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How angry should I be?

Postby Prison_Mike » Tue Feb 12, 2019 9:04 pm

Some of you may have seen the trade I posted earlier where I sold Chubb in somewhat “panicky” fashion

I got Lev Bell for Chubb + 2.09

Or so I thought.

When I joined this league (startup), there was apparently confusion as to how the rookie draft would be ordered. Commish put up a poll that said it would be a snake draft in the inverse order of the startup draft

Now that some trades have happened, the commish has made it clear that he thought the rookie draft would be linear.

Long story short, I just paid Chubb + 2.02 for Le’Veon when both myself & my trade partner thought I was paying the 2.09

I know 2nds are mostly a crapshoot but I think there’s a pretty big value difference between 2.02 & 2.09 (especially in a 10 team league)

I guess there’s not a lot that can be done at this point, any suggestions? Just eat it & be a tad pist?
Team 1:
12-team | PPR | SuperFlex | 0.5-TEP
Start: 1QB/2RB/2WR/1TE/3FLX/1SF
QB: Herbert, Kyler, Baker, Jimmy G, Mariota, DTR
RB: Taylor, Saquon, Javonte, Conner, C.Evans, TDP
WR: Chase, Aiyuk, Olave, Diggs, Diontae, Hollywood, MT, Shaheed
TE: Engram, Woods, Kraft
'24 picks: 1.08, 3.05

Team 2:
12-Team | PPR | SuperFlex | 0.5-TEP
Start: QB/2RB/2WR/1TE/3FLX/1SF
QB: Mahomes, Allen, Russ
RB: Breece, JT, Swift, Javonte, Mostert, Zamir
WR: Chase, Aiyuk, Nico, Kupp, Hollywood, Kirk, MT
TE: Pitts, Njoku, Woods
'24 picks: 4.01

Team 3:
12-Team | PPR | SuperFlex | 0.5-TEP
Start: QB/2RB/2WR/1TE/3FLX/1SF
QB: Hurts, Dak, Stafford, Z.Wilson, DTR
RB: Saquon, Swift, Achane, Kamara, Ford
WR: Jefferson, AJB, ARSB, Nico, Diontae, OBJ
TE: Goedert, Njoku, Fant, Woods
'24 picks: 4.08, 4.12, 5.12

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Re: How angry should I be?

Postby MEuRaH » Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:04 pm

Prison_Mike wrote: Tue Feb 12, 2019 9:04 pmCommish put up a poll that said it would be a snake draft in the inverse order of the startup draft
If this is the case then this is what should happen. The commissioners' job is to enforce the rules as written or voted upon, not as he/she saw them in their head.

You have every right to be upset, but more-so do the others who own picks at the end of the rounds. That commish has to get his head on straight imo.
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Re: How angry should I be?

Postby Prison_Mike » Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:16 pm

MEuRaH wrote: Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:04 pm
Prison_Mike wrote: Tue Feb 12, 2019 9:04 pmCommish put up a poll that said it would be a snake draft in the inverse order of the startup draft
If this is the case then this is what should happen. The commissioners' job is to enforce the rules as written or voted upon, not as he/she saw them in their head.

You have every right to be upset, but more-so do the others who own picks at the end of the rounds. That commish has to get his head on straight imo.
Agreed. The commissioner is claiming that the poll was regarding whether the STARTUP draft would be linear or snake.

I personally have NEVER seen a linear startup so that seems like BS.

Also, 3 others have now stated in the group chat that they thought the rookie draft would be snake
(All 3 of which have been the only guys to make trades that involve their rookie picks)
Team 1:
12-team | PPR | SuperFlex | 0.5-TEP
Start: 1QB/2RB/2WR/1TE/3FLX/1SF
QB: Herbert, Kyler, Baker, Jimmy G, Mariota, DTR
RB: Taylor, Saquon, Javonte, Conner, C.Evans, TDP
WR: Chase, Aiyuk, Olave, Diggs, Diontae, Hollywood, MT, Shaheed
TE: Engram, Woods, Kraft
'24 picks: 1.08, 3.05

Team 2:
12-Team | PPR | SuperFlex | 0.5-TEP
Start: QB/2RB/2WR/1TE/3FLX/1SF
QB: Mahomes, Allen, Russ
RB: Breece, JT, Swift, Javonte, Mostert, Zamir
WR: Chase, Aiyuk, Nico, Kupp, Hollywood, Kirk, MT
TE: Pitts, Njoku, Woods
'24 picks: 4.01

Team 3:
12-Team | PPR | SuperFlex | 0.5-TEP
Start: QB/2RB/2WR/1TE/3FLX/1SF
QB: Hurts, Dak, Stafford, Z.Wilson, DTR
RB: Saquon, Swift, Achane, Kamara, Ford
WR: Jefferson, AJB, ARSB, Nico, Diontae, OBJ
TE: Goedert, Njoku, Fant, Woods
'24 picks: 4.08, 4.12, 5.12

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Re: How angry should I be?

Postby Dr.Graffin » Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:49 pm

I'm not sure if the difference between the 2.9 and 2.2 (rookie draft) would have me that upset, but more the fact that rules seem be changing. That's not a good sign imo, so early in a league's life. It should all be straightforward. Nothing to do with a poll at this point. So if there's problems now and rules changing on the fly, I might think twice about being a league like this.
12 Team Non-PPR, 6pt TDs-22' R/U, 23' R/U
1QB, 2RBs, 2WRs, 1TE, 2Flex (W/R/T), 1K, 1DST
QB: P. Mahomes, R. Tannehill
RB: D. Achane, D. Henry, J. Mixon, A. Ekeler, M. Sanders
WR: T. Hill, D. Smith, D. J. Moore, D. Samuel, T. Higgins, D. Hopkins, O. Beckham, D. Wicks, J. Metchie
TE: T. Kelce, C. Kmet, H. Henry, M. Gesicki
K: J. Tucker
D/ST: Baltimore, Jacksonville
2024 Picks: 4.9

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1QB, 2RBs, 2WRs, 1TE, 3Flex (W/R/T), 1K, 1DST
QB: J. Love, J. Herbert
RB: S. Barkley, J. Cook, I. Pacheco, Br. Robinson, D. Singletary, D. Pierce
WR: D. J. Moore, J. Waddle, Z. Flowers, T. Higgins, C. Watson, J. Downs, J. Dotson, R. Shaheed
TE: T. McBride, H. Henry, M. Gesicki, C. Okonkwo, J. Woods
K: T. Bass
D/ST: Jacksonville, Indianapolis
2024 Picks: 2.7, 3.2, 4.11

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Re: How angry should I be?

Postby Prison_Mike » Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:55 pm

Dr.Graffin wrote: Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:49 pm I'm not sure if the difference between the 2.9 and 2.2 (rookie draft) would have me that upset, but more the fact that rules seem be changing. That's not a good sign imo, so early in a league's life. It should all be straightforward. Nothing to do with a poll at this point. So if there's problems now and rules changing on the fly, I might think twice about being a league like this.
Exactly and to your point, it’s so early on that we’re not even done with the startup draft yet lol.
These trades were made during the draft

Fortunately, the buy-in for this league is very cheap.
Otherwise I might be a lot more irritated.

I told commish I’ll eat it on the 7 pick difference if I have to, I just want to make sure it’s buttoned up going forward
Team 1:
12-team | PPR | SuperFlex | 0.5-TEP
Start: 1QB/2RB/2WR/1TE/3FLX/1SF
QB: Herbert, Kyler, Baker, Jimmy G, Mariota, DTR
RB: Taylor, Saquon, Javonte, Conner, C.Evans, TDP
WR: Chase, Aiyuk, Olave, Diggs, Diontae, Hollywood, MT, Shaheed
TE: Engram, Woods, Kraft
'24 picks: 1.08, 3.05

Team 2:
12-Team | PPR | SuperFlex | 0.5-TEP
Start: QB/2RB/2WR/1TE/3FLX/1SF
QB: Mahomes, Allen, Russ
RB: Breece, JT, Swift, Javonte, Mostert, Zamir
WR: Chase, Aiyuk, Nico, Kupp, Hollywood, Kirk, MT
TE: Pitts, Njoku, Woods
'24 picks: 4.01

Team 3:
12-Team | PPR | SuperFlex | 0.5-TEP
Start: QB/2RB/2WR/1TE/3FLX/1SF
QB: Hurts, Dak, Stafford, Z.Wilson, DTR
RB: Saquon, Swift, Achane, Kamara, Ford
WR: Jefferson, AJB, ARSB, Nico, Diontae, OBJ
TE: Goedert, Njoku, Fant, Woods
'24 picks: 4.08, 4.12, 5.12

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Re: How angry should I be?

Postby Jigga94 » Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:10 am

Post a link ;)

Id be mad that the rule changed all of a sudden. Have you paid for the year already? If not, I'd probably just consider leaving. Doesn't sound like a fun leave or a good commish

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Re: How angry should I be?

Postby Prison_Mike » Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:45 am

Jigga94 wrote: Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:10 am Post a link ;)

Id be mad that the rule changed all of a sudden. Have you paid for the year already? If not, I'd probably just consider leaving. Doesn't sound like a fun leave or a good commish
Are you asking me to post a link because I was accused of being this Turco dood? - I can assure you I'm not lol

I genuinely don't think it's an option to post a link to our actual league but I'll post a link to the draft (still in progress) as well as an attachment to screenshots of the poll in question & the chat regarding this dispute

Files had to be pretty small, but if you can read it: you can see that the vote was unanimous (9-0) & that I attempted to clarify that he was referring to the ROOKIE draft being snake

& Here's the link to the draft:
(You can see the Chubb/Bell swap - Chubb taken at 2.2, Bell at 3.5)

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Team 1:
12-team | PPR | SuperFlex | 0.5-TEP
Start: 1QB/2RB/2WR/1TE/3FLX/1SF
QB: Herbert, Kyler, Baker, Jimmy G, Mariota, DTR
RB: Taylor, Saquon, Javonte, Conner, C.Evans, TDP
WR: Chase, Aiyuk, Olave, Diggs, Diontae, Hollywood, MT, Shaheed
TE: Engram, Woods, Kraft
'24 picks: 1.08, 3.05

Team 2:
12-Team | PPR | SuperFlex | 0.5-TEP
Start: QB/2RB/2WR/1TE/3FLX/1SF
QB: Mahomes, Allen, Russ
RB: Breece, JT, Swift, Javonte, Mostert, Zamir
WR: Chase, Aiyuk, Nico, Kupp, Hollywood, Kirk, MT
TE: Pitts, Njoku, Woods
'24 picks: 4.01

Team 3:
12-Team | PPR | SuperFlex | 0.5-TEP
Start: QB/2RB/2WR/1TE/3FLX/1SF
QB: Hurts, Dak, Stafford, Z.Wilson, DTR
RB: Saquon, Swift, Achane, Kamara, Ford
WR: Jefferson, AJB, ARSB, Nico, Diontae, OBJ
TE: Goedert, Njoku, Fant, Woods
'24 picks: 4.08, 4.12, 5.12

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Re: How angry should I be?

Postby Jigga94 » Wed Feb 13, 2019 7:13 am

Haha it was only sarcasm. I really don't care who is and who isnt turco... This kinda sounds like him though lol

Still... Yes I'd be mad about the sudden rule change. Did you pay dues for the year?

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Re: How angry should I be?

Postby Prison_Mike » Wed Feb 13, 2019 7:32 am

Jigga94 wrote: Wed Feb 13, 2019 7:13 am Haha it was only sarcasm. I really don't care who is and who isnt turco... This kinda sounds like him though lol

Still... Yes I'd be mad about the sudden rule change. Did you pay dues for the year?
Haha yeah I'm sure it does since I read that he posted a lot of league disputes :lol:
This is the first dispute I've posted about and I really hope it's the last, this shite is annoying

I've paid. But it's a cheap buy-in ($10) league with random guys; saw a league opening and thought 'screw it, I'll take on another startup.'
Team 1:
12-team | PPR | SuperFlex | 0.5-TEP
Start: 1QB/2RB/2WR/1TE/3FLX/1SF
QB: Herbert, Kyler, Baker, Jimmy G, Mariota, DTR
RB: Taylor, Saquon, Javonte, Conner, C.Evans, TDP
WR: Chase, Aiyuk, Olave, Diggs, Diontae, Hollywood, MT, Shaheed
TE: Engram, Woods, Kraft
'24 picks: 1.08, 3.05

Team 2:
12-Team | PPR | SuperFlex | 0.5-TEP
Start: QB/2RB/2WR/1TE/3FLX/1SF
QB: Mahomes, Allen, Russ
RB: Breece, JT, Swift, Javonte, Mostert, Zamir
WR: Chase, Aiyuk, Nico, Kupp, Hollywood, Kirk, MT
TE: Pitts, Njoku, Woods
'24 picks: 4.01

Team 3:
12-Team | PPR | SuperFlex | 0.5-TEP
Start: QB/2RB/2WR/1TE/3FLX/1SF
QB: Hurts, Dak, Stafford, Z.Wilson, DTR
RB: Saquon, Swift, Achane, Kamara, Ford
WR: Jefferson, AJB, ARSB, Nico, Diontae, OBJ
TE: Goedert, Njoku, Fant, Woods
'24 picks: 4.08, 4.12, 5.12

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Re: How angry should I be?

Postby Pullo Vision » Wed Feb 13, 2019 7:35 am

Which of those users/posters is the commish? It's clear which is you, lol.
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1 DT, 2 DE, 2 LB, 1 CB, 1 S, 1 flex

League #2- 12 team PPR, 1Q, 1R, 2W, 1T, 1 R/W/T, 1 W/R/T, 1 Def

League #3- 12 tm PPR, 1Q, 0R (yes, ZERO RB) 3W, 1T, 2 R/W/T flex, 1 Def

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Re: How angry should I be?

Postby Prison_Mike » Wed Feb 13, 2019 7:40 am

Pullo Vision wrote: Wed Feb 13, 2019 7:35 am Which of those users/posters is the commish? It's clear which is you, lol.
RedHotDrummer is the commish.

I assume you're asking so that you know his draft position?
He will have the 1.01 in rookie drafts. Linear instead of snake would clearly benefit him in rounds beyond the 1st lol

Not sure if that makes it more sketchy but I'm starting to think it does
Team 1:
12-team | PPR | SuperFlex | 0.5-TEP
Start: 1QB/2RB/2WR/1TE/3FLX/1SF
QB: Herbert, Kyler, Baker, Jimmy G, Mariota, DTR
RB: Taylor, Saquon, Javonte, Conner, C.Evans, TDP
WR: Chase, Aiyuk, Olave, Diggs, Diontae, Hollywood, MT, Shaheed
TE: Engram, Woods, Kraft
'24 picks: 1.08, 3.05

Team 2:
12-Team | PPR | SuperFlex | 0.5-TEP
Start: QB/2RB/2WR/1TE/3FLX/1SF
QB: Mahomes, Allen, Russ
RB: Breece, JT, Swift, Javonte, Mostert, Zamir
WR: Chase, Aiyuk, Nico, Kupp, Hollywood, Kirk, MT
TE: Pitts, Njoku, Woods
'24 picks: 4.01

Team 3:
12-Team | PPR | SuperFlex | 0.5-TEP
Start: QB/2RB/2WR/1TE/3FLX/1SF
QB: Hurts, Dak, Stafford, Z.Wilson, DTR
RB: Saquon, Swift, Achane, Kamara, Ford
WR: Jefferson, AJB, ARSB, Nico, Diontae, OBJ
TE: Goedert, Njoku, Fant, Woods
'24 picks: 4.08, 4.12, 5.12

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Re: How angry should I be?

Postby Jigga94 » Wed Feb 13, 2019 7:46 am

Prison_Mike wrote: Wed Feb 13, 2019 7:40 am
Pullo Vision wrote: Wed Feb 13, 2019 7:35 am Which of those users/posters is the commish? It's clear which is you, lol.
RedHotDrummer is the commish.

I assume you're asking so that you know his draft position?
He will have the 1.01 in rookie drafts. Linear instead of snake would clearly benefit him in rounds beyond the 1st lol

Not sure if that makes it more sketchy but I'm starting to think it does
Absolutely does. I'd probably just ask for my 10 back or go all in for one season and then leave

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Re: How angry should I be?

Postby Pullo Vision » Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:07 am

Prison_Mike wrote: Wed Feb 13, 2019 7:40 am
Pullo Vision wrote: Wed Feb 13, 2019 7:35 am Which of those users/posters is the commish? It's clear which is you, lol.
RedHotDrummer is the commish.

I assume you're asking so that you know his draft position?
He will have the 1.01 in rookie drafts. Linear instead of snake would clearly benefit him in rounds beyond the 1st lol

Not sure if that makes it more sketchy but I'm starting to think it does
No, just was trying to figure out which of the comments from that thread was theirs. This is the important part- "yeah, are you ok with snake drafting the start up first. Then the inverse of that order will be the rookie draft for this year." I could imagine someone thinking "inverse of that order" means take round one start up order, reverse it, and keep that new order for all the rounds of the rookie draft.

The bigger issue is so much is left un-said, whether because it was assumed or noone thought of it.
League #1- 14 tm ppr, 1Q, 2R, 3W, 1T, 1 R/W/T, 1K
1 DT, 2 DE, 2 LB, 1 CB, 1 S, 1 flex

League #2- 12 team PPR, 1Q, 1R, 2W, 1T, 1 R/W/T, 1 W/R/T, 1 Def

League #3- 12 tm PPR, 1Q, 0R (yes, ZERO RB) 3W, 1T, 2 R/W/T flex, 1 Def

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Re: How angry should I be?

Postby jetsfan5757 » Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:18 am

I'd be pissed, but in a $10 league I'd just take my medicine and play it out. If rules shenanigans persist, I would leave...
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QB (1): Herbert, Lawrence, Darnold
RB (3): N. Chubb, D. Henry, J. Taylor, JK Dobbins, Pollard, Singletary, L. Murray
WR (3): D. Hopkins, D. Adams, M. Evans, D.J. Moore, DJ Chark, B. Aiyuk, J. Smith-Schuster, R Bateman, E. Moore
TE (2): I. Smith Jr, H. Henry, Schultz, Tremble

K (1): M. Crosby

DB (1): J. Adams
LB (1): F. Warner
DL (1): D. Lawrence

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Re: How angry should I be?

Postby jomaed » Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:19 am

How was the rookie draft order determined in the first place?


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