6WR 1-3TE
QB: Luck, Dak, Ryan, Dalton, Tyrod, McCarron
RB: Howard, Ajayi, Drake, Miller, CJA, Riddick, Booker, T. Austin
WR: OBJ, K. Allen, Julio, Agholor, KBenj, Hogan, T. Pryor
TE: Rudolph, ASJ, Eifert

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Re: Hyde vs Miller

Postby saw061600 » Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:32 am

Miller time.
10 TM 85 RST -WW STD
Dalton Mariota Tanny Tbisk
Miller Ajayi Henry Foreman AJones Buck AA Gio Dixon Collins
Julio Evans ARob Cooper Watkins Cooks Parker MWilliams Tread Doctson Boyd Perriman
Gronk Kelce Engram
Watt Ansah Williams Richardson Taylor Graham
Davis Collins Mosley Kendricks Bucannon DCampbell DJones DLee Compton
Vaccaro Joseph Church Iloka McLeod Williams

12 TM .5ppr 45 RST Orphan2
Mariota Dalton
Penny Miller Foreman Duke Yeldon Dixon Eckler Clement JKelly
Evans ARob Watkins JMatt Parker Meredith Agholor Golloday Samuel Tre'Q Callaway Boyd
Njoku Jonnu Ebron
Williams Hunter Clark Barnett
Williamson Perryman Campbell Onwuassor ShaqT Reddick Vander Warner
McLeod Jones Budda JJohnson

12TM .5PPR 45RST Orphan1
Rodgers Rivers
Howard Freeman Crow McG Prosise AA Thompson DaWill
Cooks Amari DT Edelman PRich Hogan Samuel Pryor CColeman Gabriel AWilson Geronimo
Ertz Olsen
Garrett Wake Zettel
Bucannon Lee Wright Minter CJones Burgess
RJones Church Apple White Mitchell Carrie

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Re: Hyde vs Miller

Postby 0crush83 » Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:33 am

I prefer Miller
12 team PPR - QB/2RB/2WR/TE/FLEX/K/DEF
QB- Ryan, Carr
RB- Bell, Hyde, Coleman, Gio, Breida, Thompson
WR- OBJ, AB, Nuk, M. Thomas, Parker, Treadwell, Godwin
TE- Kelce, Engram
D- Eagles, Rams
IR - DJ

12 team PPR - QB/2-4 RB/3-5 WR/1-3 TE
QB- Rodgers, Seimian, Bridgewater, McCown
RB- Bell, Freeman, Gordon, Ingram, Gore, Conner
WR- Julio, Nuk, KA, Landry, Hilton, Cooks, DT, Maclin, R. Matthews, Boyd
TE- Kelce, Rudolph, James, Everett, ASJ

12 team PPR- 1QB/2-4 RB/3-5 WR/1-3 TE
QB- Rodgers, Siemian
RB- Bell, Gurley, Carson, Conner, Gallman, Williams
WR- Nuk, Baldwin, Jordy, DT, Crabtree, Crowder, Decker, Ross, Wallace, Richardson, Higgins, Taylor
TE- Kelce, Maxx

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Re: Hyde vs Miller

Postby Payton34 » Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:43 am

Miller... Figure Shanny will be looking to select "His Guy" in the next draft or two anyway...
QBs - Rodgers, Cousins, D Kizer
RBs - E Elliott, L Bell, D Cook, J Mixon, J Connor
WRs - J Nelson, M Thomas, D Hopkins, R Woods, J Doctson, D Amendola, P Garcon
TEs - OJ Howard, T Burton, R Seals-Jones
Ks - D Bailey, H Butker
Ds - Seattle, LA Rams


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2019 Picks: Late 1st rounder

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Re: Hyde vs Miller

Postby mclilj » Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:35 am

I think Hyde is the more talented back but is certainly riskier... durability concerns and questions about his role in this offense. Miller is the safer bet, Hyde has the lower floor but a much higher ceiling if he stays healthy and clicks with shanahan. I'm a gambler so I'd consider rolling the dice if you could get a pick thrown in or something.
Team 1 (2015 Champion):
2QB 2RB 2WR 1TE 3RWT 0PPR 8Teams 24RostersSpots
QBs: Dak Prescott, Tom Brady, Derek Carr
RBs: Todd Gurley, Carlos Hyde, Dalvin Cook, Derrick Henry, Samaje Perine, Devontae Booker, Alfred Morris, Jeremy Hill
WRs: Stefon Diggs, Amari Cooper, Allen Robinson, Larry Fitzgerald, Golden Tate, Chris Hogan, Josh Doctson, Robby Anderson, Martavis Bryant, Mike Williams
TEs: Travis Kelce, Evan Engram
Def: Broncos
K: None
2018 Picks 2nd (16th overall), 4th, 4th
2019 Picks 4th

Team 2 (2016 Champion):
2QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1RWT 1PPR 8TEAMS 17RosterSpots 5IR
QBs: Carson Wentz, Derek Carr, Pat Mahomes, Nick Foles, Mitchell Trubisky, Teddy Bridgewater
WRs: Odell Beckham Jr, Michael Thomas, Amari Cooper, Allen Robinson, Cooper Kupp, Sterling Shepherd, Martavis Bryant
RBs: Leonard Fournette, Derrick Henry, Joe Mixon, Carlos Hyde, Kenyan Drake, Samaje Perine, Devontae Booker, Jeremy Hill, Alfred Morris
TEs: Jimmy Graham, Tyler Eifert
K: McManus
2018 Picks 3.05
2019 Picks 1st, 2nd, 3rd

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Re: Hyde vs Miller

Postby snaps06 » Wed Aug 09, 2017 12:27 pm

jwb32 wrote:
Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:21 am
Not sure Miller is much of an improvement over Hyde, but I think he is safer.
This is basically how I've been looking at it. I think Miller's floor is higher and he's proven to be pretty durable. It's nice to see this being reinforced in most of the comments.
Team 1: 12-Team Standard 28-man Rosters 23 Keepers 2016 and 2017 3rd Place :wall:
QB RB RB WR WR TE Flex Flex D/ST K

QB-Stafford, Flacco

RB-Miller, Crowell, CJA, Gio Bernard, Duke Jr., Hood, M. Brown, Joe Williams

WR-Julio, Dez, K. Allen, Amari, Maclin, J-Matt, Doctson, Carroo, Wallace, JJ Nelson, White

TE-Walker, Henry, Ebron

2018 Picks: 1.10, 1.11, 3.10, 4.10, 5.10
2019 Picks: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5

Team 2: 12-Team Standard 19-man Rosters 16 Keepers 2017 Runner-Up :boohoo:
QB RB RB WR WR TE Flex D/ST K

QB-Stafford, Rivers

RB-L. Bell, Zeke, Hyde, Duke Jr., Prosise, Conner, Alf Morris

WR-Hopkins, Cooks, Sammy, K. White, Robert Woods, Mike Williams

TE-Henry, Ebron

2018 Picks: 3.11
2019 Picks: 2, 3

Team 3: 14-Team Superflex/Full PPR/0.25 per rush/22 keepers/4 taxi
QB RB RB WR WR TE Flex Flex Flex Superflex
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Re: Hyde vs Miller

Postby cvbuc » Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:12 pm

I'd be A LOT more worried about Foreman than I would be about Joe Williams.
TEAM ONE
12 Team PPR League / 5pt passing TDs
Start 1QB 2RB 3WR 1Flex 1TE 1K 21 Man Active Roster / 2 TAXI SQUAD SPOT
QB - Cousins, Mariota, L. Jackson
RB - Kamara, Cook, Mixon, McKinnon, D. Foreman, Dixon, M. Breida, P. Barber
WR - Evans, AJ Green, C. Davis, JuJu, Demaryius, D. Parker, C. Meredith, G. Allison
TE - Kelce, D. Goedert, Jonnu Smith, J. Atkins

TEAM TWO
12 Team PPR League / 5pt passing TDs / 28 man rosters
Start 1QB 2RB 3WR 1Flex 1TE 1K 1D
QB- D. Brees, J. Winston, Tannehill
RB- L. Bell, Ronald Jones, T. Coleman, A. Collins, L. McCoy, C. Hyde, D. Booker, K. Dixon, jaylen Samuels, D. Pumphrey
WR- B. Cooks, Diggs, J. Landry, Godwin, A. Callaway, T. Pryor, Taywan Taylor, DJax, Albert Wilson, Richie James
TE- Kelce, G. Everett, I. Thomas
2019 - 1,1,2,2,3,3

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Re: Hyde vs Miller

Postby snaps06 » Wed Aug 09, 2017 7:14 pm

cvbuc wrote:
Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:12 pm
I'd be A LOT more worried about Foreman than I would be about Joe Williams.
I've pondered this as well. Foreman is much more talented than Williams. Then that got me to thinking... Back when Miller was in Miami and was in a RBBC, he actually put up better overall numbers than he did last year. So, in a weird way, I wonder if having a legit RB to help Miller carry the load will actually make him more productive? I mean check this out:

2014: 216 carries, 1099 yards, 38 catches, 275 yards (1374 total yards), and 9 total TDs.

2015: 194 carries, 872 yards, 47 catches, 397 yards (1269 total yards), and 10 total TDs.

2016: 268 carries, 1073 yards, 31 catches, 188 yards (1261 total yards), and 6 total TDs.

I know a lot of 2016 can be attributed to Brock and his inability to pass the ball and open up the run game, but I also wonder if a better QB plus being in a RBBC will actually put Miller back into top-10 standard points?

I'm just trying to talk out loud as I make my decision. I have until tomorrow to decide. Thanks to everyone that has helped!
Team 1: 12-Team Standard 28-man Rosters 23 Keepers 2016 and 2017 3rd Place :wall:
QB RB RB WR WR TE Flex Flex D/ST K

QB-Stafford, Flacco

RB-Miller, Crowell, CJA, Gio Bernard, Duke Jr., Hood, M. Brown, Joe Williams

WR-Julio, Dez, K. Allen, Amari, Maclin, J-Matt, Doctson, Carroo, Wallace, JJ Nelson, White

TE-Walker, Henry, Ebron

2018 Picks: 1.10, 1.11, 3.10, 4.10, 5.10
2019 Picks: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5

Team 2: 12-Team Standard 19-man Rosters 16 Keepers 2017 Runner-Up :boohoo:
QB RB RB WR WR TE Flex D/ST K

QB-Stafford, Rivers

RB-L. Bell, Zeke, Hyde, Duke Jr., Prosise, Conner, Alf Morris

WR-Hopkins, Cooks, Sammy, K. White, Robert Woods, Mike Williams

TE-Henry, Ebron

2018 Picks: 3.11
2019 Picks: 2, 3

Team 3: 14-Team Superflex/Full PPR/0.25 per rush/22 keepers/4 taxi
QB RB RB WR WR TE Flex Flex Flex Superflex
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