Doug Baldwin or Keenan Allen *Poll

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Doug Baldwin
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Keenan Allen
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50%
 
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Doug Baldwin or Keenan Allen *Poll

Postby Boxseed » Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:20 am

Ppr league I have m.williams p.rivers.... trade partner has russel Wilson

Give: Doug Baldwin

Get: Keenan allen
1qb 2rb 2wr 1te 2 flex 1 D
Qb: luck cam Brady
Rb: Barkley, Mixon, mccaffrey, kerryon
Wr: k.allen,cooper, green, Hilton, Davis, Kirk,
Te: Kelce

Picks:
4 2020 1st

12tm 1qb 2rb 2wr 3 flex
Team 2
Rodgers Rivers Cousins
Barkley, kamara, cmac , R.freeman,
Nuk, Evans, hill, d.adams, scantling c.davis
Engram, ertz

2020 2 2nds
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Re: Doug Baldwin or Keenan Allen *Poll

Postby Bucky15 » Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:24 am

Keenan all the way. I know he's had awful luck on the injury side but I'm not ready to give up on him yet. Baldwin is solid but Keenan's ceiling is still pretty huge.
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Team 1
Mahomes, Stafford
A. Jones, Guice, RoJo, Hyde, Edwards, Gio, C. Thompson, Dixon, CJA, J. Jackson
MT, Diggs, Cooks, G. Tate, MVS, Smokey Brown, Goodwin
Ertz, Burton, Herndon

2020
1.x, 2.x, 3.x, 4.x

12 Team 20 Roster Spots & 5 IR 1/2 PPR Start 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 2 Flex

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Luck, Dalton
Kamara, Michel, D. Henry, T. Coleman, Brieda, Foreman, Dixon
OBJ, MT, JuJu, A-Rob, Kirk, D. Hamilton, Crowder, T Smith (NO)
Howard, Ebron, Rudolph

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Re: Doug Baldwin or Keenan Allen *Poll

Postby GreenAndWhite81 » Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:24 am

I prefer Keenan.

Side note: You have some really weird bolding going on in your sig file team. :-D
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Re: Doug Baldwin or Keenan Allen *Poll

Postby Goddard » Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:25 am

I'll take Allen.
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Re: Doug Baldwin or Keenan Allen *Poll

Postby RB6 » Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:26 am

Give me the upside and youth of KA.
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LJax, Burrow, Carr, Huntley, Heinicke, Cunningham
Adams, Kupp, Deebo, M Brown, Kirk, Wiliams, C Samuel, Palmer, E. Moore, Hodgins, Hutchinson
CMC, Barkley, Mostert, Ford, Moss, Dobbins, Dillon, Kelley, Tucker
Andrews, Higbee

PPR 1Q/3W/2R/1T/1SF/2F
Mahomes, Purdy, Dalton, Henicke, Trask, Zappe
Henry, Pacheco, Robinson, Wilson, Ford, Chandler, Deuce
Hill, Kupp, Shaheed, Toney, Lazard, Metchie, Mingo, Slayton, Shenault, Atwell, Hutchinson
Pitts, Waller, Washington

PPR Best Ball Dynasty SF .5TEP
Stroud, Cousins, Willis, Mariota, Cunningham
Walker, J Cook, Miller, Zamir, Rodriguez, Carter, Penny
St. Brown, Aiyuk, DJ Moore, London, Doubs, Metchie, Scott, Claypool
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Re: Doug Baldwin or Keenan Allen *Poll

Postby WhatWouldDitkaDo » Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:27 am

So much hate for Baldwin. I don't see a large difference in ceiling between the two, and Baldwin has been much sturdier in his career thus far. I would keep Baldwin.
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WR: Tyreek Hill, Mike Evans, Cooper Kupp, Michael Gallup, Christian Kirk
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Re: Doug Baldwin or Keenan Allen *Poll

Postby pokerplayer1000 » Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:32 am

In reality many value Keenan's upside as what Baldwin has done the past 3 seasons and that is a WR1. I get the age disparity between the two but I would take the guy who hasn't been hurt and who has produced.
10Team-2QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 2FLX 1DL 1LB 1DB
QB: Watson/Lamar/FitzMAGIC
RB: Cook/Jacobs/Kamara/Guice/JWilliams
WR: Kupp/Landry/CRidley/Sutton/Fitz/Campbell/Agholar/Boykin
TE: Henry/Hooper/Fant
DL: Houston/Calias
LB: Littleton/Blake
DB: Walker/Bell
20: 1.02,1.08,2.01,2.05,2.08
21: 2 1sts
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10Team-2QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 2FLX 1 DE,DT,LB,S,CB,FLX,DL/DB
QB: Goff/Stafford/Fitz/Allen/Luck
RB: Zeke/CMC/DJ/Thompson/Barber/Laird
WR: OBJ/Amari/Keenan/Thielen/Fitz/Deebo/Beasley/Boykin/Renfrow/Harmon(TS)
TE: Ebron/Hooper/Vance/Hurst(TS)/Knox(TS)
DE: Jordan/Bosa/Lawerence
DT: Lawerence/Reader
LB: Jaylon/Martinez/Roquan/Campbell
CB: TWhite/King
S: Johnson III/Bell/Jenkins
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10Team-2QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1FLX 1DL 1LB 1DB 1FLX
QB: Goff/BigBen/Ryan/Rivers/Minshew
RB: MG3/Kamara/Thompson/AP
WR: Julio/Nuk/Adams/MJones/Fitz/Lazard/Tate/Isabella(TS)/Renfrow(TS)
TE: Ertz/Higbee/Ebron/Vance/Knox
DL: Lawerence/Jones(KC)/Ingram
LB: DWhite/Leonard/Werner
DB: Walker/Humphrey
20: 1.06, 1.10, 2.06
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Re: Doug Baldwin or Keenan Allen *Poll

Postby Boxseed » Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:47 am

pokerplayer1000 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:32 am In reality many value Keenan's upside as what Baldwin has done the past 3 seasons and that is a WR1. I get the age disparity between the two but I would take the guy who hasn't been hurt and who has produced.

Yea this is where I'm on the fence I like both players... I'm not looking too much for trade value or age I'm looking for production
1qb 2rb 2wr 1te 2 flex 1 D
Qb: luck cam Brady
Rb: Barkley, Mixon, mccaffrey, kerryon
Wr: k.allen,cooper, green, Hilton, Davis, Kirk,
Te: Kelce

Picks:
4 2020 1st

12tm 1qb 2rb 2wr 3 flex
Team 2
Rodgers Rivers Cousins
Barkley, kamara, cmac , R.freeman,
Nuk, Evans, hill, d.adams, scantling c.davis
Engram, ertz

2020 2 2nds
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Re: Doug Baldwin or Keenan Allen *Poll

Postby Chefrob1027 » Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:47 am

I'm as high on Kennan as they get but the "upside" your looking for in him is the consistency baldwin produces. He not flashy but he's a title winner. Keep baldy unless you can get as 2 or something thrown in .
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QB: Rivers, Kizer,
RB: [color=#FF0000)Hunt, Hyde, [/color]t Ingram, Brieda
WR: Kennan, Nuk,
Baldwin Crowder, Garcon, M. Lee, Coleman, R. Anderson
TE: Graham, Cook, ASJ
DL: Wilk, L.Williams, F.Clark, Armstead
LB:Bowman, D.Lee, J. Davis,
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DB:J.Adams, McDonald, Geathers, Byard,

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QB: Ryan, Smith
RB: Mixon, Hyde, Henry, Thompson
WR: M. Thomas, Baldwin Kennan, Garcon, Coleman, Crowder
TE: Doyle, Mcdonald,
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Re: Doug Baldwin or Keenan Allen *Poll

Postby Goddard » Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:47 am

pokerplayer1000 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:32 am In reality many value Keenan's upside as what Baldwin has done the past 3 seasons and that is a WR1. I get the age disparity between the two but I would take the guy who hasn't been hurt and who has produced.
I like Baldwin just fine, but he's only had 2 seasons with 1,000 yards (and they were just barely over 1,000). Not trying to take anything away from him, but I think Allen's ceiling is definitely higher than that for his career, especially in ppr leagues. Baldwin will be 29 in September and don't really see him improving on his stats. He might have another 2-3 years of similar production, which is great to have as your WR2. However, Allen just turned 25 and as long as he stays healthy (obviously hasn't been lucky in that department), he should match, if not exceed Baldwin's numbers for a much longer period of time.
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Re: Doug Baldwin or Keenan Allen *Poll

Postby dblj1199 » Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:57 am

So the last two seasons Allen has had two injuries. One a torn ACL, he's already back for ota's and should be ready for a full season. The year before he took a nasty hit and had a lacerated kidney, a freak accident. I'm buying low on him and shipping Baldwin out.
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Qb- Mahomes, Prudy, Baker
RB- S Barkley, Pollard, B Hall, K Herbert, D Foreman, R Johnson, Zeke, J Robinson, Z White, J Wilson(i.r.), J McKinnon, J Mason, J Hill
WR- J Jefferson, Deebo, DJ Moore, OBJ, S Moore, J Jennings, C Austin, Trey Palmer
TE- Andrews, Higbee, Dulchich, Ferguson, D Washington
IDP(3)- P Queen,D Perryman, J Jewell, J Campbell, N Dean (i.r.)
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Re: Doug Baldwin or Keenan Allen *Poll

Postby moishetreats » Wed Jul 05, 2017 11:04 am

Allen's upside is entirely as a volume catcher based on an insane number of footballs being thrown his way. He hasn't been and doesn't profile as a reliable scorer.

Don't get me wrong: I'm a buyer given how low some are on him, but no way that I'd be trading Baldwin for him. That's #1.

#2: Why on earth would you want Allen, Williams, and Rivers?? You cap your upside AND you lower your floor.
10 tms 27 plrs PPR
Start: 2QB 2RB 3WR 2TE 2Flex / best ball

QB: Herbert, Love, Rodgers, G Smith, Stidham, T Taylor, Hall
RB: McCaffrey, Mixon, Pacheco, Montgomery, Z White, Allgeier, Dillon
WR: Hill, St. Brown, Kupp, Allen, Lockett, B Johnson
TE: Kelce, Kmet, Kraft, Okonkwo, Dulcich, Tremble

2024: 2.09, 3.07, 3.08, 3.10, 4.08
2025: 2nd (x2), 4th, 5th (x2)
2026: 1st, 2nd (x2), 3rd, 4th, 5th


12 tms 22 active plyrs. Salary Cap $300 PPR
Start: 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1SF 1Flex / best ball

QB: Lawrence (contract through 2026), Love ('24), Rodgers ('24), Stidham ('25), Lock ('25)
RB: Bijan Robinson ('25), Pollard ('27), Dillon ('24), Rodriguez ('24), Spiller ('24)
WR: G Wilson ('26), AJ Brown ('26), DJ Montgomery ('25)
TE: --
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Re: Doug Baldwin or Keenan Allen *Poll

Postby WhatWouldDitkaDo » Wed Jul 05, 2017 11:15 am

moishetreats wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2017 11:04 am Allen's upside is entirely as a volume catcher based on an insane number of footballs being thrown his way. He hasn't been and doesn't profile as a reliable scorer.

Don't get me wrong: I'm a buyer given how low some are on him, but no way that I'd be trading Baldwin for him. That's #1.

#2: Why on earth would you want Allen, Williams, and Rivers?? You cap your upside AND you lower your floor.
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Re: Doug Baldwin or Keenan Allen *Poll

Postby Bucky15 » Wed Jul 05, 2017 11:59 am

moishetreats wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2017 11:04 am Allen's upside is entirely as a volume catcher based on an insane number of footballs being thrown his way. He hasn't been and doesn't profile as a reliable scorer.

Don't get me wrong: I'm a buyer given how low some are on him, but no way that I'd be trading Baldwin for him. That's #1.

#2: Why on earth would you want Allen, Williams, and Rivers?? You cap your upside AND you lower your floor.
Agreed. So Baldwin/Williams for Allen/2nd
12 Team 20 Roster Spots & 5 IR 1/2 PPR Start 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 2 Flex

Team 1
Mahomes, Stafford
A. Jones, Guice, RoJo, Hyde, Edwards, Gio, C. Thompson, Dixon, CJA, J. Jackson
MT, Diggs, Cooks, G. Tate, MVS, Smokey Brown, Goodwin
Ertz, Burton, Herndon

2020
1.x, 2.x, 3.x, 4.x

12 Team 20 Roster Spots & 5 IR 1/2 PPR Start 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 2 Flex

Team 2
Luck, Dalton
Kamara, Michel, D. Henry, T. Coleman, Brieda, Foreman, Dixon
OBJ, MT, JuJu, A-Rob, Kirk, D. Hamilton, Crowder, T Smith (NO)
Howard, Ebron, Rudolph

2019
1.8, 2.8, 4.8
2020
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Re: Doug Baldwin or Keenan Allen *Poll

Postby BigBawseRoss » Wed Jul 05, 2017 12:03 pm

I cant believe Baldwin has more than a vote or two...the talent and ceiling aren't even close. and allens floor is extremely high too, hes had bad injury luck but you will feel silly watching him light up the league the next few seasons if you pass on him
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12 team, 1 pt for 4 rec, 0.1 per rush
1qb, 3 rb, 4 wr, te, k, 4 idp
Dak , Herbert
Achane, Breece Hall, KW3Kyren,Ford, Miller, Spiller, z evans, singletary
J Jefferson, Diggs, DK, D Smith Puka, C Watson, E Moore
Njoku , HH, Engram

2024 picks
1,3,4,5,5,6,7 (all late mostly)

team 2
12 team .5ppr
qb, 2 rb, 2 wr, te, flx,flx,
Fields, Dak
Ford,Mixon, Javonte, Mostert, Chubb, Spears
Hopkins, Evans, g Wilson Mingo, shaheed, Jamo
Kelce,McBride, Chig,


1,2,3,3,5

team 3
14 team sf, even scoring idp to offense (rb scores highly too)
Josh Allen, A Rich, Foles, Rudolph
Bijan, Charbs, Spears, Ebner
J Williams, G Wilson, C Watson, Flowers, J Addison, Tillman
Kincaid, Kolar, Ruckert, Fergeson

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