Sammy Watkins for Picks++

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Sammy Watkins
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2018 1st (projected early), 2018 1st (projected mid), 2.03, Doug Martin
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Sammy Watkins for Picks++

Postby snaps06 » Sun Apr 16, 2017 7:37 pm

This trade would be for a team I recently took over in a MASSIVE rebuild and was offered to me. I'm looking for a young WR to anchor my team around, and I think Sammy could do that. The problem: I'm trying to acquire as many picks as possible (I was left with basically nothing for picks, or any young assets in general) and this is unloading both of my 1st round picks for me next year. I had just acquired one of them, along with Eifert and Kevin White. This is for team 3 in my sig, full PPR, 0.2/rush, QB RB RB WR WR WR TE Flex starting reqs.

I'm considering countering by dropping either one of the 2018 1sts or 2.03.
Team 1: 12-Team 0.5 PPR '16 & '17 3rd, '20 2nd Place
REBUILD STARTED 2019
QB RB RB WR WR TE Flex Flex Flex
Kyler,Stafford,Herbert
Zeke,Sanders,Swift,Moss,Robinson,Mattison,Gio
Cooper,Juju,AJB,Reagor,Ruggs,Mims,Kirk,Bateman,Moore
Kelce,Henry
2022: 2,3,4

Team 2: 12-Team 0.5 PPR '17 & '20 2nd Place
QB RB RB WR WR TE Flex Flex
Rodgers,Stafford
Zeke,Conner,Robinson,Dillon,CEvans,Mattison,Edmonds,Davis
Hopkins,Thomas,Woods,Cooks,Toney,MWilliams,
Kittle,Henry,Freier
2022:1,1,2,3,4

Team 3: 14-Team SF,PPR,0.25/rush '18 3rd Place, 2020 Champ :dance:
QB RB RB WR WR TE Flex Flex Flex SFlex
Cousins,Kyler,Carr,Trask
Jacobs,Gibson,Robinson,LMurray,Ingram,Moss,Gio,SScott
Evans,Nuk,DJM,Boyd,Davis
Fant,Hooper,Gronk
2022:2,4
2023:1,1,2,3,4

Team 4: 12-TeamSF,0.5PPR,TE1PPR 2020 Champ :dance:
QB RB RB WR WR WR TE FLEX FLEX SFlex
Allen,Tanny,Cam,MacJones
Taylor,Akers,Montgomery,Gibson,Robinson,Harris,McKissic,SScott
DKM,Evans,Juju,Cooks,MWilliams,Trequan
Engram,Hurst,Gronk,Long

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Re: Sammy Watkins for Picks++

Postby Goddard » Sun Apr 16, 2017 7:43 pm

In your situation, I'd keep the picks. If you're able to remove one of the 1sts, then I'd do it, but it might not get accepted for that.

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Re: Sammy Watkins for Picks++

Postby snaps06 » Sun Apr 16, 2017 7:51 pm

Goddard wrote: Sun Apr 16, 2017 7:43 pm In your situation, I'd keep the picks. If you're able to remove one of the 1sts, then I'd do it, but it might not get accepted for that.
That's what I was thinking. If the team I inherited wasn't in shambles, I'd consider it more deeply. My objective is to acquire as many assets as possible, and this reduces my assets greatly IMO. The team is in a multi-year rebuild, and while the trade may be somewhat close in a vacuum, I feel like my situation says "DON'T DO IT!"
Team 1: 12-Team 0.5 PPR '16 & '17 3rd, '20 2nd Place
REBUILD STARTED 2019
QB RB RB WR WR TE Flex Flex Flex
Kyler,Stafford,Herbert
Zeke,Sanders,Swift,Moss,Robinson,Mattison,Gio
Cooper,Juju,AJB,Reagor,Ruggs,Mims,Kirk,Bateman,Moore
Kelce,Henry
2022: 2,3,4

Team 2: 12-Team 0.5 PPR '17 & '20 2nd Place
QB RB RB WR WR TE Flex Flex
Rodgers,Stafford
Zeke,Conner,Robinson,Dillon,CEvans,Mattison,Edmonds,Davis
Hopkins,Thomas,Woods,Cooks,Toney,MWilliams,
Kittle,Henry,Freier
2022:1,1,2,3,4

Team 3: 14-Team SF,PPR,0.25/rush '18 3rd Place, 2020 Champ :dance:
QB RB RB WR WR TE Flex Flex Flex SFlex
Cousins,Kyler,Carr,Trask
Jacobs,Gibson,Robinson,LMurray,Ingram,Moss,Gio,SScott
Evans,Nuk,DJM,Boyd,Davis
Fant,Hooper,Gronk
2022:2,4
2023:1,1,2,3,4

Team 4: 12-TeamSF,0.5PPR,TE1PPR 2020 Champ :dance:
QB RB RB WR WR WR TE FLEX FLEX SFlex
Allen,Tanny,Cam,MacJones
Taylor,Akers,Montgomery,Gibson,Robinson,Harris,McKissic,SScott
DKM,Evans,Juju,Cooks,MWilliams,Trequan
Engram,Hurst,Gronk,Long

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Re: Sammy Watkins for Picks++

Postby lukkynumber13 » Sun Apr 16, 2017 10:59 pm

Watkins is a perfect asset to acquire if one is in a true rebuild. This is cheap for him. I want the Watkins side for sure
TEAM A - 12T (22 R/U, 20 R/U, 19 R/U, 18 Champ, 17 R/U)
HERBERT, Baker
BIJAN/KAMARA/MIXON, A Jones
HILL/AJB/DK/G WILSON/D Adams, Pittman, Z Flowers, Evans
KITTLE
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TEAM B - 16T, SF, TEP (22 R/U)
HURTS/MINSHEW, Cousins, D Jones
JT/JACOBS, Mostert, Gus E
HILL/MCLAURIN/DEEBO
KELCE/KITTLE, LaPorta
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TEAM C - 14T, SF (Joined in 22)
GENO
HENRY/A JONES, Gus E
HILL/DIGGS/K ALLEN
WALLER
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TEAM D - 14T, 1QB (Joined in 22)
MAHOMES, Goff
BIJAN/BREECE/POLLARD
CHASE/DIGGS/G WILSON/AIYUK, DJM, Pittman
KITTLE, Goedert
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TEAM E - 14T, SF, 2TE (Started in 22)
MAHOMES/T-LAW, Carr
BIJAN/CMC/SAQUON/POLLARD, Hall
HILL/AIYUK/EVANS/GODWIN, Hollywood, Thielen
MCBRIDE/ENGRAM, Goedert, Chig
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TEAM F - 16T (Joined in 23)
R WILSON, Minshew
SAQUON/KAMARA/MIXON, Monty
DIGGS/GODWIN/AIYUK/EVANS, Thielen, A Cooper
KELCE, Schultz
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TEAM G - 12T, SF & TEP (Joined in 23)
HERBERT/TUA, Kyler
BIJAN/MIXON, Spears, J Warren
JJ/G WILSON/WADDLE/OLAVE, Godwin, J Reed
LAPORTA

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Re: Sammy Watkins for Picks++

Postby Chandler Bing » Mon Apr 17, 2017 5:42 am

Watkins for me also

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Re: Sammy Watkins for Picks++

Postby snaps06 » Mon Apr 17, 2017 7:06 am

lukkynumber13 wrote: Sun Apr 16, 2017 10:59 pm Watkins is a perfect asset to acquire if one is in a true rebuild. This is cheap for him. I want the Watkins side for sure
I normally agree, but here is my squad pre-trade:

Newton, Brees

D Martin, A Peterson, A Morris, Asiata, Chris Johnson

L Fitzgerald, K White, Hurns, Aikan, Amendola, R Higgins, J Janis

Eifert, Hooper, Doyle

2017 Picks: 2.03, 3.03, 4.03
2018 Picks: 1, 1, and 2

Post-trade it would be:

Newton, Brees

A Peterson, A Morris, Asiata, Chris Johnson

Sammy, L Fitzgerald, K White, Hurns, Aikan, Amendola, R Higgins, J Janis

Eifert, Hooper, Doyle

2017 Picks: 3.03, 3.05, 4.03
2018 Picks: 2

If I were to execute this trade, I'll need to flip Newton, Brees, Fitz, and Hurns (which I'm already trying to do) for as much as possible, because I've got no high-end picks left, and literally zero RBs with any sort of upside.
Team 1: 12-Team 0.5 PPR '16 & '17 3rd, '20 2nd Place
REBUILD STARTED 2019
QB RB RB WR WR TE Flex Flex Flex
Kyler,Stafford,Herbert
Zeke,Sanders,Swift,Moss,Robinson,Mattison,Gio
Cooper,Juju,AJB,Reagor,Ruggs,Mims,Kirk,Bateman,Moore
Kelce,Henry
2022: 2,3,4

Team 2: 12-Team 0.5 PPR '17 & '20 2nd Place
QB RB RB WR WR TE Flex Flex
Rodgers,Stafford
Zeke,Conner,Robinson,Dillon,CEvans,Mattison,Edmonds,Davis
Hopkins,Thomas,Woods,Cooks,Toney,MWilliams,
Kittle,Henry,Freier
2022:1,1,2,3,4

Team 3: 14-Team SF,PPR,0.25/rush '18 3rd Place, 2020 Champ :dance:
QB RB RB WR WR TE Flex Flex Flex SFlex
Cousins,Kyler,Carr,Trask
Jacobs,Gibson,Robinson,LMurray,Ingram,Moss,Gio,SScott
Evans,Nuk,DJM,Boyd,Davis
Fant,Hooper,Gronk
2022:2,4
2023:1,1,2,3,4

Team 4: 12-TeamSF,0.5PPR,TE1PPR 2020 Champ :dance:
QB RB RB WR WR WR TE FLEX FLEX SFlex
Allen,Tanny,Cam,MacJones
Taylor,Akers,Montgomery,Gibson,Robinson,Harris,McKissic,SScott
DKM,Evans,Juju,Cooks,MWilliams,Trequan
Engram,Hurst,Gronk,Long

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Re: Sammy Watkins for Picks++

Postby Payton34 » Mon Apr 17, 2017 7:33 am

Keep the picks... You aren't going to compete this season and two 1sts in 2018 is a good place to start rebuilding IMO... Try shopping one of your QBs to acquire a pick THIS season maybe? Is there a team that might give a good pick for Brees coming off the year he had?
12 teams, 6pts all TDs, 1/2 pt PPR. 1QB, 1RB, 2WR, 1TE, 1K, 1D, 2 FLEX RB/WR/TE

QBs - P Mahomes, Tua Tagovailoa
RBs - Bijan, J Jacobs, K Walker, B Hall,
WRs - AJ Brown, J Waddle, DJ Moore, T Higgins, D London, Smith-Njigba, J Downs, M Wilson, AT Perry
TEs - D Kincaid, Musgrave
Ks - Boswell, McPherson
Ds - Texans, Jets

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Re: Sammy Watkins for Picks++

Postby snaps06 » Mon Apr 17, 2017 7:41 am

Payton34 wrote: Mon Apr 17, 2017 7:33 am Keep the picks... You aren't going to compete this season and two 1sts in 2018 is a good place to start rebuilding IMO... Try shopping one of your QBs to acquire a pick THIS season maybe? Is there a team that might give a good pick for Brees coming off the year he had?
Brees is one I've been pushing hard. I'm trying to get a late 1st this year or a 2018 1st for him. If it was a superflex league he'd probably be gone already. I've also offered Cam for the 1.8 and a 2018 1st to an elite-QB needy team. I'm also trying small package deals with Larry (Larry and the 2.03 for a late 1st/2018 1st and the like) trying to sell one more solid WR1/2 season.

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Re: Sammy Watkins for Picks++

Postby auggiedoggies » Mon Apr 17, 2017 8:37 am

Hold onto the picks. Honestly, the chances of Sammy's value increasing over 2 1sts just isn't that great. No matter how awesome of a season he has in 2017, people are always going to have the injury thing in the back of their mind. You're buying him a lot closer to his peak value than people will care to admit.
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Re: Sammy Watkins for Picks++

Postby hawk2119 » Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:25 am

watkins risk/reward is something i wouldnt want to build a team around. In your case id hold the picks.

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Re: Sammy Watkins for Picks++

Postby dipANDglide » Mon Apr 17, 2017 2:31 pm

If you can find a way to keep your 2018 first and flip other assets, I'd buy Watkins and build around him. Watkins plus your likely early '18 first would be nice building blocks for the future.

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Re: Sammy Watkins for Picks++

Postby Coogan Football » Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:32 am

lukkynumber13 wrote: Sun Apr 16, 2017 10:59 pm Watkins is a perfect asset to acquire if one is in a true rebuild. This is cheap for him. I want the Watkins side for sure
Agree, plus he's still just 23
12 team 6pts all TDs/.5ppr/SFlex/ balanced IDP, scoring est. 2008
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3x Champion 2015, 2016, 2017
QB: Brees, Luck, Prescott, McCarron, C.Kelly, Peterman
RB: Elliott, Gurley, Hunt, Kamara, Gordon, Howard, McCaffrey, J.Williams,
WR: Julio, Hopkins, M.Thomas, TY, Watkins, Kupp, C.Davis, Thomas (LA), Carroo, Switzer, Tr. Taylor
TE: Olsen, Engram, Howard, Fleener, Swoope
DL: Watt, Mack, C.Jordan, Bosa, D.Hunter, Clowney, Armstead
LB: Kuechly, Ogletree, Mosley, McKinney, R.Foster, Bucannon, Z.Cunningham, Anzalone, ShaqT,
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