Will someone help talk me into this?

[Golly Dagger]

I hate Keenan Allen and I'd still take this in a heartbeat.

[M-Dub]

I've been contacted about my 1.11 in our rookie draft. He's throwing out Keenan Allen. Love his talent and situation but he cannot stay healthy. Am i crazy for saying no??? Team 1 in sig.

I think it depends on your depth chart and what's available. I think there will be a big shift in WRs this year so I stacked up last year utilizing the waiver. I have Tyrell Williams and would not trade him for Keenan Allen. Most people think that's absolutely nuts... but he's bigger, taller, faster, younger, and healthier. Keenan Allen put up monster points for half a year? Not only is it unlikely he'll put up the same points, he's rarely healthy. The following is my bench stash, and I think I'd take MOST of them before KA at 1.11: (in addition to these guys I have AJ Green)

- Kamar Aiken
- Jaron Brown
- Chris Conley
- Josh Doctson (I have B Quick too... who you could pick up at the end of your draft... at least one of them will have a monster year... assuming Cousins isn't in SF this time next week)
- Quincy Enunwa
- Marqise Lee
- Jordan Matthews
- Cameron Meredith
- Cordarrelle Patterson
- Eli Rogers

Clearly KA is rated higher than just about all of these guys. But, I think they all have a lot of upside based on their talent and situation.

AIKEN - is a stud with a chip on his shoulder and the OC remembers him when he came in as an UDFA in Buffalo (I think) and from what I've read he was even a stud at that time, plus he was the OC on another team (I think the Chiefs) when he had a monster game on them, including snagging a 50 yard TD bomb at halftime and another play of beating Marcus Peters deep.
BROWN - if you read up on him you'll find that he has been a monster Monday-Saturday on that team but has just been stuck behind Floyd (draft equity) and Fitz (last year). He has made some big time plays on Sunday but his opportunities have been limited... If he comes back healthy from his ACL though, he should have a good chance at a 800-1100 year, and then even more upside in 2018.
CONLEY - I can afford to hold him
DOCTSON/QUICK - One or both of these guys will have a monster year, simple logic on this one really -- grab them both, Doctson will be favored to get the targets (draft equity), but Quick can easily make big plays and is also simply behind Pryor/Doctson, both who have struggled with injuries.
ENUNWA - they didn't see paying Marshall 7.5 million which tells you something about Enunwa. They've been very happy with his development and Marshall's 130 targets just walked out the door. Some of those will absolutely be going to Enunwa who already had 105 in 2016.
LEE - drafted higher than AR15, finally emerged as a healthy version of himself in 2015. He was far more efficient than AR15 in 2016 -- 63/851/3 on 105 targets vs 73/883/6 on 151 targets. I'd expect it to be a coin flip between who is going to get more targets in 2017. Theoretically, if the targets were swapped Lee would have produced in the area of 88/1,191/4-5.
MATTHEWS - His value has plummeted, but he has done nothing to warrant that. Jeffery is actually his comparison when all the objective physical numbers are compared... the difference is he went into a good fantasy situation in Chicago and Matthews went into a horrific one -- limited to slot duties, surrounded by no other weapons, inconsistent coaching and QB play. Jeffery can very easily miss half of next year on top of that. Matthews advanced metrics actually compare to Jeffery, Fitzgerald, Jordy Nelson, AJ Green, and Eric Decker. If Wentz simply progresses in year 2, Matthews will most likely be a 1000 receiver, especially if Jeffery or Smith can ever command double-coverage.
MEREDITH - Clearly their #1. The GM raves about him and compares his development to Maquess Colston.
PATTERSON - Can be taken in late late rounds probably and, like Quick, has moved into a much better situation.
ROGERS - I can afford to hold him. Plus, if AB goes down he may have a chance to really go wild in his 2nd year.

I appreciate your boundless optimism, but damn, you must drive trade partners crazy with some of those valuations. Haha.

To the OP, take Keenan already.

[IR1]

KA

[AresGodOWar]

Yeah you are crazy for even asking about it Keenan is going top 20 in startups

[flyersfan1981]

I've been contacted about my 1.11 in our rookie draft. He's throwing out Keenan Allen. Love his talent and situation but he cannot stay healthy. Am i crazy for saying no??? Team 1 in sig.

I think it depends on your depth chart and what's available. I think there will be a big shift in WRs this year so I stacked up last year utilizing the waiver. I have Tyrell Williams and would not trade him for Keenan Allen. Most people think that's absolutely nuts... but he's bigger, taller, faster, younger, and healthier. Keenan Allen put up monster points for half a year? Not only is it unlikely he'll put up the same points, he's rarely healthy. The following is my bench stash, and I think I'd take MOST of them before KA at 1.11: (in addition to these guys I have AJ Green)

- Kamar Aiken
- Jaron Brown
- Chris Conley
- Josh Doctson (I have B Quick too... who you could pick up at the end of your draft... at least one of them will have a monster year... assuming Cousins isn't in SF this time next week)
- Quincy Enunwa
- Marqise Lee
- Jordan Matthews
- Cameron Meredith
- Cordarrelle Patterson
- Eli Rogers

Clearly KA is rated higher than just about all of these guys. But, I think they all have a lot of upside based on their talent and situation.

AIKEN - is a stud with a chip on his shoulder and the OC remembers him when he came in as an UDFA in Buffalo (I think) and from what I've read he was even a stud at that time, plus he was the OC on another team (I think the Chiefs) when he had a monster game on them, including snagging a 50 yard TD bomb at halftime and another play of beating Marcus Peters deep.
BROWN - if you read up on him you'll find that he has been a monster Monday-Saturday on that team but has just been stuck behind Floyd (draft equity) and Fitz (last year). He has made some big time plays on Sunday but his opportunities have been limited... If he comes back healthy from his ACL though, he should have a good chance at a 800-1100 year, and then even more upside in 2018.
CONLEY - I can afford to hold him
DOCTSON/QUICK - One or both of these guys will have a monster year, simple logic on this one really -- grab them both, Doctson will be favored to get the targets (draft equity), but Quick can easily make big plays and is also simply behind Pryor/Doctson, both who have struggled with injuries.
ENUNWA - they didn't see paying Marshall 7.5 million which tells you something about Enunwa. They've been very happy with his development and Marshall's 130 targets just walked out the door. Some of those will absolutely be going to Enunwa who already had 105 in 2016.
LEE - drafted higher than AR15, finally emerged as a healthy version of himself in 2015. He was far more efficient than AR15 in 2016 -- 63/851/3 on 105 targets vs 73/883/6 on 151 targets. I'd expect it to be a coin flip between who is going to get more targets in 2017. Theoretically, if the targets were swapped Lee would have produced in the area of 88/1,191/4-5.
MATTHEWS - His value has plummeted, but he has done nothing to warrant that. Jeffery is actually his comparison when all the objective physical numbers are compared... the difference is he went into a good fantasy situation in Chicago and Matthews went into a horrific one -- limited to slot duties, surrounded by no other weapons, inconsistent coaching and QB play. Jeffery can very easily miss half of next year on top of that. Matthews advanced metrics actually compare to Jeffery, Fitzgerald, Jordy Nelson, AJ Green, and Eric Decker. If Wentz simply progresses in year 2, Matthews will most likely be a 1000 receiver, especially if Jeffery or Smith can ever command double-coverage.
MEREDITH - Clearly their #1. The GM raves about him and compares his development to Maquess Colston.
PATTERSON - Can be taken in late late rounds probably and, like Quick, has moved into a much better situation.
ROGERS - I can afford to hold him. Plus, if AB goes down he may have a chance to really go wild in his 2nd year.

A lot more to being an NFL WR than being big, fast, and tall...DGB is biggest, faster, and taller, too...did you for get to add him to your list?

Let me try and put this in as nice a way as possible if you believe this...you are an idiot!

[The.Big.Spank]

If you need to be talked into this trade you should consider quitting fantasy football, at least quiting dynasty

[skip]

I've been contacted about my 1.11 in our rookie draft. He's throwing out Keenan Allen. Love his talent and situation but he cannot stay healthy. Am i crazy for saying no??? Team 1 in sig.

I think it depends on your depth chart and what's available. I think there will be a big shift in WRs this year so I stacked up last year utilizing the waiver. I have Tyrell Williams and would not trade him for Keenan Allen. Most people think that's absolutely nuts... but he's bigger, taller, faster, younger, and healthier. Keenan Allen put up monster points for half a year? Not only is it unlikely he'll put up the same points, he's rarely healthy. The following is my bench stash, and I think I'd take MOST of them before KA at 1.11: (in addition to these guys I have AJ Green)

- Kamar Aiken
- Jaron Brown
- Chris Conley
- Josh Doctson (I have B Quick too... who you could pick up at the end of your draft... at least one of them will have a monster year... assuming Cousins isn't in SF this time next week)
- Quincy Enunwa
- Marqise Lee
- Jordan Matthews
- Cameron Meredith
- Cordarrelle Patterson
- Eli Rogers

Clearly KA is rated higher than just about all of these guys. But, I think they all have a lot of upside based on their talent and situation.

AIKEN - is a stud with a chip on his shoulder and the OC remembers him when he came in as an UDFA in Buffalo (I think) and from what I've read he was even a stud at that time, plus he was the OC on another team (I think the Chiefs) when he had a monster game on them, including snagging a 50 yard TD bomb at halftime and another play of beating Marcus Peters deep.
BROWN - if you read up on him you'll find that he has been a monster Monday-Saturday on that team but has just been stuck behind Floyd (draft equity) and Fitz (last year). He has made some big time plays on Sunday but his opportunities have been limited... If he comes back healthy from his ACL though, he should have a good chance at a 800-1100 year, and then even more upside in 2018.
CONLEY - I can afford to hold him
DOCTSON/QUICK - One or both of these guys will have a monster year, simple logic on this one really -- grab them both, Doctson will be favored to get the targets (draft equity), but Quick can easily make big plays and is also simply behind Pryor/Doctson, both who have struggled with injuries.
ENUNWA - they didn't see paying Marshall 7.5 million which tells you something about Enunwa. They've been very happy with his development and Marshall's 130 targets just walked out the door. Some of those will absolutely be going to Enunwa who already had 105 in 2016.
LEE - drafted higher than AR15, finally emerged as a healthy version of himself in 2015. He was far more efficient than AR15 in 2016 -- 63/851/3 on 105 targets vs 73/883/6 on 151 targets. I'd expect it to be a coin flip between who is going to get more targets in 2017. Theoretically, if the targets were swapped Lee would have produced in the area of 88/1,191/4-5.
MATTHEWS - His value has plummeted, but he has done nothing to warrant that. Jeffery is actually his comparison when all the objective physical numbers are compared... the difference is he went into a good fantasy situation in Chicago and Matthews went into a horrific one -- limited to slot duties, surrounded by no other weapons, inconsistent coaching and QB play. Jeffery can very easily miss half of next year on top of that. Matthews advanced metrics actually compare to Jeffery, Fitzgerald, Jordy Nelson, AJ Green, and Eric Decker. If Wentz simply progresses in year 2, Matthews will most likely be a 1000 receiver, especially if Jeffery or Smith can ever command double-coverage.
MEREDITH - Clearly their #1. The GM raves about him and compares his development to Maquess Colston.
PATTERSON - Can be taken in late late rounds probably and, like Quick, has moved into a much better situation.
ROGERS - I can afford to hold him. Plus, if AB goes down he may have a chance to really go wild in his 2nd year.

I appreciate your boundless optimism, but damn, you must drive trade partners crazy with some of those valuations. Haha.

To the OP, take Keenan already.

That was the kind of post that a trade partner just wouldn't take seriously. There are options on there who shouldn't even be rostered in shallower leagues and borderline in larger ones (like Jaron Brown and Eli Rogers).

[M-Dub]

I think it depends on your depth chart and what's available. I think there will be a big shift in WRs this year so I stacked up last year utilizing the waiver. I have Tyrell Williams and would not trade him for Keenan Allen. Most people think that's absolutely nuts... but he's bigger, taller, faster, younger, and healthier. Keenan Allen put up monster points for half a year? Not only is it unlikely he'll put up the same points, he's rarely healthy. The following is my bench stash, and I think I'd take MOST of them before KA at 1.11: (in addition to these guys I have AJ Green)

- Kamar Aiken
- Jaron Brown
- Chris Conley
- Josh Doctson (I have B Quick too... who you could pick up at the end of your draft... at least one of them will have a monster year... assuming Cousins isn't in SF this time next week)
- Quincy Enunwa
- Marqise Lee
- Jordan Matthews
- Cameron Meredith
- Cordarrelle Patterson
- Eli Rogers

Clearly KA is rated higher than just about all of these guys. But, I think they all have a lot of upside based on their talent and situation.

AIKEN - is a stud with a chip on his shoulder and the OC remembers him when he came in as an UDFA in Buffalo (I think) and from what I've read he was even a stud at that time, plus he was the OC on another team (I think the Chiefs) when he had a monster game on them, including snagging a 50 yard TD bomb at halftime and another play of beating Marcus Peters deep.
BROWN - if you read up on him you'll find that he has been a monster Monday-Saturday on that team but has just been stuck behind Floyd (draft equity) and Fitz (last year). He has made some big time plays on Sunday but his opportunities have been limited... If he comes back healthy from his ACL though, he should have a good chance at a 800-1100 year, and then even more upside in 2018.
CONLEY - I can afford to hold him
DOCTSON/QUICK - One or both of these guys will have a monster year, simple logic on this one really -- grab them both, Doctson will be favored to get the targets (draft equity), but Quick can easily make big plays and is also simply behind Pryor/Doctson, both who have struggled with injuries.
ENUNWA - they didn't see paying Marshall 7.5 million which tells you something about Enunwa. They've been very happy with his development and Marshall's 130 targets just walked out the door. Some of those will absolutely be going to Enunwa who already had 105 in 2016.
LEE - drafted higher than AR15, finally emerged as a healthy version of himself in 2015. He was far more efficient than AR15 in 2016 -- 63/851/3 on 105 targets vs 73/883/6 on 151 targets. I'd expect it to be a coin flip between who is going to get more targets in 2017. Theoretically, if the targets were swapped Lee would have produced in the area of 88/1,191/4-5.
MATTHEWS - His value has plummeted, but he has done nothing to warrant that. Jeffery is actually his comparison when all the objective physical numbers are compared... the difference is he went into a good fantasy situation in Chicago and Matthews went into a horrific one -- limited to slot duties, surrounded by no other weapons, inconsistent coaching and QB play. Jeffery can very easily miss half of next year on top of that. Matthews advanced metrics actually compare to Jeffery, Fitzgerald, Jordy Nelson, AJ Green, and Eric Decker. If Wentz simply progresses in year 2, Matthews will most likely be a 1000 receiver, especially if Jeffery or Smith can ever command double-coverage.
MEREDITH - Clearly their #1. The GM raves about him and compares his development to Maquess Colston.
PATTERSON - Can be taken in late late rounds probably and, like Quick, has moved into a much better situation.
ROGERS - I can afford to hold him. Plus, if AB goes down he may have a chance to really go wild in his 2nd year.

I appreciate your boundless optimism, but damn, you must drive trade partners crazy with some of those valuations. Haha.

To the OP, take Keenan already.

That was the kind of post that a trade partner just wouldn't take seriously. There are options on there who shouldn't even be rostered in shallower leagues and borderline in larger ones (like Jaron Brown and Eli Rogers).

Right?? There's inevitably a dude in every league who just ridiculously overvalues everyone on his roster, but I've never seen someone just spew it all out there on a message board, completely unsolicited. Haha.

[crisdecamposmd]

I've been contacted about my 1.11 in our rookie draft. He's throwing out Keenan Allen. Love his talent and situation but he cannot stay healthy. Am i crazy for saying no??? Team 1 in sig.

I think it depends on your depth chart and what's available. I think there will be a big shift in WRs this year so I stacked up last year utilizing the waiver. I have Tyrell Williams and would not trade him for Keenan Allen. Most people think that's absolutely nuts... but he's bigger, taller, faster, younger, and healthier. Keenan Allen put up monster points for half a year? Not only is it unlikely he'll put up the same points, he's rarely healthy. The following is my bench stash, and I think I'd take MOST of them before KA at 1.11: (in addition to these guys I have AJ Green)

- Kamar Aiken
- Jaron Brown
- Chris Conley
- Josh Doctson (I have B Quick too... who you could pick up at the end of your draft... at least one of them will have a monster year... assuming Cousins isn't in SF this time next week)
- Quincy Enunwa
- Marqise Lee
- Jordan Matthews
- Cameron Meredith
- Cordarrelle Patterson
- Eli Rogers

Clearly KA is rated higher than just about all of these guys. But, I think they all have a lot of upside based on their talent and situation.

AIKEN - is a stud with a chip on his shoulder and the OC remembers him when he came in as an UDFA in Buffalo (I think) and from what I've read he was even a stud at that time, plus he was the OC on another team (I think the Chiefs) when he had a monster game on them, including snagging a 50 yard TD bomb at halftime and another play of beating Marcus Peters deep.
BROWN - if you read up on him you'll find that he has been a monster Monday-Saturday on that team but has just been stuck behind Floyd (draft equity) and Fitz (last year). He has made some big time plays on Sunday but his opportunities have been limited... If he comes back healthy from his ACL though, he should have a good chance at a 800-1100 year, and then even more upside in 2018.
CONLEY - I can afford to hold him
DOCTSON/QUICK - One or both of these guys will have a monster year, simple logic on this one really -- grab them both, Doctson will be favored to get the targets (draft equity), but Quick can easily make big plays and is also simply behind Pryor/Doctson, both who have struggled with injuries.
ENUNWA - they didn't see paying Marshall 7.5 million which tells you something about Enunwa. They've been very happy with his development and Marshall's 130 targets just walked out the door. Some of those will absolutely be going to Enunwa who already had 105 in 2016.
LEE - drafted higher than AR15, finally emerged as a healthy version of himself in 2015. He was far more efficient than AR15 in 2016 -- 63/851/3 on 105 targets vs 73/883/6 on 151 targets. I'd expect it to be a coin flip between who is going to get more targets in 2017. Theoretically, if the targets were swapped Lee would have produced in the area of 88/1,191/4-5.
MATTHEWS - His value has plummeted, but he has done nothing to warrant that. Jeffery is actually his comparison when all the objective physical numbers are compared... the difference is he went into a good fantasy situation in Chicago and Matthews went into a horrific one -- limited to slot duties, surrounded by no other weapons, inconsistent coaching and QB play. Jeffery can very easily miss half of next year on top of that. Matthews advanced metrics actually compare to Jeffery, Fitzgerald, Jordy Nelson, AJ Green, and Eric Decker. If Wentz simply progresses in year 2, Matthews will most likely be a 1000 receiver, especially if Jeffery or Smith can ever command double-coverage.
MEREDITH - Clearly their #1. The GM raves about him and compares his development to Maquess Colston.
PATTERSON - Can be taken in late late rounds probably and, like Quick, has moved into a much better situation.
ROGERS - I can afford to hold him. Plus, if AB goes down he may have a chance to really go wild in his 2nd year.

I appreciate your boundless optimism, but damn, you must drive trade partners crazy with some of those valuations. Haha.

To the OP, take Keenan already.

LOL!!! I totally do.

[flyersfan1981]

I think it depends on your depth chart and what's available. I think there will be a big shift in WRs this year so I stacked up last year utilizing the waiver. I have Tyrell Williams and would not trade him for Keenan Allen. Most people think that's absolutely nuts... but he's bigger, taller, faster, younger, and healthier. Keenan Allen put up monster points for half a year? Not only is it unlikely he'll put up the same points, he's rarely healthy. The following is my bench stash, and I think I'd take MOST of them before KA at 1.11: (in addition to these guys I have AJ Green)

- Kamar Aiken
- Jaron Brown
- Chris Conley
- Josh Doctson (I have B Quick too... who you could pick up at the end of your draft... at least one of them will have a monster year... assuming Cousins isn't in SF this time next week)
- Quincy Enunwa
- Marqise Lee
- Jordan Matthews
- Cameron Meredith
- Cordarrelle Patterson
- Eli Rogers

Clearly KA is rated higher than just about all of these guys. But, I think they all have a lot of upside based on their talent and situation.

AIKEN - is a stud with a chip on his shoulder and the OC remembers him when he came in as an UDFA in Buffalo (I think) and from what I've read he was even a stud at that time, plus he was the OC on another team (I think the Chiefs) when he had a monster game on them, including snagging a 50 yard TD bomb at halftime and another play of beating Marcus Peters deep.
BROWN - if you read up on him you'll find that he has been a monster Monday-Saturday on that team but has just been stuck behind Floyd (draft equity) and Fitz (last year). He has made some big time plays on Sunday but his opportunities have been limited... If he comes back healthy from his ACL though, he should have a good chance at a 800-1100 year, and then even more upside in 2018.
CONLEY - I can afford to hold him
DOCTSON/QUICK - One or both of these guys will have a monster year, simple logic on this one really -- grab them both, Doctson will be favored to get the targets (draft equity), but Quick can easily make big plays and is also simply behind Pryor/Doctson, both who have struggled with injuries.
ENUNWA - they didn't see paying Marshall 7.5 million which tells you something about Enunwa. They've been very happy with his development and Marshall's 130 targets just walked out the door. Some of those will absolutely be going to Enunwa who already had 105 in 2016.
LEE - drafted higher than AR15, finally emerged as a healthy version of himself in 2015. He was far more efficient than AR15 in 2016 -- 63/851/3 on 105 targets vs 73/883/6 on 151 targets. I'd expect it to be a coin flip between who is going to get more targets in 2017. Theoretically, if the targets were swapped Lee would have produced in the area of 88/1,191/4-5.
MATTHEWS - His value has plummeted, but he has done nothing to warrant that. Jeffery is actually his comparison when all the objective physical numbers are compared... the difference is he went into a good fantasy situation in Chicago and Matthews went into a horrific one -- limited to slot duties, surrounded by no other weapons, inconsistent coaching and QB play. Jeffery can very easily miss half of next year on top of that. Matthews advanced metrics actually compare to Jeffery, Fitzgerald, Jordy Nelson, AJ Green, and Eric Decker. If Wentz simply progresses in year 2, Matthews will most likely be a 1000 receiver, especially if Jeffery or Smith can ever command double-coverage.
MEREDITH - Clearly their #1. The GM raves about him and compares his development to Maquess Colston.
PATTERSON - Can be taken in late late rounds probably and, like Quick, has moved into a much better situation.
ROGERS - I can afford to hold him. Plus, if AB goes down he may have a chance to really go wild in his 2nd year.

I appreciate your boundless optimism, but damn, you must drive trade partners crazy with some of those valuations. Haha.

To the OP, take Keenan already.

LOL!!! I totally do.

LOL...that's not a good thing. Just reading your thought process had me wanting to bash my head in my door, can't imagine actually having to negotiate with you...

[hockeyBjj]

As an Allen owner, take him. No way I'd trade him away for the 11th pick. What WR are you going to get for that? Curtis Samuel? Carlos Henderson?

[Ray Finkle]

This is a funny thread. Once I read the the guy's post with his evaluation of his roster, I knew it would trigger some reaction.

To the OP, take the trade. Even if YOU truly value the 1.11 or the other guy would truly value Eli Rogers, Jaron Brown, Tom Waddle or whoever more than Keenan, you should still make the trade because everybody else in your league and the planet values Keenan more. Then you'll be able to flip Keenan.

I prefer driving Chevy pickups to Dodge pickups. If someone wants to trade a 2015 Ram to me for my '02 Silverado, I'm taking the deal even though I truly value my truck more. Then there would be a for sale sign slapped on the Dodge that same day.

[crisdecamposmd]

I appreciate your boundless optimism, but damn, you must drive trade partners crazy with some of those valuations. Haha.

To the OP, take Keenan already.

LOL!!! I totally do.

LOL...that's not a good thing. Just reading your thought process had me wanting to bash my head in my door, can't imagine actually having to negotiate with you...

I don't care about how much people enjoy negotiating with me really. I'm more concerned with how good my team is and where my players will be in 3 years (this is dynasty league concept I have). Again, my league points are weighted towards WRs that get a lot of targets + opportunity for big plays. The sad fact is that I have a top 5 QB, the #1 TE, the #1 WR (if we are going by points per game... not ADP), and 3 other WRs that averaged top 25 the last 4 weeks of the season.

BUT, if you disagree with any of the comments I made with each player, I'd love to hear your logical reasoning.