AR15 & Ross or Cooper
Re: AR15 & Ross or Cooper
Let's not forget that ARob is only 23, so Cooper being 22 doesn't impact it too much. I'm not a huge fan Ross, but this seems like a fair deal. It would depend on how many starters you need and # of teams. The more starters/teams, the more I might lean towards the depth. The less the starters/teams, the more I'll lean towards Cooper. Without knowing all that though, I'll take Cooper side cause I don't know what to expect from Blake Bortles and Ross is already tending to injuries as a pro after a bunch of injuries in college.
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Re: AR15 & Ross or Cooper
I think I'd prefer Coop here by a good bit.
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Re: AR15 & Ross or Cooper
Seems like Ross is pretty much getting written off here. I get why people would prefer Cooper over Arob but to me they're so close in value that it really is a preference. I like Arob a little more so getting a top 10 NFL draftee and first round rookie pick in Ross definitely shifts the needle to the Arob side for me.
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Re: AR15 & Ross or Cooper
This was similar to my thinking. I feel they are both similar, but I think Cooper has a little bit higher of a ceiling, so I'd prefer him. For context, I can start 5 WR (which I will be), and I have Evans, Hopkins, ARob, Watkins, and Ross. I have some other receivers, but not worth mentioning. If I did this trade I'd have to start another RB in the RB3 range. I really don't think I'm going to win this year, so playing for the next few years at this point.Kramer wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2017 6:41 am Let's not forget that ARob is only 23, so Cooper being 22 doesn't impact it too much. I'm not a huge fan Ross, but this seems like a fair deal. It would depend on how many starters you need and # of teams. The more starters/teams, the more I might lean towards the depth. The less the starters/teams, the more I'll lean towards Cooper. Without knowing all that though, I'll take Cooper side cause I don't know what to expect from Blake Bortles and Ross is already tending to injuries as a pro after a bunch of injuries in college.
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Re: AR15 & Ross or Cooper
I didn't forget. Cooper for me.
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Re: AR15 & Ross or Cooper
Cooper for me too. I have a feeling he's about to explode and become the guy we all hoped when he entered the NFL. As mentioned he is only 22 and will continue to improve. Arob is an amazing talent too but his targets will reduce imo as the Jags transition to a run first O. Ross is a big concern for me so nowhere near enough to make up the difference.
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Re: AR15 & Ross or Cooper
Not a big gap between Robinson and Cooper. I like Robinson more, but the difference between the two isn't a first round pick. I think people are really sleeping on Ross. His game is more similar to Brandin Cooks than Torrey Smith, or any guy who is pigeonholed as purely a deep threat.
Re: AR15 & Ross or Cooper
AR15/JR15 for me.
I think Cooper is the best player in the deal, but Robinson is following closely behind and I don't think Ross is THAT far behind as a prospect. Going top 10 in a loaded draft class is not something I am going to dismiss.
I think Ross is much closer to Cooks/Diggs/Djax than he is Fuller; it seems like most are trying too hard to find this years Will Fuller (Ross) and Laquon Treadwell (Mike Williams).
I think Cooper is the best player in the deal, but Robinson is following closely behind and I don't think Ross is THAT far behind as a prospect. Going top 10 in a loaded draft class is not something I am going to dismiss.
I think Ross is much closer to Cooks/Diggs/Djax than he is Fuller; it seems like most are trying too hard to find this years Will Fuller (Ross) and Laquon Treadwell (Mike Williams).
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Re: AR15 & Ross or Cooper
Me too.
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Give me Arob
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Jeebus, Can I join your league? Nice goin'Rattle Snake wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2017 5:32 am Gave up arob and mike Williams last week for cooper and I'm still smiling
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Re: AR15 & Ross or Cooper
Piling on, Cooper. The Robinson side should add another high pick.
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