NFL Onside Kick: FF implications

[FantasyFreak]

So the NFL is close to passing a rule that would change an onside kick from a kick, to a 4th and 15 play. Does that mean no more surprise onside kicks? Not sure what this means for trying one early in the game. Also, if this passes, how will our leagues incorporate this play? Do we count it in our leagues? Will MFL provide an option? This will be an issue for every league to discuss.

Will there be yards after the catch? What if a TD is scored? So many impending questions.

[slaughterrt]

Fantasy wise i don’t see it scored any differently than any other 4th and 15.

[FantasyFreak]

Fantasy wise i don’t see it scored any differently than any other 4th and 15.

Really depends on the NFL counts it in the box score. Also not sure if you just need to gain the yardage and you get the ball 15 yards ahead, or if the end result of the play determines where the ball is spotted. If you could score a TD, or gain 35-40 yards on the play, you could immediately be in field goal range, which makes it easier than an onside kick, where you can't advance a recovery. It really makes it easier for teams to come back from a deficit, if this is the case. Especially since there is way more probability for pass interference calls etc.

[Cult of Dionysus]

This reminds me of all the gimmicks NASCAR implemented in the last 15 years...

Just terrible.

[Phaded]

Um..
What?

The NFL keeps getting more and more stupid.

[Vcize]

Seems like they're not treating this as a separate, or special teams play. You get the ball and the down and distance is 4th and 15. No different than any other time you had the ball 4th and 15. It would count for FF.

[FantasyFreak]

Seems like they're not treating this as a separate, or special teams play. You get the ball and the down and distance is 4th and 15. No different than any other time you had the ball 4th and 15. It would count for FF.

From the 35?

[Dynasty DeLorean]

Seems like they're not treating this as a separate, or special teams play. You get the ball and the down and distance is 4th and 15. No different than any other time you had the ball 4th and 15. It would count for FF.

Is it me or would that be way easier than recovering an onside kick. What are the percentages of each?

[Vcize]

Seems like they're not treating this as a separate, or special teams play. You get the ball and the down and distance is 4th and 15. No different than any other time you had the ball 4th and 15. It would count for FF.

Is it me or would that be way easier than recovering an onside kick. What are the percentages of each?

Onside kick success rates were way down after the rule change this year. Around 8%. Last year before the rule change it was 23%. Historically it's been around 15%.

According to this article the success rate on 4th and 15 is 12.5%, but that's from 2011 and I think offenses have gotten better since then. Another article here has it around 15%, but again that cuts out in 2012 and is from college not the NFL.

My guess is that they ran the numbers before proposing the rule change and came up with a distance that would most closely match the previous onside success rate, which I think they were fine with other than the injury risk of guys getting a running start.

[FantasyFreak]

Seems like they're not treating this as a separate, or special teams play. You get the ball and the down and distance is 4th and 15. No different than any other time you had the ball 4th and 15. It would count for FF.

Is it me or would that be way easier than recovering an onside kick. What are the percentages of each?

I think it would. Plus you can advance further, which you can't do on an onside kick. You could score a TD, in fact. Also, there is the chance for an automatic "recovery" if you take a 5 yard holding penalty. Seems much easier than an onside kick, to me. You hit a 4o yard PI call and your'e ready to kick the field goal the next play. With an onside kick, you can't advance the ball, so you basically aren't going to get the ball on the other teams side of half, ever.

[ArrylT]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... lternative

Passed the competition committee vote with only 1 owner against.

[thebeast]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... lternative

Passed the competition committee vote with only 1 owner against.

Considering that that one owner has been making terrible decisions recently it’s probably a good rule and no surprise he was on an island.

Re: isn’t the proposal easier than a traditional onside kick, maybe, but failure to convert is more disasterous considering thenjthrr team gets the ball on your 35 and is in field goal range.

Re: scoring, it seems it should be scored like any other offensive play.

[whodunnit]

looks like the AAF is already having somewhat of an impact on the NFL. this rule has been pretty entertaining the few times it's happened this season.

It can only be attempted once per game and has to be in the 4th quarter. I know the AAF also requires them to be down by so many points, we'll see what happens.

[Pac_Eddy]

The big real world change is teams can't do a surprise onside kick early in the game. Line up for a 4th & 15 after your score and it's pretty obvious what's happening.

[FantasyFreak]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... e-proposal