1.03 & 2.02 or Coleman & H.Henry

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Re: 1.03 & 2.02 or Coleman & H.Henry

Postby Goddard » Mon Apr 03, 2017 9:23 am

Based on market value, the players are worth more. However, as a few others have stated earlier, I'm not as high on Coleman so wouldn't fault anyone for taking the picks. I think Corey Davis, who is the favorite to go at 1.03, is probably much more talented than Coleman and should end up in a better situation. Henry should be worth a mid/late 1st, so the 2.02 is obviously not worth it. But if you think the gap between the 1.03 and Coleman is enough to close the gap between Henry and the 2.02, it might be fair.

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Re: 1.03 & 2.02 or Coleman & H.Henry

Postby Martpe » Mon Apr 03, 2017 11:31 am

vbbish wrote: Sat Apr 01, 2017 9:57 am Thanks guys. This is exactly my thoughts.

And I am VERY high on Henry. I see Coleman worth 1.03 & Henry about 1.06
Close to my assessment also. Only slightly lower as 1.04 and 1.07...
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Re: 1.03 & 2.02 or Coleman & H.Henry

Postby flyersfan1981 » Mon Apr 03, 2017 1:50 pm

vbbish wrote: Mon Apr 03, 2017 9:11 am Would a 2018 2nd sway anyone in favor of the picks??
Well I like that side anyway, but I can't imagine anyone that likes the players here would totally flip because of a future 2nd in a (at this point in time) shallow draft class.
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Re: 1.03 & 2.02 or Coleman & H.Henry

Postby thomasscheeks » Mon Apr 03, 2017 3:05 pm

Picks for me. Coleman hasn't proved anything yet, so 1.03 will net you a better prospect. And this draft is loaded at TE so there's a good chance you can get an equivalent player to Henry.

So basically:
1.03 > Coleman
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Re: 1.03 & 2.02 or Coleman & H.Henry

Postby vbbish » Mon Apr 03, 2017 4:48 pm

Offer is currently at 1.03, 2.02 & 2018 2nd (if he finishes top 3 it turns into a 2018 First)

Im tempted to take it
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Re: 1.03 & 2.02 or Coleman & H.Henry

Postby flyersfan1981 » Mon Apr 03, 2017 5:27 pm

vbbish wrote: Mon Apr 03, 2017 4:48 pm Offer is currently at 1.03, 2.02 & 2018 2nd (if he finishes top 3 it turns into a 2018 First)

Im tempted to take it
Please, please take this deal!! For the sanity of those of us that know the value is on the pick side!!
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Re: 1.03 & 2.02 or Coleman & H.Henry

Postby Coogan Football » Mon Apr 03, 2017 8:37 pm

flyersfan1981 wrote: Mon Apr 03, 2017 5:27 pm
vbbish wrote: Mon Apr 03, 2017 4:48 pm Offer is currently at 1.03, 2.02 & 2018 2nd (if he finishes top 3 it turns into a 2018 First)

Im tempted to take it
Please, please take this deal!! For the sanity of those of us that know the value is on the pick side!!
I agree, do it
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Re: 1.03 & 2.02 or Coleman & H.Henry

Postby Kleva1 » Mon Apr 03, 2017 8:59 pm

I don't see how the value is on the pick side. I'm all for moving Coleman but the Henry value seems off. These are both players who were (at least from my league and mocks I've seen) 1st rd investments. I don't think any of them have done anything to lower their value.

Call me crazy but this browns regime seems different. I can also see them getting garropolo in the draft after NE traded for Cooks. No picks in the top 70 and knowing garropolo walks bc Brady wants to play for the next 5 years. No way they let garropolo walk for a comp pick.
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Re: 1.03 & 2.02 or Coleman & H.Henry

Postby flyersfan1981 » Mon Apr 03, 2017 9:18 pm

Kleva1 wrote: Mon Apr 03, 2017 8:59 pm I don't see how the value is on the pick side. I'm all for moving Coleman but the Henry value seems off. These are both players who were (at least from my league and mocks I've seen) 1st rd investments. I don't think any of them have done anything to lower their value.

Call me crazy but this browns regime seems different. I can also see them getting garropolo in the draft after NE traded for Cooks. No picks in the top 70 and knowing garropolo walks bc Brady wants to play for the next 5 years. No way they let garropolo walk for a comp pick.
Hmmmm...Henry wasn't taken in the first round in one of my drafts, and a few of those are TE Premium. He was the 20th rookie of the board in August 2016, so I don't know where you are getting your information from on this one.

As for Garropolo...what evidence do we have that he is going to be some special player in this league? Is he really an upgrade over a rookie? He could very well be another in the long line of failed New England backups once they leave New England. Nobody knows...but even if he is good, what did you see from Coleman last year that inspires you to think he can be a WR1? Even a WR2? His catch percentage was abysmal...I know you can say he had trash throwing him the ball, but Pryor managed a catch rate 10 points higher, so Coleman's busted season can't be entirely blamed on the QB play. I am also bothered by Hue saying he had to leave the field late in the season when it was too cold outside for practice...are you kidding me?
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Re: 1.03 & 2.02 or Coleman & H.Henry

Postby Parker8 » Tue Apr 04, 2017 12:39 am

Even if you don't like those players I am sure your league mates value those guys over that pick. Sell the player individually for a 1st each and you'll get more value back
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Re: 1.03 & 2.02 or Coleman & H.Henry

Postby Kleva1 » Tue Apr 04, 2017 8:54 am

flyersfan1981 wrote: Mon Apr 03, 2017 9:18 pm
Kleva1 wrote: Mon Apr 03, 2017 8:59 pm I don't see how the value is on the pick side. I'm all for moving Coleman but the Henry value seems off. These are both players who were (at least from my league and mocks I've seen) 1st rd investments. I don't think any of them have done anything to lower their value.

Call me crazy but this browns regime seems different. I can also see them getting garropolo in the draft after NE traded for Cooks. No picks in the top 70 and knowing garropolo walks bc Brady wants to play for the next 5 years. No way they let garropolo walk for a comp pick.
Hmmmm...Henry wasn't taken in the first round in one of my drafts, and a few of those are TE Premium. He was the 20th rookie of the board in August 2016, so I don't know where you are getting your information from on this one.

As for Garropolo...what evidence do we have that he is going to be some special player in this league? Is he really an upgrade over a rookie? He could very well be another in the long line of failed New England backups once they leave New England. Nobody knows...but even if he is good, what did you see from Coleman last year that inspires you to think he can be a WR1? Even a WR2? His catch percentage was abysmal...I know you can say he had trash throwing him the ball, but Pryor managed a catch rate 10 points higher, so Coleman's busted season can't be entirely blamed on the QB play. I am also bothered by Hue saying he had to leave the field late in the season when it was too cold outside for practice...are you kidding me?
Yikes I rescind my comments. I completely ignored the "h" and thought we were talking about Derrick Henry.

As for Coleman I'm not the biggest believer but if you invested a first round pick I don't think it's crazy to hold out hope for him. I wouldn't say the trash throwing him the ball is an excuse. I'd just say that they went through so many qbs and with his injury it would be hard for any rookie to have consistency. I stand by my comment of I'm all for moving him though.
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