Depth vs. studs

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Depth vs. studs

Postby hlkejak1 » Wed Jun 07, 2017 8:54 am

Have been burried in my other threads, because ive choosen depth over studs :) we all do mistakes, even though my team 1 in sig won last year, first year.

My question is, are there any league format where you will choose depth over studs? or will it be studs no mather what?
Team 1: 12 team superflex, 1ppr, - start 1qb, 2rb, 3wr, 1te, 4 flex, 1super
QB: Stafford, Cousins, EJ Emanuel, , C McCoy, Beathard, Kaaya
RB: Gordon, Ajayi, Booker, Dixon, Duke J, Dion Lewis, Dunbar, Lasco, B Hill, T Logan, C Clement
WR: Snead, Ginn, M Lee, Patterson, Shepard, LaFell, JJ Nelson, Tyler Lockett, T Gabriel, Agholor, Coates, Golladay, B Ellington, A Holmes, Switzer, Chesson, Hollins, Dede Westbrook, Dupre
TE: J Thomas, Heuerman, Clay, Bucky Hodges

Team 2: 12 team superflex, 1ppr, TE premium 1,5 - start 1qb, 2rb, 3wr, 2te, 4 flex, 1super
QB: Flacco, Manning, Tyrod, Goff, Trubisky, Kessler, Chad Kelly
RB: AP, Riddick, J Richard, Dixon, Prosise, Booker, Kamara, Aaron Jones
WR: Doctson, Moncrief, D Parker, Perriman, Shepard, Enunwa, Treadwell, Tyler Lockett, Chris Conley, Chad Williams, Ross, Golladay, Zay Jones,
TE: Ebron, Dion Sims, Butt, Jonnu Smith, Bucky Hodges, Shaheen, Everett

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Re: Depth vs. studs

Postby ADrunkenCaveman » Wed Jun 07, 2017 8:58 am

hlkejak1 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 07, 2017 8:54 am Have been burried in my other threads, because ive choosen depth over studs :) we all do mistakes, even though my team 1 in sig won last year, first year.

My question is, are there any league format where you will choose depth over studs? or will it be studs no mather what?
Not really a fair question based off you trading ALL your studs for 30 players so its out of context, but lets pretend its not.

Depends on what you mean when you say "Depth".
Trading Cooper for Doctson + Treadwell is bad
Trading Cooper for Landry + Doctson + pick is good (Im low on cooper and higher on landry, but still lol)

The word "Depth" isnt clear for people to go off of so would recommend you give a couple examples and put them in the pull for people to be able to vote on them.
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WRs: Hopkins, Cooks, J Nelson, Baldwin, R Matthews, Quick
TEs: Reed, Rudolph, Davis
K: Dawson
DEF: CAR, BAL

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S: 1QB 1RB 1WR 1TE 3FLEX

QBs: Wilson, Keenum, Flacco
RBs: McCoy, Howard, McKinnon, B Allen, Woodhead
WRs: Evans, Julio, Tate, Smith
TEs: Rudolph, Clay

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QBs: Brees, Wentz, Beathard
RBs: Murray, Miller, Ingram, Gore, Riddick
WRs: AB, Hilton, Dez, Tate, Lafell, Inman, Rodgers, Kearse
TEs: Rudolph, Davis, Watson
DTs: Short, McCoy, Lotulelei, Allen, Sims
DEs: Dunlap, Hicks, Wolf, Robison
LBs: Kirksey, Williams, Foster, Hicks, Perryman, Posluszny, Alexander, Walker, Morgan
CBs: Alford, Slay, Harris, Waynes, Randall, Bradberry, Trufant
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Re: Depth vs. studs

Postby cvbuc » Wed Jun 07, 2017 9:04 am

To put it idealistically...
The whole goal of this entire thing is to achieve both. Stud starters with great young depth.
The more competitive the league - meaning the better the worst owner in your league is - the harder it is to do that.

But the answer to your question is always going to be studs. You trade for studs... you mine the waiver wire, draft, and choose add on pieces to bigger deals to acquire depth. Sell high / buy low. Yada yada.

This time of the offseason the goal should be about acquiring the best talent period.
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Re: Depth vs. studs

Postby joeday » Wed Jun 07, 2017 9:09 am

Also probably would be good to not complain/humble brag about the advice you were given in other threads when asking for advice? lol

That being said I was actually thinking about this topic this morning. In my 14 or 16 team leagues would I rather have elite players as starters or a deeper team? I think I would rather have the former because the latter (in most cases) will be good enough to get you to the playoffs but the former can give you a real shot at a championship. It all comes down to injuries though. If you went into last season with elite players in your starting lineup and you stayed healthy then you probably won the ship...if you went in and had elite players and they got hurt then you probably didn't. Long story short, build your teams the way it makes you happiest and hope it works out either way.
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Re: Depth vs. studs

Postby hlkejak1 » Wed Jun 07, 2017 9:11 am

Do anyone know if theres been a discussion in another thread on this field: stud vs depth... Please send a link if you know about it...
Team 1: 12 team superflex, 1ppr, - start 1qb, 2rb, 3wr, 1te, 4 flex, 1super
QB: Stafford, Cousins, EJ Emanuel, , C McCoy, Beathard, Kaaya
RB: Gordon, Ajayi, Booker, Dixon, Duke J, Dion Lewis, Dunbar, Lasco, B Hill, T Logan, C Clement
WR: Snead, Ginn, M Lee, Patterson, Shepard, LaFell, JJ Nelson, Tyler Lockett, T Gabriel, Agholor, Coates, Golladay, B Ellington, A Holmes, Switzer, Chesson, Hollins, Dede Westbrook, Dupre
TE: J Thomas, Heuerman, Clay, Bucky Hodges

Team 2: 12 team superflex, 1ppr, TE premium 1,5 - start 1qb, 2rb, 3wr, 2te, 4 flex, 1super
QB: Flacco, Manning, Tyrod, Goff, Trubisky, Kessler, Chad Kelly
RB: AP, Riddick, J Richard, Dixon, Prosise, Booker, Kamara, Aaron Jones
WR: Doctson, Moncrief, D Parker, Perriman, Shepard, Enunwa, Treadwell, Tyler Lockett, Chris Conley, Chad Williams, Ross, Golladay, Zay Jones,
TE: Ebron, Dion Sims, Butt, Jonnu Smith, Bucky Hodges, Shaheen, Everett

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Re: Depth vs. studs

Postby ADrunkenCaveman » Wed Jun 07, 2017 9:14 am

hlkejak1 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 07, 2017 9:11 am Do anyone know if theres been a discussion in another thread on this field: stud vs depth... Please send a link if you know about it...
If so it probably wasnt on the Team Advice page probably the Dynasty Discussions page
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S: 1QB, 2RBs, 3WRs, 1TE, 1FLEX, 1K, 1DEF

QBs: Brady, Flacco
RBs: Zeke, D Murray, McKinnon, Powell
WRs: Hopkins, Cooks, J Nelson, Baldwin, R Matthews, Quick
TEs: Reed, Rudolph, Davis
K: Dawson
DEF: CAR, BAL

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S: 1QB 1RB 1WR 1TE 3FLEX

QBs: Wilson, Keenum, Flacco
RBs: McCoy, Howard, McKinnon, B Allen, Woodhead
WRs: Evans, Julio, Tate, Smith
TEs: Rudolph, Clay

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16 team .5PPR Full IDP League
S: 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 3FLEX

QBs: Brees, Wentz, Beathard
RBs: Murray, Miller, Ingram, Gore, Riddick
WRs: AB, Hilton, Dez, Tate, Lafell, Inman, Rodgers, Kearse
TEs: Rudolph, Davis, Watson
DTs: Short, McCoy, Lotulelei, Allen, Sims
DEs: Dunlap, Hicks, Wolf, Robison
LBs: Kirksey, Williams, Foster, Hicks, Perryman, Posluszny, Alexander, Walker, Morgan
CBs: Alford, Slay, Harris, Waynes, Randall, Bradberry, Trufant
Ss: Vaccaro, Mathieu, Church, Evans, Sendejo

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Re: Depth vs. studs

Postby hlkejak1 » Wed Jun 07, 2017 9:17 am

joeday wrote: ↑Wed Jun 07, 2017 9:09 am Also probably would be good to not complain/humble brag about the advice you were given in other threads when asking for advice? lol

That being said I was actually thinking about this topic this morning. In my 14 or 16 team leagues would I rather have elite players as starters or a deeper team? I think I would rather have the former because the latter (in most cases) will be good enough to get you to the playoffs but the former can give you a real shot at a championship. It all comes down to injuries though. If you went into last season with elite players in your starting lineup and you stayed healthy then you probably won the ship...if you went in and had elite players and they got hurt then you probably didn't. Long story short, build your teams the way it makes you happiest and hope it works out either way.
English is my 3rd language... It wasnt my intension to complain or brag... It was just to open the discussion... if you look at my team 1 in sig, i have traded away Landry and McCoy in this offseason... but there was no 1. 2. or 3. round pick last year but alot of 5. 6. 7. and 8. round picks... now there is some studs in gordon and ajayi, cousins maybe also... so if you go depht there should come some studs through it... Sorry if it came out wrong
Team 1: 12 team superflex, 1ppr, - start 1qb, 2rb, 3wr, 1te, 4 flex, 1super
QB: Stafford, Cousins, EJ Emanuel, , C McCoy, Beathard, Kaaya
RB: Gordon, Ajayi, Booker, Dixon, Duke J, Dion Lewis, Dunbar, Lasco, B Hill, T Logan, C Clement
WR: Snead, Ginn, M Lee, Patterson, Shepard, LaFell, JJ Nelson, Tyler Lockett, T Gabriel, Agholor, Coates, Golladay, B Ellington, A Holmes, Switzer, Chesson, Hollins, Dede Westbrook, Dupre
TE: J Thomas, Heuerman, Clay, Bucky Hodges

Team 2: 12 team superflex, 1ppr, TE premium 1,5 - start 1qb, 2rb, 3wr, 2te, 4 flex, 1super
QB: Flacco, Manning, Tyrod, Goff, Trubisky, Kessler, Chad Kelly
RB: AP, Riddick, J Richard, Dixon, Prosise, Booker, Kamara, Aaron Jones
WR: Doctson, Moncrief, D Parker, Perriman, Shepard, Enunwa, Treadwell, Tyler Lockett, Chris Conley, Chad Williams, Ross, Golladay, Zay Jones,
TE: Ebron, Dion Sims, Butt, Jonnu Smith, Bucky Hodges, Shaheen, Everett

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Re: Depth vs. studs

Postby Kramer » Wed Jun 07, 2017 9:17 am

Studs win you championships. Depth gives you a chance at one.
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QB: Allen, AR, Brissett
RB: Mixon,Barkley,Rhamondre,Foreman
WR: Deebo,Adams,Jeudy, Devonta,Nuk
TE: Knox,Chig, Woods, Ferguson
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Re: Depth vs. studs

Postby hlkejak1 » Wed Jun 07, 2017 9:18 am

ADrunkenCaveman wrote: ↑Wed Jun 07, 2017 9:14 am
hlkejak1 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 07, 2017 9:11 am Do anyone know if theres been a discussion in another thread on this field: stud vs depth... Please send a link if you know about it...
If so it probably wasnt on the Team Advice page probably the Dynasty Discussions page
Offcourse! sorry for the mistake, will not happend again...
Team 1: 12 team superflex, 1ppr, - start 1qb, 2rb, 3wr, 1te, 4 flex, 1super
QB: Stafford, Cousins, EJ Emanuel, , C McCoy, Beathard, Kaaya
RB: Gordon, Ajayi, Booker, Dixon, Duke J, Dion Lewis, Dunbar, Lasco, B Hill, T Logan, C Clement
WR: Snead, Ginn, M Lee, Patterson, Shepard, LaFell, JJ Nelson, Tyler Lockett, T Gabriel, Agholor, Coates, Golladay, B Ellington, A Holmes, Switzer, Chesson, Hollins, Dede Westbrook, Dupre
TE: J Thomas, Heuerman, Clay, Bucky Hodges

Team 2: 12 team superflex, 1ppr, TE premium 1,5 - start 1qb, 2rb, 3wr, 2te, 4 flex, 1super
QB: Flacco, Manning, Tyrod, Goff, Trubisky, Kessler, Chad Kelly
RB: AP, Riddick, J Richard, Dixon, Prosise, Booker, Kamara, Aaron Jones
WR: Doctson, Moncrief, D Parker, Perriman, Shepard, Enunwa, Treadwell, Tyler Lockett, Chris Conley, Chad Williams, Ross, Golladay, Zay Jones,
TE: Ebron, Dion Sims, Butt, Jonnu Smith, Bucky Hodges, Shaheen, Everett

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Re: Depth vs. studs

Postby joeday » Wed Jun 07, 2017 9:21 am

hlkejak1 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 07, 2017 9:17 am
joeday wrote: ↑Wed Jun 07, 2017 9:09 am Also probably would be good to not complain/humble brag about the advice you were given in other threads when asking for advice? lol

That being said I was actually thinking about this topic this morning. In my 14 or 16 team leagues would I rather have elite players as starters or a deeper team? I think I would rather have the former because the latter (in most cases) will be good enough to get you to the playoffs but the former can give you a real shot at a championship. It all comes down to injuries though. If you went into last season with elite players in your starting lineup and you stayed healthy then you probably won the ship...if you went in and had elite players and they got hurt then you probably didn't. Long story short, build your teams the way it makes you happiest and hope it works out either way.
English is my 3rd language... It wasnt my intension to complain or brag... It was just to open the discussion... if you look at my team 1 in sig, i have traded away Landry and McCoy in this offseason... but there was no 1. 2. or 3. round pick last year but alot of 5. 6. 7. and 8. round picks... now there is some studs in gordon and ajayi, cousins maybe also... so if you go depht there should come some studs through it... Sorry if it came out wrong
Thats awesome! My bad!

Right...it ultimately comes down to your definition of depth.
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QB –
RB – Christian McCaffrey | Josh Jacobs
WR – AJ Brown | CeeDee Lamb
TE –

ROCKY MOUNTAIN MASTODONS (0 – 0)
2011 | 2013 | 2015 | 2016 | 2017 | 2018 | 2020 – πŸ†
2008 | 2012 | 2014 | 2019 – πŸ₯ˆ

12 team | 10 keepers | non ppr | est. 2001
QB – Joe Burrow
RB – Tony Pollard | Kenneth Walker III | Rhamondre Stevenson
WR – Justin Jefferson | Stefon Diggs | DK Metcalf | Tee Higgins | Jameson Williams
TE – Trey McBride

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Re: Depth vs. studs

Postby nathanq42 » Wed Jun 07, 2017 9:21 am

Imagine this
30 man rosters
12 teams
QB/RB/RB/WR/WR/WR/FLEX

Would you rather have 30 guys with 12 points each
Or 10 guys with 30 points each?

Your overall team scores more points with depth
But you start more points with the studs

Depth is great and all so if you get an injury you dont fall off the face of the earth, but it won't win you a championship
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WR CeeDee Lamb, Justin Jefferson, DJ Moore, Hollywood Brown, Brandin Cooks, Odell Beckham Junior, Marvin Jones, Braxton Berrios, Richie James
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Re: Depth vs. studs

Postby pierson242 » Wed Jun 07, 2017 9:59 am

Like I said in the other post. Almost everyone on here will take a stud over depth. Why trade 1,$5 bill and get 3 pennies two nickels two dimes and a quarter. Yea you have acquired more coins but ultimately lost money.
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Re: Depth vs. studs

Postby Goddard » Wed Jun 07, 2017 11:11 am

It depends on the type of depth you're getting for your studs. If you're trading a top 5 player for 5 players who are ranked outside the top 50, then that's not a good deal. But if you trade your top 5 player for 2 top 15 players and /or a pick, then that's getting good value for them.

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Re: Depth vs. studs

Postby Hahaclintondix » Wed Jun 07, 2017 11:17 am

The more players you start, the more depth you need. There are leagues where teams start QB/RB/RB/WR/WR/TE/Flex only. Then it's important to have studs. If you have something like QB/RB/RB/WR/WR/WR/TE/Flex/Flex, then depth becomes more important.

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Re: Depth vs. studs

Postby hlkejak1 » Wed Jun 07, 2017 11:28 am

Thanks for input... but as someone mentioned earlier this is the wrong forum for this topic...
Sorry for post
Team 1: 12 team superflex, 1ppr, - start 1qb, 2rb, 3wr, 1te, 4 flex, 1super
QB: Stafford, Cousins, EJ Emanuel, , C McCoy, Beathard, Kaaya
RB: Gordon, Ajayi, Booker, Dixon, Duke J, Dion Lewis, Dunbar, Lasco, B Hill, T Logan, C Clement
WR: Snead, Ginn, M Lee, Patterson, Shepard, LaFell, JJ Nelson, Tyler Lockett, T Gabriel, Agholor, Coates, Golladay, B Ellington, A Holmes, Switzer, Chesson, Hollins, Dede Westbrook, Dupre
TE: J Thomas, Heuerman, Clay, Bucky Hodges

Team 2: 12 team superflex, 1ppr, TE premium 1,5 - start 1qb, 2rb, 3wr, 2te, 4 flex, 1super
QB: Flacco, Manning, Tyrod, Goff, Trubisky, Kessler, Chad Kelly
RB: AP, Riddick, J Richard, Dixon, Prosise, Booker, Kamara, Aaron Jones
WR: Doctson, Moncrief, D Parker, Perriman, Shepard, Enunwa, Treadwell, Tyler Lockett, Chris Conley, Chad Williams, Ross, Golladay, Zay Jones,
TE: Ebron, Dion Sims, Butt, Jonnu Smith, Bucky Hodges, Shaheen, Everett


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