Grab Cooper?

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Which side?

Landry, Gronk, Crowell, Riddick
20
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Cooper, Ebron, Perriman
9
31%
 
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Grab Cooper?

Postby Tyrober » Wed Jun 21, 2017 5:06 am

12 team PPR Superflex with TE premium

Have a solid team I feel like is a playoff team but have an offer of my Crowell, Riddick, Gronk and Landry for his Cooper, Ebron and Perriman

Feel like it's a solid trade but also think a healthy Gronk is a game changer and that Landry and Crowell are underrated starters for me but understand Coopers do not grow on trees

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Re: Grab Cooper?

Postby BradysBunch » Wed Jun 21, 2017 5:20 am

I would stay. I am normally not a fan of landry ( i play in non ppr ), but ppr I like him. Gronk...Obviously when healthy the #1 TE and it is not close. I know it is a big if. I think if this was for Evans or OBJ, I could see it. I traded away Cooper this summer. I like him between the 20s. Endzone, I got so frustrated with him. He caught over 6 balls in 2 games last year. In ppr for the 16 games last year, Cooper scored about .5 points more per game. Bottom line, I view them somewhat equally in ppr. So to give up Gronk, Crowell ( I like a lot ), and Riddick for Ebron and Perriman...I am staying away.
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Re: Grab Cooper?

Postby dblj1199 » Wed Jun 21, 2017 5:55 am

In a normal league I'm accepting, but in a ppr and te premium I'd pass. I think Cooper is going to take the next step this season, but Landry in a ppr isn't that far behind. The big piece is Gronk in a te premium. He is going to be chasing the $$$ in incentives and I'm expecting a big season from him. I'd hold what you have.
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Re: Grab Cooper?

Postby nabright » Wed Jun 21, 2017 5:59 am

dblj1199 wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2017 5:55 am In a normal league I'm accepting, but in a ppr and te premium I'd pass. I think Cooper is going to take the next step this season, but Landry in a ppr isn't that far behind. The big piece is Gronk in a te premium. He is going to be chasing the $$$ in incentives and I'm expecting a big season from him. I'd hold what you have.
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Re: Grab Cooper?

Postby ADrunkenCaveman » Wed Jun 21, 2017 6:24 am

In PPR this is how I see it:
Landry = Cooper
Gronk >>> Ebron + Perriman
Crowell + Riddick ?????
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Re: Grab Cooper?

Postby Tyrober » Wed Jun 21, 2017 6:28 am

ADrunkenCaveman wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2017 6:24 am In PPR this is how I see it:
Landry = Cooper
Gronk >>> Ebron + Perriman
Crowell + Riddick ?????

Having Cooper longterm would be awesome but I agree that Landry is right there behind him. I'v offered Cobb/KB, Crowell, Riddick and Gronk for Cooper and Ebron but he won't do it without Landry and has now added Perriman if Landry is included. This guy doesn't make many trades and usually sticks to his offers.

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Re: Grab Cooper?

Postby ADrunkenCaveman » Wed Jun 21, 2017 6:32 am

Tyrober wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2017 6:28 am
ADrunkenCaveman wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2017 6:24 am In PPR this is how I see it:
Landry = Cooper
Gronk >>> Ebron + Perriman
Crowell + Riddick ?????

Having Cooper longterm would be awesome but I agree that Landry is right there behind him. I'v offered Cobb/KB, Crowell, Riddick and Gronk for Cooper and Ebron but he won't do it without Landry and has now added Perriman if Landry is included. This guy doesn't make many trades and usually sticks to his offers.
I walk away and tell him that you see landry and Cooper really close so the gap between the 2 isnt even Crowell. That should back him off his offer, but will most likely end the trade talks.. which isnt a bad thing given the difference in values really
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Re: Grab Cooper?

Postby Gtdano_14 » Wed Jun 21, 2017 6:33 am

Tyrober wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2017 6:28 am
ADrunkenCaveman wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2017 6:24 am In PPR this is how I see it:
Landry = Cooper
Gronk >>> Ebron + Perriman
Crowell + Riddick ?????

Having Cooper longterm would be awesome but I agree that Landry is right there behind him. I'v offered Cobb/KB, Crowell, Riddick and Gronk for Cooper and Ebron but he won't do it without Landry and has now added Perriman if Landry is included. This guy doesn't make many trades and usually sticks to his offers.
Jarvis is only 24.... You could have him for around another decade too... Jarvis side here and not really close for me.
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Re: Grab Cooper?

Postby DBass218 » Wed Jun 21, 2017 6:48 am

This one is tough for me... I'd probably stick with Landry, Gronk. Crow, and Theo here.
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Re: Grab Cooper?

Postby jcc6fd » Wed Jun 21, 2017 7:13 am

I don't see this as close. Landry side. I see reason for a decent gap between Cooper and Landry but even if you needed Crow to bridge the gap Gronk is worth more than the other pieces you're getting. Then you're giving away Riddick who is a quality PPR back.
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Re: Grab Cooper?

Postby AndrewS » Wed Jun 21, 2017 7:16 am

jcc6fd wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2017 7:13 am I don't see this as close. Landry side. I see reason for a decent gap between Cooper and Landry but even if you needed Crow to bridge the gap Gronk is worth more than the other pieces you're getting. Then you're giving away Riddick who is a quality PPR back.
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Re: Grab Cooper?

Postby skip » Wed Jun 21, 2017 7:21 am

I realize people love Cooper but Landry is only one year older and equally productive (more so in PPR). The rest of the pieces blow away the Cooper side. Far too many votes on this one that are emotional/perception based.
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Re: Grab Cooper?

Postby Kramer » Wed Jun 21, 2017 7:26 am

Landry side for me too. I feel like I say this every day, but he's so underrated in PPR.
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Re: Grab Cooper?

Postby Goddard » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:07 am

Piling on the Landry side.

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Re: Grab Cooper?

Postby jojo5151 » Wed Jun 21, 2017 3:11 pm

Landry side for me too & I'm a Cooper owner. Having a game changer like Gronk tilts the scale in a big way imo
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