Is Jordan Howard the real deal?

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Is Jordan Howard the real deal?

Postby Edgy68 » Tue Oct 25, 2016 3:26 am

If he is, seems like now is the time to make an offer. If so, for first team in sig, what player(s) would you offer? What pick is he worth?
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Re: Is Jordan Howard the real deal?

Postby jpusmc0311 » Tue Oct 25, 2016 6:17 am

I think he is.. He's going to have bad game here and there, every rookie not named Ezekiel Elliot will. The Bears don't have a passing game right now, and that's allowing other teams to focus on stopping the run. He's the guy to own in dynasty imho.
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Re: Is Jordan Howard the real deal?

Postby nyterp » Tue Oct 25, 2016 7:39 am

I am not sold. I could be wrong here, but consistently getting out performed by KaDeem Carey does not scream real deal to me. Problem is that the Bears are soooo bad it is really hard to tell with that team right now.
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Re: Is Jordan Howard the real deal?

Postby ColdZealDonkeyStrike » Tue Oct 25, 2016 8:10 am

I think he is basically David Cobb. He got all the carries against 2 bad defenses because there were no other healthy RBs on the team.
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Re: Is Jordan Howard the real deal?

Postby AresGodOWar » Tue Oct 25, 2016 9:01 am

Yeah I don't think he is even Carey is getting as many carries than him I think he just had a couple really good games vs really bad run Ds
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Re: Is Jordan Howard the real deal?

Postby DonJulio » Tue Oct 25, 2016 10:01 pm

jtd1387 wrote:I think he is basically David Cobb. He got all the carries against 2 bad defenses because there were no other healthy RBs on the team.
Cobb? Come on with that one... Jordan Howard is the better athlete across most every category, had a higher college YPC and outperformed Cobb by a mile in playing time.

Give Howard time. If you think Tevin Coleman is good, just realize that Howard was the guy that came in after him, and he proceeded to outperform him across most categories outside of pass catching. Pass catching is the exact reason why you're seeing Carey get the playing time.

To OP, I'd look to move Parker or White to get Howard + something. I like Boyd, Sharpe and Prosise to develop, so don't undersell them. If you're giving a pick, a 2017 2nd should suffice.

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Re: Is Jordan Howard the real deal?

Postby Unicorn92 » Wed Oct 26, 2016 5:06 am

I am not sold on him he had 2 good games but against good defense he does Shits. More important in college he missed a lot of times because he had injuries so he has the label injury prone
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Re: Is Jordan Howard the real deal?

Postby hord » Wed Oct 26, 2016 5:58 am

i just traded him away for luck and a 1st haha. i think his value has done down since then because of the last game... and he likely wont have a very good game this week against minn... so if you are looking to buy, it will be after sunday in my opinion... but i agree with most... i don't think he is gonna be anything special. his good games came against bad d, and he is now losing work to carey,
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Re: Is Jordan Howard the real deal?

Postby pocylpse » Wed Oct 26, 2016 6:00 am

No. Be wary of Chicago drafting the running back of their future in the 2017 draft.

If you are a believer then I say he is worth a 2017 mid-second.
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Re: Is Jordan Howard the real deal?

Postby ColdZealDonkeyStrike » Wed Oct 26, 2016 7:34 am

Kybone wrote:
jtd1387 wrote:I think he is basically David Cobb. He got all the carries against 2 bad defenses because there were no other healthy RBs on the team.
Cobb? Come on with that one... Jordan Howard is the better athlete across most every category, had a higher college YPC and outperformed Cobb by a mile in playing time.

Give Howard time. If you think Tevin Coleman is good, just realize that Howard was the guy that came in after him, and he proceeded to outperform him across most categories outside of pass catching. Pass catching is the exact reason why you're seeing Carey get the playing time.

To OP, I'd look to move Parker or White to get Howard + something. I like Boyd, Sharpe and Prosise to develop, so don't undersell them. If you're giving a pick, a 2017 2nd should suffice.
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I don't know man, they seem pretty similar athletically. Both are big backs who look good when they get enough room to get a head of steam, and look worthless when they have to react quickly at the line. Cobb was more of a workhorse in college, and Howard has 2 nice games in the NFL on Cobb. But Cobb never had everyone else in the backfield get hurt just in time for him to face 2 bad defenses with several starters out like Howard did.

I am also not sure how Howard can be considered better than Coleman in any measure at Indiana. He had like half the yards, more than 1 YPC less, and as you said was much worse in the passing game.

Overall, I am not impressed with Howard, and jumped at the chance to get a late '17 first for him. I definitely wouldn't be trading the likes of Parker for him.
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Re: Is Jordan Howard the real deal?

Postby dblj1199 » Wed Oct 26, 2016 7:40 am

He has shown flashes so far, but Chicago will be a team in transition. Do they keep Fox as coach? If / when Jeffery leaves, can White be a #1 and actually stay healthy. Who will be the qb? With all of the issues they could go to a run first offense, look to dump passes off to him, especially if / when Cutler is gone and they are potentially starting a rookie qb next season.
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Re: Is Jordan Howard the real deal?

Postby DonJulio » Thu May 25, 2017 5:26 pm

jtd1387 wrote: Wed Oct 26, 2016 7:34 am
Kybone wrote:
jtd1387 wrote:I think he is basically David Cobb. He got all the carries against 2 bad defenses because there were no other healthy RBs on the team.
Cobb? Come on with that one... Jordan Howard is the better athlete across most every category, had a higher college YPC and outperformed Cobb by a mile in playing time.

Give Howard time. If you think Tevin Coleman is good, just realize that Howard was the guy that came in after him, and he proceeded to outperform him across most categories outside of pass catching. Pass catching is the exact reason why you're seeing Carey get the playing time.

To OP, I'd look to move Parker or White to get Howard + something. I like Boyd, Sharpe and Prosise to develop, so don't undersell them. If you're giving a pick, a 2017 2nd should suffice.
Cobb Howard
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Wt 229 230
40 4.73 4.59
3Cone 7.01 7.14
Vert 38 34
Broad 121 122
Bench 17 16
CYPC 5.2 5.7

I don't know man, they seem pretty similar athletically. Both are big backs who look good when they get enough room to get a head of steam, and look worthless when they have to react quickly at the line. Cobb was more of a workhorse in college, and Howard has 2 nice games in the NFL on Cobb. But Cobb never had everyone else in the backfield get hurt just in time for him to face 2 bad defenses with several starters out like Howard did.

I am also not sure how Howard can be considered better than Coleman in any measure at Indiana. He had like half the yards, more than 1 YPC less, and as you said was much worse in the passing game.

Overall, I am not impressed with Howard, and jumped at the chance to get a late '17 first for him. I definitely wouldn't be trading the likes of Parker for him.
Would you still not trade Parker for him?

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Re: Is Jordan Howard the real deal?

Postby Favrezilla » Thu May 25, 2017 5:44 pm

Crazy how off everyone (for the most part) was. I was bummed I couldn't get him early in the second last year and wasn't going to take him at 2 or 5. Should've!
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Re: Is Jordan Howard the real deal?

Postby RTE » Thu May 25, 2017 6:21 pm

Y'all may think I'm nuts and yes I'm a very aggressive player. I've always felt like if I want a guy I'll pay the price. I've also always felt like draft picks are lottery tickets. With that said I gave 3 2019 1st for Howard and was thrilled
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Re: Is Jordan Howard the real deal?

Postby ColdZealDonkeyStrike » Thu May 25, 2017 8:42 pm

DonJulio wrote: Thu May 25, 2017 5:26 pm
jtd1387 wrote: Wed Oct 26, 2016 7:34 am
Kybone wrote: Cobb? Come on with that one... Jordan Howard is the better athlete across most every category, had a higher college YPC and outperformed Cobb by a mile in playing time.

Give Howard time. If you think Tevin Coleman is good, just realize that Howard was the guy that came in after him, and he proceeded to outperform him across most categories outside of pass catching. Pass catching is the exact reason why you're seeing Carey get the playing time.

To OP, I'd look to move Parker or White to get Howard + something. I like Boyd, Sharpe and Prosise to develop, so don't undersell them. If you're giving a pick, a 2017 2nd should suffice.
Cobb Howard
Ht 5'11 6'0
Wt 229 230
40 4.73 4.59
3Cone 7.01 7.14
Vert 38 34
Broad 121 122
Bench 17 16
CYPC 5.2 5.7

I don't know man, they seem pretty similar athletically. Both are big backs who look good when they get enough room to get a head of steam, and look worthless when they have to react quickly at the line. Cobb was more of a workhorse in college, and Howard has 2 nice games in the NFL on Cobb. But Cobb never had everyone else in the backfield get hurt just in time for him to face 2 bad defenses with several starters out like Howard did.

I am also not sure how Howard can be considered better than Coleman in any measure at Indiana. He had like half the yards, more than 1 YPC less, and as you said was much worse in the passing game.

Overall, I am not impressed with Howard, and jumped at the chance to get a late '17 first for him. I definitely wouldn't be trading the likes of Parker for him.
Would you still not trade Parker for him?
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