What would it take for you to move up from 1.5 or 1.6 to 1.4

[Mephistopheles]

Hey, guys, I have a rebuild team, year 2 of what I projected to be a 3-4 year process. Took over, and did a dispersal draft where there wasn't much talent available and I've done the best I can so far.

This year I have the 1.4 pick and I'm looking hard at moving down to pick up a 2nd piece as I think I can get more mileage out of multiple pieces than just the 1.4 pick. I'm thinking on reaching out to the 1.5 and 1.6 pick owners to see if they're interested in moving up.

Just curious what kind of general value range the community would find enticing to consider moving up from 1.5 to 1.4 or 1.6 to 1.4.

Here's the basics of my team.

QB - Ryan
RB - Burkhead, Dion, Perkins, Sims, Ware, West, West, White
WR - Brown, Smokey; Doctson, Gabriel, Hilton, Lee, Matthews, Rishard; Watkins
TE - Barnidge, Gates


Or perhaps I'm better off staying at 1.4 and grabbing one of the top 4 guys?

Trying to structure something as the 2 owners who have those picks can be jerks when it comes to trading and won't give any consideration if they don't get perfect offers. Thanks.

[Goddard]

I'd ask for a late first on top of the 1.05/1.06 and settle for an early 2nd. Or even an 18 1st.

[Mephistopheles]

I'd ask for a late first on top of the 1.05/1.06 and settle for an early 2nd. Or even an 18 1st.

Thanks - this was exactly where my thinking was as well and I offered this to the 1.5 owner who shut it down and won't talk to me about it.
1.6 won't even respond.
Which is why I started this thread.

[moishetreats]

I think that this is a move that you'll have to make on the clock. Why? If I'm at 1.5 or 1.6, odds are that I have a top-4 or top-5, and it's a damn good chance that one of my top guys will fall to me at 1.5 or 1.6. So, why would I pay anything now to trade up?

OTC, however, it could be that there is only one guy left that 1.5 or 1.6 likes. That's when the greatest likelihood of this kind of trade exists.

If you're willing to move to the back half of round one (1.7 or later), then this is great time to negotiate.

[Mephistopheles]

Still looking for more ideas...

[Mephistopheles]

I think that this is a move that you'll have to make on the clock. Why? If I'm at 1.5 or 1.6, odds are that I have a top-4 or top-5, and it's a damn good chance that one of my top guys will fall to me at 1.5 or 1.6. So, why would I pay anything now to trade up?

OTC, however, it could be that there is only one guy left that 1.5 or 1.6 likes. That's when the greatest likelihood of this kind of trade exists.

If you're willing to move to the back half of round one (1.7 or later), then this is great time to negotiate.

Great idea, and I've discussed with a few of the guys in the back half of the 1st.
More than willing to do this, but the guys from 1.7 back that I've reached out to have been hardliners so far. Just sent an offer for a player I view worth about 1.7-1.9 plus an 18 first, with two other slight value trade-ups for him and got shot down with no further consideration.

[onetwothree]

Since you're rebuilding, I'd drop a few spots further back (1.07+) and get one of the TE. It's a position that takes a couple years to really get going so you have time to be patient and the asset you add (a 1st in 2017 or 2018) will just give you more depth.

I'd wait to see if Davis drops to 1.04 but if not, that's probably what I'd do. No reason to add RB and let the odometer start while you're still putting your team together.

[stoneghost28]

I overpaid to jump from 1.7 to 1.6 before I figured people would realize the sharp tier break that could exist there. I would be a person that would be open in my own league to moving up to 1.4, and am also curious on what a consensus fair valuation would be. In this league I traded the 1.7, the 2.6, and an '18 4th and '19 3rd to move up to 1.6. I just did not want to be in a situation where Fournette, Cook, McCaffrey, Mixon, Davis and Williams were off the board, and I had to decide on what player I'd be reaching on if I couldn't trade down (because I fundamentally disagree w/the players that are currently locked in at 1.7 and 1.8 in terms of ADP) and other than probably Godwin, I consider the players available between 1.7 and around 2.6 fairly identical in value other than the Big 3 at TE who are a clear tier break above and should be expected to be gone by around 2.1 or 2.2).

In my position, I'd love to move my 1.6 and a piece or pieces to lock in the 1.4, but I am curious about what assets of mine it would take in terms of picks. Currently I have 1.1, 1.3, 1.6, 1.9, 1.10, 2.1, 2.3, 2.5, 2.7, 2.8, 2.9 across rounds 1 and 2 with this orphan squad. Would love to come out of round 1 and 2 with 3 of my top 5 rated guys, a couple of elite TE prospects and some nice speculative upside RB and WR selections in rounds 2 and 3.

[Mephistopheles]

I overpaid to jump from 1.7 to 1.6 before I figured people would realize the sharp tier break that could exist there. I would be a person that would be open in my own league to moving up to 1.4, and am also curious on what a consensus fair valuation would be. In this league I traded the 1.7, the 2.6, and an '18 4th and '19 3rd to move up to 1.6. I just did not want to be in a situation where Fournette, Cook, McCaffrey, Mixon, Davis and Williams were off the board, and I had to decide on what player I'd be reaching on if I couldn't trade down (because I fundamentally disagree w/the players that are currently locked in at 1.7 and 1.8 in terms of ADP) and other than probably Godwin, I consider the players available between 1.7 and around 2.6 fairly identical in value other than the Big 3 at TE who are a clear tier break above and should be expected to be gone by around 2.1 or 2.2).

In my position, I'd love to move my 1.6 and a piece or pieces to lock in the 1.4, but I am curious about what assets of mine it would take in terms of picks. Currently I have 1.1, 1.3, 1.6, 1.9, 1.10, 2.1, 2.3, 2.5, 2.7, 2.8, 2.9 across rounds 1 and 2 with this orphan squad. Would love to come out of round 1 and 2 with 3 of my top 5 rated guys, a couple of elite TE prospects and some nice speculative upside RB and WR selections in rounds 2 and 3.

My gut feeling all along has been that I agree with what someone said earlier, a late first down to maybe an early 2nd (in a 12 team league) depending on the league would be enough for me to take that drop. In your case, maybe offer the 2.1 but be ready to give the 1.10.

A lot of guys trying to talk it down as "only 2 spots" or "only 1 spot", but there's huge difference between having a choice at 1.4 versus not having a choice and essentially taking whatever is left over at 1.6. That choice has a lot of value, especially with Mike Williams being so strongly devalued by a lot of fantasy owners. If I'm an owner that does not want Williams (or any other player in the considered top 6), but at 1.6 I'll likely be left with him, there's no way in hell I'm not getting highly compensated for that drop.

[vixen]

my guess is that after the NFL draft, there will also be a clear #7....i have pick 1.05 and would certainly not give up an 18 1st to move up to the 1.04...(i wouldn't do that for the 1.06 either). i do, however, think that after the NFL draft, you will probably have an easier time because those RBs will have teams and one will probably end up in a less than favorable spot...

good luck..

[collbey]

It depends how you feel about players. Pre draft I have a tier break after 1.4 so to move down a pick or two will require another 1st but someone else may have picks 4 to 6 in the same tier. Post draft that may change.

[QuintorrisLopezJones]

IF someone really wanted to get to the tier of the top 4, MAYBE you could get a late first added to 1.6. But you're the one initiating it, meaning there is no promise that the owners of 1.5 or 1.6 really see much of a difference between their pick and yours. Yes there is an apparent tier of 4, but I also see constant debate of Mixon and McCaffrey being better than any or all of LF, Cook, Davis and Williams. For many people, they wouldn't pay much at all to move up. By reaching out to them about it, you're giving up any leverage you had of them hopefully thinking you're reluctant to sell.

[sloth8u]

I was thinking the same thing. The guys at 5 &6 are waiting to see what you do. They may not have to trade up to get their guy.

[hockeyBjj]

I have both the 5 and 6 pick. I agree with those saying that the best time to do this is when on the clock. There's too good a chance of a guy I really like dropping to the 5th for me to toss in another 1st round pick right now. But after the top 3 picks have been made, either guy could be panicking because there's only one person he feels is a cut above the rest left. Or a top 2 person has been passed on twice and is still out there when they didn't expect to have a chance at him

[Generic Username]

To piggyback on most others, I doubt the guys directly behind you in the draft are gonna pay much to move ahead a spot or 2 until league draft; they'd probably be more willing to pay for a top 2 pick right now.

After tonight, things might change...there's a pretty clear top 6, but some good and some less favorable landing spots might narrow it down from 6 to 4, thus making that jump an easier sell for you