How angry should I be?

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Re: How angry should I be?

Postby Prison_Mike » Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:22 am

jomaed wrote: Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:19 am How was the rookie draft order determined in the first place?
Startup was randomized.
Rookie was decided on that it would be inverse of the startup draft

I guess the miscommunication came about when deciding whether rookie draft would be snake or linear for the first year

(All future years will obviously be linear based on standings)
Team 1:
12-team | PPR | SuperFlex | 0.5-TEP
Start: 1QB/2RB/2WR/1TE/3FLX/1SF
QB: Herbert, Kyler, Baker, Jimmy G, Mariota, DTR
RB: Taylor, Saquon, Javonte, Conner, C.Evans, TDP
WR: Chase, Aiyuk, Olave, Diggs, Diontae, Hollywood, MT, Shaheed
TE: Engram, Woods, Kraft
'24 picks: 1.08, 3.05

Team 2:
12-Team | PPR | SuperFlex | 0.5-TEP
Start: QB/2RB/2WR/1TE/3FLX/1SF
QB: Mahomes, Allen, Russ
RB: Breece, JT, Swift, Javonte, Mostert, Zamir
WR: Chase, Aiyuk, Nico, Kupp, Hollywood, Kirk, MT
TE: Pitts, Njoku, Woods
'24 picks: 4.01

Team 3:
12-Team | PPR | SuperFlex | 0.5-TEP
Start: QB/2RB/2WR/1TE/3FLX/1SF
QB: Hurts, Dak, Stafford, Z.Wilson, DTR
RB: Saquon, Swift, Achane, Kamara, Ford
WR: Jefferson, AJB, ARSB, Nico, Diontae, OBJ
TE: Goedert, Njoku, Fant, Woods
'24 picks: 4.08, 4.12, 5.12

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Re: How angry should I be?

Postby jomaed » Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:54 am

If the picks where not included and chosen in the main draft, the order should be snake NOT linear. No questions asked. Can you imagine last year someone taking Kamara and Adams at the 1/2 turn last year and the automatically getting Barkley. Then on top of that massive advantage you also have the 2.01/3.01 etc.

This seems like the commish got the 10 slot and then changed so he could benefit.

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Re: How angry should I be?

Postby Prison_Mike » Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:03 am

jomaed wrote: Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:54 am If the picks where not included and chosen in the main draft, the order should be snake NOT linear. No questions asked. Can you imagine last year someone taking Kamara and Adams at the 1/2 turn last year and the automatically getting Barkley. Then on top of that massive advantage you also have the 2.01/3.01 etc.

This seems like the commish got the 10 slot and then changed so he could benefit.
Exactly. And for that reason I've learned my lesson - next year if I join any drafts, it will only be those that rookie picks are draftable assets or drafts that take place after the NFL draft.
This year it works out because there is no definitive 1.01, (there is no Saquon).

But yes I completely agree. It should be snake because people didn't choose their startup draft order, it was random & not based on team performance.

Those who missed out on the elite studs are compensated with a higher rookie picks that have a better chance at being studs.
Those who missed out on rookie studs get a few more chances at the next tier of rookies/dart throws
Those in the middle probably have the most balanced teams anyway
Team 1:
12-team | PPR | SuperFlex | 0.5-TEP
Start: 1QB/2RB/2WR/1TE/3FLX/1SF
QB: Herbert, Kyler, Baker, Jimmy G, Mariota, DTR
RB: Taylor, Saquon, Javonte, Conner, C.Evans, TDP
WR: Chase, Aiyuk, Olave, Diggs, Diontae, Hollywood, MT, Shaheed
TE: Engram, Woods, Kraft
'24 picks: 1.08, 3.05

Team 2:
12-Team | PPR | SuperFlex | 0.5-TEP
Start: QB/2RB/2WR/1TE/3FLX/1SF
QB: Mahomes, Allen, Russ
RB: Breece, JT, Swift, Javonte, Mostert, Zamir
WR: Chase, Aiyuk, Nico, Kupp, Hollywood, Kirk, MT
TE: Pitts, Njoku, Woods
'24 picks: 4.01

Team 3:
12-Team | PPR | SuperFlex | 0.5-TEP
Start: QB/2RB/2WR/1TE/3FLX/1SF
QB: Hurts, Dak, Stafford, Z.Wilson, DTR
RB: Saquon, Swift, Achane, Kamara, Ford
WR: Jefferson, AJB, ARSB, Nico, Diontae, OBJ
TE: Goedert, Njoku, Fant, Woods
'24 picks: 4.08, 4.12, 5.12

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Re: How angry should I be?

Postby Prison_Mike » Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:05 am

Pullo Vision wrote: Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:07 am
Prison_Mike wrote: Wed Feb 13, 2019 7:40 am
Pullo Vision wrote: Wed Feb 13, 2019 7:35 am Which of those users/posters is the commish? It's clear which is you, lol.
RedHotDrummer is the commish.

I assume you're asking so that you know his draft position?
He will have the 1.01 in rookie drafts. Linear instead of snake would clearly benefit him in rounds beyond the 1st lol

Not sure if that makes it more sketchy but I'm starting to think it does
No, just was trying to figure out which of the comments from that thread was theirs. This is the important part- "yeah, are you ok with snake drafting the start up first. Then the inverse of that order will be the rookie draft for this year." I could imagine someone thinking "inverse of that order" means take round one start up order, reverse it, and keep that new order for all the rounds of the rookie draft.

The bigger issue is so much is left un-said, whether because it was assumed or noone thought of it.
This is a good point. It's entirely possible that there is nothing sketchy going on; just a miscommunication based on poor verbiage.

In which case I'm as much at fault as anyone else for not making sure it was 100% clear before continuing
But I just want to make sure the commish cleans it up so no one else gets screwed in the future
Team 1:
12-team | PPR | SuperFlex | 0.5-TEP
Start: 1QB/2RB/2WR/1TE/3FLX/1SF
QB: Herbert, Kyler, Baker, Jimmy G, Mariota, DTR
RB: Taylor, Saquon, Javonte, Conner, C.Evans, TDP
WR: Chase, Aiyuk, Olave, Diggs, Diontae, Hollywood, MT, Shaheed
TE: Engram, Woods, Kraft
'24 picks: 1.08, 3.05

Team 2:
12-Team | PPR | SuperFlex | 0.5-TEP
Start: QB/2RB/2WR/1TE/3FLX/1SF
QB: Mahomes, Allen, Russ
RB: Breece, JT, Swift, Javonte, Mostert, Zamir
WR: Chase, Aiyuk, Nico, Kupp, Hollywood, Kirk, MT
TE: Pitts, Njoku, Woods
'24 picks: 4.01

Team 3:
12-Team | PPR | SuperFlex | 0.5-TEP
Start: QB/2RB/2WR/1TE/3FLX/1SF
QB: Hurts, Dak, Stafford, Z.Wilson, DTR
RB: Saquon, Swift, Achane, Kamara, Ford
WR: Jefferson, AJB, ARSB, Nico, Diontae, OBJ
TE: Goedert, Njoku, Fant, Woods
'24 picks: 4.08, 4.12, 5.12

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Re: How angry should I be?

Postby snaps06 » Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:01 am

EDIT: I see now where the issue is. I misread a couple of the comments.

I'd never heard of any rookke draft being snake, but in this case, it actually made sense.

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Re: How angry should I be?

Postby BigBawseRoss » Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:07 am

a 10$ sleeperbot league shouldnt bother you too much.

a few slot move in the 2nd shouldnt either. maybe ask the trade partner to also give you their 3rd for your 4th to even it up a lil idk just an idea if you both agree the value of the deal changed a little and wanna try to square it up.
team 1
12 team, 1 pt for 4 rec, 0.1 per rush
1qb, 3 rb, 4 wr, te, k, 4 idp
Dak , Herbert
Achane, Breece Hall, KW3Kyren,Ford, Miller, Spiller, z evans, singletary
J Jefferson, Diggs, DK, D Smith Puka, C Watson, E Moore
Njoku , HH, Engram

2024 picks
1,3,4,5,5,6,7 (all late mostly)

team 2
12 team .5ppr
qb, 2 rb, 2 wr, te, flx,flx,
Fields, Dak
Ford,Mixon, Javonte, Mostert, Chubb, Spears
Hopkins, Evans, g Wilson Mingo, shaheed, Jamo
Kelce,McBride, Chig,


1,2,3,3,5

team 3
14 team sf, even scoring idp to offense (rb scores highly too)
Josh Allen, A Rich, Foles, Rudolph
Bijan, Charbs, Spears, Ebner
J Williams, G Wilson, C Watson, Flowers, J Addison, Tillman
Kincaid, Kolar, Ruckert, Fergeson

Kenny Clark, josh allen, jaelen phillips, felix a-u and a bunch of fluff and rookie fliers at idp

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Re: How angry should I be?

Postby Ice » Wed Feb 13, 2019 1:37 pm

Not really a bad deal either way IMO but if you feel duped then ask for the trade to be reversed or a refund. If the rules were unclear that is.

Bell is a way better player. He is a RB1 and WR2 all rolled up into one position.
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Re: How angry should I be?

Postby yougothawk » Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:15 pm

This is really just a poor job on the commish.

That's not a way to start a league at all. Randomize the startup and then reverse order the rookie draft?

Commish is inexperienced and my guess is he will be playing with the rules throughout.

It's $10 so not a big deal but I'd say this will be a confusing and frustrating league to be involved with.

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Re: How angry should I be?

Postby FiremanEd » Wed Feb 13, 2019 7:15 pm

I’d be worried about any league regardless of whether it was dirt cheap or free where the basic structure and rules of the league have any ambiguity. Things like this should absolutely be clear to all from the outset. If it isn’t a friends league, I’d be hesitant to even want to endure other more challenging issues that often follow.

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Re: How angry should I be?

Postby Dr.Graffin » Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:34 pm

Should Prison Mike shank the commish over a 10 dollar dynasty league?

If yes, then how?
IF no, then why not?
12 Team Non-PPR, 6pt TDs-22' R/U, 23' R/U
1QB, 2RBs, 2WRs, 1TE, 2Flex (W/R/T), 1K, 1DST
QB: P. Mahomes, R. Tannehill
RB: D. Achane, D. Henry, J. Mixon, A. Ekeler, M. Sanders
WR: T. Hill, D. Smith, D. J. Moore, D. Samuel, T. Higgins, D. Hopkins, O. Beckham, D. Wicks, J. Metchie
TE: T. Kelce, C. Kmet, H. Henry, M. Gesicki
K: J. Tucker
D/ST: Baltimore, Jacksonville
2024 Picks: 4.9

12 Team .5 PPR, 6pt TDs
1QB, 2RBs, 2WRs, 1TE, 3Flex (W/R/T), 1K, 1DST
QB: J. Love, J. Herbert
RB: S. Barkley, J. Cook, I. Pacheco, Br. Robinson, D. Singletary, D. Pierce
WR: D. J. Moore, J. Waddle, Z. Flowers, T. Higgins, C. Watson, J. Downs, J. Dotson, R. Shaheed
TE: T. McBride, H. Henry, M. Gesicki, C. Okonkwo, J. Woods
K: T. Bass
D/ST: Jacksonville, Indianapolis
2024 Picks: 2.7, 3.2, 4.11

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Re: How angry should I be?

Postby Prison_Mike » Thu Feb 14, 2019 6:11 am

Dr.Graffin wrote: Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:34 pm Should Prison Mike shank the commish over a 10 dollar dynasty league?

If yes, then how?
IF no, then why not?
And I neva got caught neither
Team 1:
12-team | PPR | SuperFlex | 0.5-TEP
Start: 1QB/2RB/2WR/1TE/3FLX/1SF
QB: Herbert, Kyler, Baker, Jimmy G, Mariota, DTR
RB: Taylor, Saquon, Javonte, Conner, C.Evans, TDP
WR: Chase, Aiyuk, Olave, Diggs, Diontae, Hollywood, MT, Shaheed
TE: Engram, Woods, Kraft
'24 picks: 1.08, 3.05

Team 2:
12-Team | PPR | SuperFlex | 0.5-TEP
Start: QB/2RB/2WR/1TE/3FLX/1SF
QB: Mahomes, Allen, Russ
RB: Breece, JT, Swift, Javonte, Mostert, Zamir
WR: Chase, Aiyuk, Nico, Kupp, Hollywood, Kirk, MT
TE: Pitts, Njoku, Woods
'24 picks: 4.01

Team 3:
12-Team | PPR | SuperFlex | 0.5-TEP
Start: QB/2RB/2WR/1TE/3FLX/1SF
QB: Hurts, Dak, Stafford, Z.Wilson, DTR
RB: Saquon, Swift, Achane, Kamara, Ford
WR: Jefferson, AJB, ARSB, Nico, Diontae, OBJ
TE: Goedert, Njoku, Fant, Woods
'24 picks: 4.08, 4.12, 5.12

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Re: How angry should I be?

Postby Golly Dagger » Wed Feb 20, 2019 7:08 pm

I mean, it sucks but I wouldn't be too upset over it.
Team 1:
Fantasy Slams (est. 2015) - Golly Dagger
1st season: 7-7 (Missed playoffs)
2nd season: 7-6 (1st rd exit)
3rd season: 6-7 (Missed playoffs)
4th season: 11-2 (League Champ)
5th season: 9-4 (1st rd exit)

.5 PPR, 6pt TD, 4pt TD Pass, 25 roster, 14 team (6 Playoffs), 1QB, 2RB, 2WR, 1TE, 2 Flex (RB/WR/TE), 1LB, 1DL, 1DB, 1 Flex IDP:

QB: Jackson, Darnold
RB: Mixon, Gurley, Guice
WR: Cooper, Golladay, Metcalf, Campbell, Boykin, Isabella, Ross, Dulin
TE: Kittle, I. Thomas
DL: J. Bosa
LB: Darius Leonard, Barrett, Esche
DB: Collins

Draft capital: 1.02, 1.06, 4.12, 5.04, 6.04, 7.04, 7.09


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