Michael Thomas vs. Allen Robinson

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Re: Michael Thomas vs. Allen Robinson

Postby thomasscheeks » Thu Mar 23, 2017 5:46 am

Considering there's too many factors at this point in time, it's probably safest to just rank them dead even.

ARob will probably never see another season like he did in 2015, and there's a good chance Thomas sees a better season than he did last year. They'll most likely meet in the middle somewhere in the long run.

Brees is old, yes, but I bet we have at least 2 more solid seasons out of him. There's no assurance that Bortles starts playing well, or they replace him with a suitable QB before NO replaces Brees with one. So if you're basing them off QB competency, you have to lean Michael. He has an elite QB in the near future, so grab him and enjoy the time with Brees, then trade him away, if that suits your fancy.

But, to give my personal opinion:
I had both on my roster and decided to trade one away to acquire 1.01. I chose to trade ARob because of their QB situations. I didn't want to trade away a receiver that I felt like was in a very good situation and keep one that was in a bad one. So I chose a "win-now" approach and kept the receiver that could help me win in the meantime, and still help me win in the future. Everything is a gamble in fantasy, so why not gamble on the player that has more upside?
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Re: Michael Thomas vs. Allen Robinson

Postby pokerplayer1000 » Thu Mar 23, 2017 5:51 am

A startup that I just did...ARob went 12th and Thomas went 14th...this was prior to cooks being traded, but even then I think they are close. ARob may be more talented but Thomas has the better situation.
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TE: Henry/Hooper/Fant
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21: 2 1sts
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TE: Ebron/Hooper/Vance/Hurst(TS)/Knox(TS)
DE: Jordan/Bosa/Lawerence
DT: Lawerence/Reader
LB: Jaylon/Martinez/Roquan/Campbell
CB: TWhite/King
S: Johnson III/Bell/Jenkins
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Re: Michael Thomas vs. Allen Robinson

Postby Ryantacular » Thu Mar 23, 2017 7:29 am

Arob for me.

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Re: Michael Thomas vs. Allen Robinson

Postby Alibaba » Tue Apr 04, 2017 3:55 pm

Arob all day does need to do it without cooks first and i am a saints fan
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Re: Michael Thomas vs. Allen Robinson

Postby The Faceless Ones » Tue Apr 04, 2017 4:07 pm

Arob for me as for Thomas losing cooks and adding Ginn takes away some appeal being that now he'll be cover by the teams best defender. Taking nothing away from his talents plus Brees has maybe like 2yrs left
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Re: Michael Thomas vs. Allen Robinson

Postby jdomer2403 » Tue Apr 04, 2017 4:27 pm

Cameron Giles wrote: Wed Mar 22, 2017 5:16 pm
tannert21 wrote: Wed Mar 22, 2017 4:37 pm I like thomas more than arob but ive never been high on arob. He came crashing down to reality last yr and i dont think hell have that killer season again, but thomas is younger and i just like his game more, but again ive never been an arob fan.
Thomas is 24 years old.
Robinson is 23 years old.

This thread has way too much recency bias.
This. I'll take Arob and not chase last years points. Robinson is the greater talent imho.

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Re: Michael Thomas vs. Allen Robinson

Postby GridironGuerilla » Tue Apr 04, 2017 4:32 pm

AR15. (Cut me some slack, I've never used that nickname before and never will again. Had to give it a shot once to see how it felt. Now I need a shower.)
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Re: Michael Thomas vs. Allen Robinson

Postby ColdZealDonkeyStrike » Tue Apr 04, 2017 6:21 pm

Robinson by about 1.07 in a normal PPR for me.
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Re: Michael Thomas vs. Allen Robinson

Postby knuckles50 » Tue Apr 04, 2017 6:53 pm

^^^^^^^^^^ You want 1.7 added to Arob for Thomas? That seems a bit much. If the gap is a 1st for either side then I'm out.
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Re: Michael Thomas vs. Allen Robinson

Postby ColdZealDonkeyStrike » Tue Apr 04, 2017 9:14 pm

knuckles50 wrote: Tue Apr 04, 2017 6:53 pm ^^^^^^^^^^ You want 1.7 added to Arob for Thomas? That seems a bit much. If the gap is a 1st for either side then I'm out.
Reverse. 1.07 + Thomas = Robinson for me. Robinson has a better top season, is younger, is a better athlete, and has done it against top corners more. Thomas has a better QB for a year or 2.
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Re: Michael Thomas vs. Allen Robinson

Postby Parker8 » Tue Apr 04, 2017 9:21 pm

Goddard wrote: Wed Mar 22, 2017 5:51 pm
Cameron Giles wrote: Wed Mar 22, 2017 5:16 pm
tannert21 wrote: Wed Mar 22, 2017 4:37 pm I like thomas more than arob but ive never been high on arob. He came crashing down to reality last yr and i dont think hell have that killer season again, but thomas is younger and i just like his game more, but again ive never been an arob fan.
Thomas is 24 years old.
Robinson is 23 years old.

This thread has way too much recency bias.
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Re: Michael Thomas vs. Allen Robinson

Postby Parker8 » Tue Apr 04, 2017 9:22 pm

Arob for me after that little bit of relative age information
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Re: Michael Thomas vs. Allen Robinson

Postby NY CAT » Tue Apr 04, 2017 11:54 pm

Arob all day long. With Cooks gone coverage will roll to . Thomas side. Arob has raw athletic ability.

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Re: Michael Thomas vs. Allen Robinson

Postby AresGodOWar » Wed Apr 05, 2017 1:59 am

Let me see MT vs CB1s before I pay a lot for him never know he could be like Adams without Nelson in 2015
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Re: Michael Thomas vs. Allen Robinson

Postby 21TD » Wed Apr 05, 2017 6:13 am

A rob should have more opportunity, but as long as brees is around i'm rolling with the saints offense.


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