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Re: trade question

Postby SpartacusPTech » Wed Jun 28, 2017 8:38 am

The Red Rooster wrote: Wed Jun 28, 2017 8:28 am
SpartacusPTech wrote: Wed Jun 28, 2017 8:09 am Just for fun, I'm the other guy. I agree the AJ side has it, but it's closer than "many many miles".
Here is my reasoning.
AJ=ARob
Dez=two 1sts and Kevin White
Wilson= Tannehill, Prosise, and Brown

In a one QB league, I don't see how this isn't close?

Now, unleash the bashing. lol
I'm in minority but I think AJG is worth more than ARob....not by a lot, but give me AJG. I'm just a little afraid Bortles hurts him until/IF he leaves Jax.

Dez for two LATE firsts is like getting Evan Engram, Kareem Hunt and Kevin White. Not bad but I still prefer the Dez side.

Give me the stud in Wilson over that pile of bench/unknown players...their upside does make it interesting tho.

I agree it's somewhat close individually (based on how you broke it down) but I prefer all three sides he is giving up...so, all together, that increases the gap for me. Just my 2 cents.
Yeah, fair enough. I agree the AJ side has it, but feel it's closer than many think, but obviously I'm biased. lol
I will agree what probably makes it seem less close is when we get to the Wilson vs Tannehill side. Wilson is no doubt an upgrade over Tannehill, but are we still considering Wilson a stud?
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Jackson, Tua, Bridgewater
Sutton, ARob, Higgins, D. Harris
Barkley, Chubb, McKissic, D. Williams, Felton
Piits, Tonyan, Smith
LB: Wilson, Parsons, Milano, Reddick, Baker, Greenlaw, Walker Jr.
DL: C. Heyward, Flowers, Hunter, Franklin-Myers
DB: Harrison Smith, Abram, Davis III, Bradberry, Maye


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QB:Jackson, Mills, Eason, Newton
RB: Barkley/Najee/Gaskin/Hines/Sony/Johnson, Stevenson
WR: Chase/Juju/Aiyuk/Mike Williams/Beasley/N. Harry/Will Fuller/Cephus/D. Brown
TE: Pitts/Knox
DST:49ers, Titans
K: Koo


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Mahomes, Wentz, Jones
Mixon, Lindsay, Drake, Hines, Murray, Carter
Hopkins, M. Williams, Chase, McLaurin, Ridley, Samuel, Washington, Davis, D. Brown
Hockenson, Smith, Cook

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Re: trade question

Postby The Red Rooster » Wed Jun 28, 2017 10:24 am

SpartacusPTech wrote: Wed Jun 28, 2017 8:38 am
The Red Rooster wrote: Wed Jun 28, 2017 8:28 am
SpartacusPTech wrote: Wed Jun 28, 2017 8:09 am Just for fun, I'm the other guy. I agree the AJ side has it, but it's closer than "many many miles".
Here is my reasoning.
AJ=ARob
Dez=two 1sts and Kevin White
Wilson= Tannehill, Prosise, and Brown

In a one QB league, I don't see how this isn't close?

Now, unleash the bashing. lol
I'm in minority but I think AJG is worth more than ARob....not by a lot, but give me AJG. I'm just a little afraid Bortles hurts him until/IF he leaves Jax.

Dez for two LATE firsts is like getting Evan Engram, Kareem Hunt and Kevin White. Not bad but I still prefer the Dez side.

Give me the stud in Wilson over that pile of bench/unknown players...their upside does make it interesting tho.

I agree it's somewhat close individually (based on how you broke it down) but I prefer all three sides he is giving up...so, all together, that increases the gap for me. Just my 2 cents.
Yeah, fair enough. I agree the AJ side has it, but feel it's closer than many think, but obviously I'm biased. lol
I will agree what probably makes it seem less close is when we get to the Wilson vs Tannehill side. Wilson is no doubt an upgrade over Tannehill, but are we still considering Wilson a stud?
Agreed on Wilson...not really a stud in my eyes anymore either. I used stud relative to the other pieces I guess .

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Re: trade question

Postby RASH » Wed Jun 28, 2017 10:42 am

SpartacusPTech wrote: Wed Jun 28, 2017 8:09 am Just for fun, I'm the other guy. I agree the AJ side has it, but it's closer than "many many miles".
Here is my reasoning.
AJ=ARob
Dez=two 1sts and Kevin White
Wilson= Tannehill, Prosise, and Brown

In a one QB league, I don't see how this isn't close?

Now, unleash the bashing. lol
AJ>>ARob (I would much much rather have AJ)
Dez=two late 1sts and Kevin White (I am higher on White, so I agree it would be close, basically equivalent to 3 late 1st's. Depends on preference but I would likely pull the trigger.)
Wilson>Prosise (I like Prosise but he is in a crappy rb situation)
Trade chaff (Tannehill/Brown) I get they have value but I personally am not a fan of either Tannehill or Brown

It is not a terrible offer but it is not great considering the AJ side is giving up the best three players.

I would simplify down to Dez for two late 1sts and Kevin White.
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Re: trade question

Postby thomasscheeks » Wed Jun 28, 2017 10:52 am

SpartacusPTech wrote: Wed Jun 28, 2017 8:09 am Just for fun, I'm the other guy. I agree the AJ side has it, but it's closer than "many many miles".
Here is my reasoning.
AJ=ARob
Dez=two 1sts and Kevin White
Wilson= Tannehill, Prosise, and Brown

In a one QB league, I don't see how this isn't close?

Now, unleash the bashing. lol
Nat it's many many miles.

AJ and ARob are not even. Not in skill, situation, or in value.
Dez is worth a hell of a lot more than 2017 12th overall, a late future first, and a guy that hasn't done anything in his 2 year career.
And last but not least, Wilson is worth more than a bunch of random garbage you threw in to make your side seem valuable.

TBH, I wouldn't trade Green alone for all that. You're trying to dump all the players you don't care about for a chest full of gold and that's not how trading works. You have to find a common ground.
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QB: Watson, Lawrence, Tannehill, Fitzmagic
RB: Jacobs, Javonte, Drake, Mack
WR: Thomas, DJ Moore, Mike Williams, Golladay, Mooney, Kirk, Shepard, Parker
TE: Kittle, Ito Smith, Ebron, Bryant, Seals-Jones
DT: Simmons, Cox, Oliver, Vea
DL: Bosa, Hunter, Heyward, Greenard, Odeyingbo
LB: Watt, White, Cunningham, Kirksey
DB: Collins, Duggar, J Reid, Clark, Edmunds

12 Man, 1 ppr, 1 QB, 1-3 RB, 1-3 WR, 1 TE
QB: Tua, Jameis, Cam, Taysom
RB: Taylor, Javonte, CEH
WR: Jefferson, Nuk, Diontae, Juju, Shepard, Mooney, Robby Anderson
TE: Henry, Gesicki, Brevin, Cook

12 Man, 1 ppr, 1 QB, 1-3 RB, 1-3 WR, 1 TE
QB: Russ, Matty Ice, Tannehill
RB: CMC, Dobbins, Sanders. Scott, Mack
WR: Nuk, Keenan, Mooney, Patrick, Collins, Dyami
TE: Andrews, Schultz, Brevin, Akins

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Re: trade question

Postby SpartacusPTech » Wed Jun 28, 2017 11:26 am

thomasscheeks wrote: Wed Jun 28, 2017 10:52 am
SpartacusPTech wrote: Wed Jun 28, 2017 8:09 am Just for fun, I'm the other guy. I agree the AJ side has it, but it's closer than "many many miles".
Here is my reasoning.
AJ=ARob
Dez=two 1sts and Kevin White
Wilson= Tannehill, Prosise, and Brown

In a one QB league, I don't see how this isn't close?

Now, unleash the bashing. lol
Nat it's many many miles.

AJ and ARob are not even. Not in skill, situation, or in value.
Dez is worth a hell of a lot more than 2017 12th overall, a late future first, and a guy that hasn't done anything in his 2 year career.
And last but not least, Wilson is worth more than a bunch of random garbage you threw in to make your side seem valuable.

TBH, I wouldn't trade Green alone for all that. You're trying to dump all the players you don't care about for a chest full of gold and that's not how trading works. You have to find a common ground.
I'm willing to give into the fact that the difference between Tannehill and Wilson is a bit more than Prosise and Brown. (which actually players he chose to ask for, not me throwing in, for what that's worth)
If you wanna prefer AJG over Robinson that's fine, but ADP and rankings have them within a couple of spots from each other.
If Dez is worth so much more, what would it be?
16 team 1ppr
Jackson, Tua, Bridgewater
Sutton, ARob, Higgins, D. Harris
Barkley, Chubb, McKissic, D. Williams, Felton
Piits, Tonyan, Smith
LB: Wilson, Parsons, Milano, Reddick, Baker, Greenlaw, Walker Jr.
DL: C. Heyward, Flowers, Hunter, Franklin-Myers
DB: Harrison Smith, Abram, Davis III, Bradberry, Maye


Team 2
16 Team 0.5 ppr
QB:Jackson, Mills, Eason, Newton
RB: Barkley/Najee/Gaskin/Hines/Sony/Johnson, Stevenson
WR: Chase/Juju/Aiyuk/Mike Williams/Beasley/N. Harry/Will Fuller/Cephus/D. Brown
TE: Pitts/Knox
DST:49ers, Titans
K: Koo


Team 3 2019 - Champion
12 team SF
Mahomes, Wentz, Jones
Mixon, Lindsay, Drake, Hines, Murray, Carter
Hopkins, M. Williams, Chase, McLaurin, Ridley, Samuel, Washington, Davis, D. Brown
Hockenson, Smith, Cook

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Re: trade question

Postby thomasscheeks » Wed Jun 28, 2017 11:38 am

SpartacusPTech wrote: Wed Jun 28, 2017 11:26 am
I'm willing to give into the fact that the difference between Tannehill and Wilson is a bit more than Prosise and Brown. (which actually players he chose to ask for, not me throwing in, for what that's worth)
If you wanna prefer AJG over Robinson that's fine, but ADP and rankings have them within a couple of spots from each other.
If Dez is worth so much more, what would it be?
Value is different for everyone. In my opinion, ARob's value is closer to Dez's than it is to Green's. Dez is still a stud, just an aging stud that has had a few rough seasons. He's still in a very good situation though. The same can't be said for ARob.

So to me, this trade is way off. To some, it's somewhat close. But I think everyone has agreed that's it's an uneven trade.
10 Man IDP, .75 ppr, Big Play Bonus, TE Prem, 2 QB, 1-3 RB, 2-4 WR, 2 TE, 2 DT, 2 DE, 3 LB, 4 DB, 34 Keepers (17 off - 17 IDP)
QB: Watson, Lawrence, Tannehill, Fitzmagic
RB: Jacobs, Javonte, Drake, Mack
WR: Thomas, DJ Moore, Mike Williams, Golladay, Mooney, Kirk, Shepard, Parker
TE: Kittle, Ito Smith, Ebron, Bryant, Seals-Jones
DT: Simmons, Cox, Oliver, Vea
DL: Bosa, Hunter, Heyward, Greenard, Odeyingbo
LB: Watt, White, Cunningham, Kirksey
DB: Collins, Duggar, J Reid, Clark, Edmunds

12 Man, 1 ppr, 1 QB, 1-3 RB, 1-3 WR, 1 TE
QB: Tua, Jameis, Cam, Taysom
RB: Taylor, Javonte, CEH
WR: Jefferson, Nuk, Diontae, Juju, Shepard, Mooney, Robby Anderson
TE: Henry, Gesicki, Brevin, Cook

12 Man, 1 ppr, 1 QB, 1-3 RB, 1-3 WR, 1 TE
QB: Russ, Matty Ice, Tannehill
RB: CMC, Dobbins, Sanders. Scott, Mack
WR: Nuk, Keenan, Mooney, Patrick, Collins, Dyami
TE: Andrews, Schultz, Brevin, Akins

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Re: trade question

Postby sevendust33 » Wed Jun 28, 2017 8:45 pm

thanks again everyone man i realize maybe i undervalue my players no wonder i dont like offering trades this forum is helping me learn especially with trade values thanks to all who post questions and answer them
         
                    

                                         
                                                     


                                                             
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