Luck vs Cousins+

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Who would you rather?

Luck
3
13%
Cousins, 1.5, 1.6
20
87%
 
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Luck vs Cousins+

Postby knuckles50 » Sat Apr 22, 2017 4:53 pm

I co-own team 1 and my partner says to offer Luck for Cousins, 1.5, and 1.6. I am hesitant to make an insulting offer. Am I wrong?
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QBs-Brees,Luck,Bridgewater
RBs- LeVeon,Ingram,R. Freeman,Thompson,Riddick,Conner,Walton,J. Jackson,Dixon
WRs- Evans,A Rob,Parker,Hurns,Sutton,Pettis,Moncrief,Treadwell,Sanu,Tavon,Dorsett,Carroo
TEs- Gronk,Kittle,Butt

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Qbs- Brees,Cam,Cousins,Jackson
Rbs- Gurley,Zeke,Kamara,McCaffery,Hunt,Shady
Wrs-A. Brown,Evans,C. Davis,Watkins,Goodwin,Woods,Washington,Treadwell,Jordy
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Re: Luck vs Cousins+

Postby pierson242 » Sat Apr 22, 2017 5:57 pm

In a 1QB league yes
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Re: Luck vs Cousins+

Postby JJDubya » Sat Apr 22, 2017 6:16 pm

Cousins and the picks easily. I'd be inclined to do it for the 1.5 so this is a snap accept to me.

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Re: Luck vs Cousins+

Postby knuckles50 » Sat Apr 22, 2017 8:33 pm

Being a co-owner is tricky sometimes.
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12 team, 1/2 ppr 1 qb, 2 rbs, 3 wr, 1 flex, 1 te
QBs-Brees,Luck,Bridgewater
RBs- LeVeon,Ingram,R. Freeman,Thompson,Riddick,Conner,Walton,J. Jackson,Dixon
WRs- Evans,A Rob,Parker,Hurns,Sutton,Pettis,Moncrief,Treadwell,Sanu,Tavon,Dorsett,Carroo
TEs- Gronk,Kittle,Butt

Team 2
12 team 1 qb, 2rbs,v 3wrs, 1te
Qbs- Brees,Cam,Cousins,Jackson
Rbs- Gurley,Zeke,Kamara,McCaffery,Hunt,Shady
Wrs-A. Brown,Evans,C. Davis,Watkins,Goodwin,Woods,Washington,Treadwell,Jordy
Te- Gronk,Kittle,ASJ

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Re: Luck vs Cousins+

Postby kellysheroes » Sat Apr 22, 2017 8:34 pm

JJDubya wrote: Sat Apr 22, 2017 6:16 pm Cousins and the picks easily. I'd be inclined to do it for the 1.5 so this is a snap accept to me.
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Re: Luck vs Cousins+

Postby Chefrob1027 » Sat Apr 22, 2017 8:36 pm

It's an insulting offer for sure in a 1qb format. But hey... I've seen worse be accepted. All you can do is throw it at the wall and e what sticks. Good luck
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Re: Luck vs Cousins+

Postby BuckeyeNation » Sat Apr 22, 2017 8:56 pm

In a 1QB league I honestly wouldn't give the 1.05 alone for Luck. QB production is just too easy to come by in this format, and those that pay big for QBs hurt their teams much more often than they help their teams. This is especially true when they already have Cousins who will most likely be some type of QB1 again this season. No way I'd give up two top 6 prospects to get a QB upgrade that MIGHT amount to 2-3PPG.
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Re: Luck vs Cousins+

Postby Goddard » Sat Apr 22, 2017 9:27 pm

BuckeyeNation wrote: Sat Apr 22, 2017 8:56 pm In a 1QB league I honestly wouldn't give the 1.05 alone for Luck. QB production is just too easy to come by in this format, and those that pay big for QBs hurt their teams much more often than they help their teams. This is especially true when they already have Cousins who will most likely be some type of QB1 again this season. No way I'd give up two top 6 prospects to get a QB upgrade that MIGHT amount to 2-3PPG.
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Re: Luck vs Cousins+

Postby wildabeast49 » Sat Apr 22, 2017 10:04 pm

very insulting
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Re: Luck vs Cousins+

Postby Coogan Football » Sun Apr 23, 2017 12:28 am

Just offer it and then blame your co-owner if it comes back, worst can happen is a rejection with no counter or response
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Re: Luck vs Cousins+

Postby clarion contrarion » Sun Apr 23, 2017 2:13 am

insulting ... on what planet ? hell yes your team needs help across the board and you are not offering andy dalton or sam bradford , offer it and see what happens . If the other owner gets insulted send him some testosterone supplement and tell him to cancel his cosmopolitan subscription.
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Re: Luck vs Cousins+

Postby MEuRaH » Sun Apr 23, 2017 5:53 am

Coogan Football wrote: Sun Apr 23, 2017 12:28 am Just offer it and then blame your co-owner if it comes back, worst can happen is a rejection with no counter or response
No. Don't do this.

Whenever I get an insulting offer, I put the owner it came from in the notepad that MFL provides to remind myself never to deal with this guy if possible. There's a good 4-5 owners I've never traded with because they sent/send insulting offers and I refuse to deal with people who don't deal fairly.

Luck isn't worth that. It's not close. Don't do it.
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Re: Luck vs Cousins+

Postby Coogan Football » Sun Apr 23, 2017 10:12 am

MEuRaH wrote: Sun Apr 23, 2017 5:53 am
Coogan Football wrote: Sun Apr 23, 2017 12:28 am Just offer it and then blame your co-owner if it comes back, worst can happen is a rejection with no counter or response
No. Don't do this.

Whenever I get an insulting offer, I put the owner it came from in the notepad that MFL provides to remind myself never to deal with this guy if possible. There's a good 4-5 owners I've never traded with because they sent/send insulting offers and I refuse to deal with people who don't deal fairly.

Luck isn't worth that. It's not close. Don't do it.
If you find this offer that insulting then you probably suffer from the "problem" that CC referred to above
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Re: Luck vs Cousins+

Postby BuckeyeNation » Sun Apr 23, 2017 6:11 pm

clarion contrarion wrote: Sun Apr 23, 2017 2:13 am insulting ... on what planet ? hell yes your team needs help across the board and you are not offering andy dalton or sam bradford , offer it and see what happens . If the other owner gets insulted send him some testosterone supplement and tell him to cancel his cosmopolitan subscription.
Yeah, there's no reason for anyone to be insulted here. He'd be offering the best player in the deal and arguably the #1 dynasty QB (top 3 at worst). It's just a serious overpay. Then again I've never understood the whole idea of people feeling "insulted" by trade offers and taking them personally, but I digress.
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Re: Luck vs Cousins+

Postby pierson242 » Sun Apr 23, 2017 6:22 pm

Everyone values stuff differently. A fair deal is Luck for Cousins and the 1.05 so adding the 1.06 makes it an over pay but not insulating

Offer it
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