Evans vs the house

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Evans vs the house

Postby doombringer » Sat Jul 29, 2017 12:26 pm

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I have many vices. Blondes, Tall wr's, Booze...the list could go on.

Well, last night I sent a trade to a player who owns Evans after a few too many drinks. Never mix two of your vices.

Regardless, after it was sent he texted me to give him some time to think it over. I agreed. After looking at it all day and wondering what he is going to do I am rethinking the offer.

Is this too much for Mike Evans.


D. Adams, Tyrell Williams, 18 first, Paul Perkins, Ken Dixon, and Gio for his Evans.

I don't love any of these players but at a certain point I know it could handicap my squad without the depth. Needless to say, In a vaccum is this fair deal?
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Re: Evans vs the house

Postby Paul Crewe » Sat Jul 29, 2017 12:34 pm

Those pieces are all essentially spare parts, unproven commodities or players that need to do it again to show that they're not a flash in the pan. Even if the 2018 pick is early or mid, that's a steal for Evans and a textbook quantity-for-quality deal that the trade calculators love.

I'd be surprised if he takes it after thinking it over more, but bully for you if he does.
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Re: Evans vs the house

Postby Goddard » Sat Jul 29, 2017 12:41 pm

That's cheap for Evans.

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Re: Evans vs the house

Postby doombringer » Sat Jul 29, 2017 12:42 pm

Now to make this post disappear. :)

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Re: Evans vs the house

Postby cowboysfan » Sat Jul 29, 2017 1:39 pm

As an Evans owner that wouldn't even catch my attention.

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Re: Evans vs the house

Postby BradysBunch » Sat Jul 29, 2017 2:24 pm

Agree with above...as an Evans owner... I wouldn't even counter.
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Re: Evans vs the house

Postby cvbuc » Sat Jul 29, 2017 2:42 pm

The owners saying they wouldn't even respond are being a bit harsh... there's 4 firsts worth of value in that offer.

Adams and the 2018 first are not "spare parts". Not at all.
Tyrell is a huge question mark. As is Paul Perkins. But it wouldn't shock me if both individually fetched a late first in a trade right now.
Gio and Dixon are the biggest question marks.

It's not a laughable offer. I wouldn't take it for Evans, and I doubt your trade partner will either if he hasn't accepted already.
Be ready to counter immediately...
Trim the fat, Keep Adams, the 2018 first, and maybe Perkins in the deal - and then add one more Adams level value piece to get it done.
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Re: Evans vs the house

Postby Shcritters » Sat Jul 29, 2017 3:13 pm

Not a laughable offer, but definitely a bunch of dimes and quarters for a dollar bill. Evans for me.
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Re: Evans vs the house

Postby Paul Crewe » Sat Jul 29, 2017 3:23 pm

cvbuc wrote: Sat Jul 29, 2017 2:42 pm The owners saying they wouldn't even respond are being a bit harsh... there's 4 firsts worth of value in that offer.

Adams and the 2018 first are not "spare parts". Not at all.
Tyrell is a huge question mark. As is Paul Perkins. But it wouldn't shock me if both individually fetched a late first in a trade right now.
Gio and Dixon are the biggest question marks.

It's not a laughable offer. I wouldn't take it for Evans, and I doubt your trade partner will either if he hasn't accepted already.
Be ready to counter immediately...
Trim the fat, Keep Adams, the 2018 first, and maybe Perkins in the deal - and then add one more Adams level value piece to get it done.
It appears that you're responding to my comment. I didn't say Adams was a spare part. He would fall under the "needs to do it again" category since he's had one WR2-level season that was highly TD dependent. Perkins has a great opportunity in front of him but is still unproven, though he could potentially fetch a late 1st as you mentioned.

Tyrell is also in the "needs to do it again" group, but the now-crowded WR corps (including 7th overall pick Williams) has dented his value. I'm an owner and believe in his talent, but doubt I could get a late 1st for him unless Keenan and/or Williams go down. Even without those guys in his way last year, he was still a WR3 at best.

The 2018 1st wasn't included in any of those descriptions, although we don't know if it's likely to be early, mid or late. Even if it's early or mid, the combination of that asset with two other pieces that could fetch late 1sts isn't nearly enough for Evans. If it's late, then it's not even in the same ballpark.
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Re: Evans vs the house

Postby IR1 » Sat Jul 29, 2017 3:32 pm

Shcritters wrote: Sat Jul 29, 2017 3:13 pm Not a laughable offer, but definitely a bunch of dimes and quarters for a dollar bill. Evans for me.
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Re: Evans vs the house

Postby DJB » Sun Jul 30, 2017 11:20 am

Did he take the drunken offer?
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Re: Evans vs the house

Postby Kramer » Sun Jul 30, 2017 11:38 am

IR1 wrote: Sat Jul 29, 2017 3:32 pm
Shcritters wrote: Sat Jul 29, 2017 3:13 pm Not a laughable offer, but definitely a bunch of dimes and quarters for a dollar bill. Evans for me.
X2, need to get a stud when you send a stud
x3..This is Evans very, very easily.
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Re: Evans vs the house

Postby cvbuc » Sun Jul 30, 2017 12:19 pm

Paul Crewe wrote: Sat Jul 29, 2017 3:23 pm
cvbuc wrote: Sat Jul 29, 2017 2:42 pm The owners saying they wouldn't even respond are being a bit harsh... there's 4 firsts worth of value in that offer.

Adams and the 2018 first are not "spare parts". Not at all.
Tyrell is a huge question mark. As is Paul Perkins. But it wouldn't shock me if both individually fetched a late first in a trade right now.
Gio and Dixon are the biggest question marks.

It's not a laughable offer. I wouldn't take it for Evans, and I doubt your trade partner will either if he hasn't accepted already.
Be ready to counter immediately...
Trim the fat, Keep Adams, the 2018 first, and maybe Perkins in the deal - and then add one more Adams level value piece to get it done.
It appears that you're responding to my comment. I didn't say Adams was a spare part. He would fall under the "needs to do it again" category since he's had one WR2-level season that was highly TD dependent. Perkins has a great opportunity in front of him but is still unproven, though he could potentially fetch a late 1st as you mentioned.

Tyrell is also in the "needs to do it again" group, but the now-crowded WR corps (including 7th overall pick Williams) has dented his value. I'm an owner and believe in his talent, but doubt I could get a late 1st for him unless Keenan and/or Williams go down. Even without those guys in his way last year, he was still a WR3 at best.

The 2018 1st wasn't included in any of those descriptions, although we don't know if it's likely to be early, mid or late. Even if it's early or mid, the combination of that asset with two other pieces that could fetch late 1sts isn't nearly enough for Evans. If it's late, then it's not even in the same ballpark.
If you read my whole post you see I said I would NOT take that deal for Evans. I was just trying to offer constructive advice rather than just dismissing his offer as baseless.
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Re: Evans vs the house

Postby doombringer » Sun Jul 30, 2017 12:41 pm

DJB wrote: Sun Jul 30, 2017 11:20 am Did he take the drunken offer?

He did not. I tried manning up and sent the same offer for Amari and Funchess and was swiftly shot down.

I just can't seem to wrestle away a WR I like for this package. It is simply too much for guys below Cooper or Thomas. I feel it is just to risky offering for Hopkins or AR15 who I both like, but it is just too much for me to swallow. I am stuck.

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Re: Evans vs the house

Postby Paul Crewe » Sun Jul 30, 2017 2:42 pm

cvbuc wrote: Sun Jul 30, 2017 12:19 pm
Paul Crewe wrote: Sat Jul 29, 2017 3:23 pm
cvbuc wrote: Sat Jul 29, 2017 2:42 pm The owners saying they wouldn't even respond are being a bit harsh... there's 4 firsts worth of value in that offer.

Adams and the 2018 first are not "spare parts". Not at all.
Tyrell is a huge question mark. As is Paul Perkins. But it wouldn't shock me if both individually fetched a late first in a trade right now.
Gio and Dixon are the biggest question marks.

It's not a laughable offer. I wouldn't take it for Evans, and I doubt your trade partner will either if he hasn't accepted already.
Be ready to counter immediately...
Trim the fat, Keep Adams, the 2018 first, and maybe Perkins in the deal - and then add one more Adams level value piece to get it done.
It appears that you're responding to my comment. I didn't say Adams was a spare part. He would fall under the "needs to do it again" category since he's had one WR2-level season that was highly TD dependent. Perkins has a great opportunity in front of him but is still unproven, though he could potentially fetch a late 1st as you mentioned.

Tyrell is also in the "needs to do it again" group, but the now-crowded WR corps (including 7th overall pick Williams) has dented his value. I'm an owner and believe in his talent, but doubt I could get a late 1st for him unless Keenan and/or Williams go down. Even without those guys in his way last year, he was still a WR3 at best.

The 2018 1st wasn't included in any of those descriptions, although we don't know if it's likely to be early, mid or late. Even if it's early or mid, the combination of that asset with two other pieces that could fetch late 1sts isn't nearly enough for Evans. If it's late, then it's not even in the same ballpark.
If you read my whole post you see I said I would NOT take that deal for Evans. I was just trying to offer constructive advice rather than just dismissing his offer as baseless.
I read your whole post. You were clear that you wouldn't take that deal either. We generally agree but with slightly different valuations in a few places. I don't think his offer was the equivalent of four 1sts but it certainly wasn't just spare parts either. As for those saying they wouldn't even respond, I don't get that. Not only was the offer not that bad, any offer is the start of a potential conversation. Anyway, it's all good. I appreciate differences in opinion.
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