My top-10 WRs in the 2019 class (pre-combine)

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Re: My top-10 WRs in the 2019 class (pre-combine)

Postby DJB » Thu Jan 17, 2019 8:32 pm

Bot101 wrote: Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:44 pm Wow Ridley at 2???
I like it. It's bold. He's been getting tons of love from DJ and Bucky recently
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Re: My top-10 WRs in the 2019 class (pre-combine)

Postby lukkynumber13 » Fri Jan 18, 2019 2:19 am

Dynasty DeLorean wrote: Thu Jan 17, 2019 5:07 pm I'm wondering how you account for Riley Ridley's limited production. I'm just looking at his stats and it seems he played in most games but has really underwhelming stats?
I don't have a counter for that, but I do trust my eyes when it comes to Ridley. He looks like a pro-ready stud out there. Bigger and more dynamic than his brother, he's like a shorter Kenny Golladay. Big, strong, great leaper with a wingspan, and a nose for the end-zone.
TEAM A - 12T (22 R/U, 20 R/U, 19 R/U, 18 Champ, 17 R/U)
HERBERT, Baker
BIJAN/KAMARA/MIXON, A Jones
HILL/AJB/DK/G WILSON/D Adams, Pittman, Z Flowers, Evans
KITTLE
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TEAM B - 16T, SF, TEP (22 R/U)
HURTS/MINSHEW, Cousins, D Jones
JT/JACOBS, Mostert, Gus E
HILL/MCLAURIN/DEEBO
KELCE/KITTLE, LaPorta
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TEAM C - 14T, SF (Joined in 22)
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HENRY/A JONES, Gus E
HILL/DIGGS/K ALLEN
WALLER
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TEAM D - 14T, 1QB (Joined in 22)
MAHOMES, Goff
BIJAN/BREECE/POLLARD
CHASE/DIGGS/G WILSON/AIYUK, DJM, Pittman
KITTLE, Goedert
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TEAM E - 14T, SF, 2TE (Started in 22)
MAHOMES/T-LAW, Carr
BIJAN/CMC/SAQUON/POLLARD, Hall
HILL/AIYUK/EVANS/GODWIN, Hollywood, Thielen
MCBRIDE/ENGRAM, Goedert, Chig
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TEAM F - 16T (Joined in 23)
R WILSON, Minshew
SAQUON/KAMARA/MIXON, Monty
DIGGS/GODWIN/AIYUK/EVANS, Thielen, A Cooper
KELCE, Schultz
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TEAM G - 12T, SF & TEP (Joined in 23)
HERBERT/TUA, Kyler
BIJAN/MIXON, Spears, J Warren
JJ/G WILSON/WADDLE/OLAVE, Godwin, J Reed
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Re: My top-10 WRs in the 2019 class (pre-combine)

Postby lukkynumber13 » Fri Jan 18, 2019 2:23 am

mild wrote: Thu Jan 17, 2019 5:34 pm
lukkynumber13 wrote: Thu Jan 17, 2019 4:12 pm
6. AJ Brown
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Runners up: Parris Campbell, JJ Arcega-Whiteside, Jalen Hurd, Denzel Mims, David Sills, & Lil’Jordan Humphrey
Hey Lukky! Always appreciate your scouting report on these sorts of things, you always bring another angle to the table. For these two in particular, I know PFF is super high on them per there grading (it may have changed but I believe they are the #1 and #2's for them in this draft based on their rankings).

I'm just interested to know how you felt about each player and how they slipped so far down over guys like Riley Ridley and so on.
AJ Brown is fine, but I don't see the same ceiling with him that I see in guys like Harmon or Harry (potential alpha WR1s). AJ looks like a big slot chain-mover, a la Mo Sanu.

Arcega-Whiteside doesn't do it for me at all really. He looks like every other big-but-not-very-athletic WR in college. Auden Tate, Allen Lazard, etc. I suppose there's a chance he can be Devin Funchess?
TEAM A - 12T (22 R/U, 20 R/U, 19 R/U, 18 Champ, 17 R/U)
HERBERT, Baker
BIJAN/KAMARA/MIXON, A Jones
HILL/AJB/DK/G WILSON/D Adams, Pittman, Z Flowers, Evans
KITTLE
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TEAM B - 16T, SF, TEP (22 R/U)
HURTS/MINSHEW, Cousins, D Jones
JT/JACOBS, Mostert, Gus E
HILL/MCLAURIN/DEEBO
KELCE/KITTLE, LaPorta
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TEAM C - 14T, SF (Joined in 22)
GENO
HENRY/A JONES, Gus E
HILL/DIGGS/K ALLEN
WALLER
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TEAM D - 14T, 1QB (Joined in 22)
MAHOMES, Goff
BIJAN/BREECE/POLLARD
CHASE/DIGGS/G WILSON/AIYUK, DJM, Pittman
KITTLE, Goedert
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TEAM E - 14T, SF, 2TE (Started in 22)
MAHOMES/T-LAW, Carr
BIJAN/CMC/SAQUON/POLLARD, Hall
HILL/AIYUK/EVANS/GODWIN, Hollywood, Thielen
MCBRIDE/ENGRAM, Goedert, Chig
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TEAM F - 16T (Joined in 23)
R WILSON, Minshew
SAQUON/KAMARA/MIXON, Monty
DIGGS/GODWIN/AIYUK/EVANS, Thielen, A Cooper
KELCE, Schultz
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TEAM G - 12T, SF & TEP (Joined in 23)
HERBERT/TUA, Kyler
BIJAN/MIXON, Spears, J Warren
JJ/G WILSON/WADDLE/OLAVE, Godwin, J Reed
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Re: My top-10 WRs in the 2019 class (pre-combine)

Postby Orenthal Shames » Fri Jan 18, 2019 4:34 am

Haven't dug into everyone yet but at a glance, Brown is my WR1 and Ridley won't be in my top 10
16 team league
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QB: Watson, Flacco Stidham
RB: Bijan, Gibbs, McLaughlin
WR: Olave, Addison, Flowers, Rice, Sutton, Downs, Mims, Tillman
TE: Kittle, Goedert, Chig, Woods
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Re: My top-10 WRs in the 2019 class (pre-combine)

Postby lukkynumber13 » Fri Jan 18, 2019 11:44 am

Orenthal Shames wrote: Fri Jan 18, 2019 4:34 am Haven't dug into everyone yet but at a glance, Brown is my WR1 and Ridley won't be in my top 10
As a fellow fan of Harris Football, I implore you to watch the tape of Terry Godwin. I think you’ll love what you see.
TEAM A - 12T (22 R/U, 20 R/U, 19 R/U, 18 Champ, 17 R/U)
HERBERT, Baker
BIJAN/KAMARA/MIXON, A Jones
HILL/AJB/DK/G WILSON/D Adams, Pittman, Z Flowers, Evans
KITTLE
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TEAM B - 16T, SF, TEP (22 R/U)
HURTS/MINSHEW, Cousins, D Jones
JT/JACOBS, Mostert, Gus E
HILL/MCLAURIN/DEEBO
KELCE/KITTLE, LaPorta
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TEAM C - 14T, SF (Joined in 22)
GENO
HENRY/A JONES, Gus E
HILL/DIGGS/K ALLEN
WALLER
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TEAM D - 14T, 1QB (Joined in 22)
MAHOMES, Goff
BIJAN/BREECE/POLLARD
CHASE/DIGGS/G WILSON/AIYUK, DJM, Pittman
KITTLE, Goedert
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TEAM E - 14T, SF, 2TE (Started in 22)
MAHOMES/T-LAW, Carr
BIJAN/CMC/SAQUON/POLLARD, Hall
HILL/AIYUK/EVANS/GODWIN, Hollywood, Thielen
MCBRIDE/ENGRAM, Goedert, Chig
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TEAM F - 16T (Joined in 23)
R WILSON, Minshew
SAQUON/KAMARA/MIXON, Monty
DIGGS/GODWIN/AIYUK/EVANS, Thielen, A Cooper
KELCE, Schultz
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TEAM G - 12T, SF & TEP (Joined in 23)
HERBERT/TUA, Kyler
BIJAN/MIXON, Spears, J Warren
JJ/G WILSON/WADDLE/OLAVE, Godwin, J Reed
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Re: My top-10 WRs in the 2019 class (pre-combine)

Postby Johnny Canuck » Fri Jan 18, 2019 11:56 am

Ridley's red flags are too big for me production wise. Yes he had the most rec yards on his team, but he didn't demand enough of a target share to show me that he can be anything more than a teams 3rd WR (maybe RZ guy...maybe) in the NFL.

Mid 2nd (but prob more like late 2nd) at best for me.

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Re: My top-10 WRs in the 2019 class (pre-combine)

Postby bsp27 » Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:18 pm

Metcalf and Ridley would be outside my top 10. Neither of them had a receiving yard market share above 20% in any season they played. The list of successful NFL receivers who have that poor of production is close to 0
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Qb: Kyler Murray, Dak Presscott, Sam Darnold,
Rb: Derrick Henry, Latavius Murray, Darrell Henderson, Dexter Williams, Brian Hill
Wr: Chris Godwin, Stefon Diggs, Courtland Sutton, DK Metcalf, AJ Brown, Andy Isabella, JJ Arcega-Whiteside, Tre'Quan Smith, Daesean Hamilton, Josh Reynolds, Trey Quin, Snead,
Te: TJ Hockensen, Gesicki, Hurst

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Qb: Cousins, Prescott, Lamar Jackson
Rb: Marlon Mack, Tevin Coleman, Rex Burkhead,, Mcguire, Edwards
Wr: Antonio Brown, Amari Cooper, Kenny Golladay, Will Fuller, Tre'quan Smith, John Brown, Carlos Henderson, Josh Malone, Ryan Switzer, Taywan Taylor, Leonte Carroo, Antonio Callaway
Te: David Njoku, O.J. Howard, Mark Andrews,

devy: Deondre Francois, Cam Akers, Bryce Love, Myles Gaskin, Sewo Olonilua, Jalen Reagor, Peoples-Jones, Noah Fant

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Re: My top-10 WRs in the 2019 class (pre-combine)

Postby lukkynumber13 » Sun Jan 20, 2019 12:17 pm

bsp27 wrote: Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:18 pm Metcalf and Ridley would be outside my top 10. Neither of them had a receiving yard market share above 20% in any season they played. The list of successful NFL receivers who have that poor of production is close to 0
Do you think the NFL will be similarly wary of these 2 WRs and they will fall to the 3rd round?

Or do you agree that they will be high picks, but you just don’t believe they will have very productive careers?
TEAM A - 12T (22 R/U, 20 R/U, 19 R/U, 18 Champ, 17 R/U)
HERBERT, Baker
BIJAN/KAMARA/MIXON, A Jones
HILL/AJB/DK/G WILSON/D Adams, Pittman, Z Flowers, Evans
KITTLE
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TEAM B - 16T, SF, TEP (22 R/U)
HURTS/MINSHEW, Cousins, D Jones
JT/JACOBS, Mostert, Gus E
HILL/MCLAURIN/DEEBO
KELCE/KITTLE, LaPorta
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TEAM C - 14T, SF (Joined in 22)
GENO
HENRY/A JONES, Gus E
HILL/DIGGS/K ALLEN
WALLER
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TEAM D - 14T, 1QB (Joined in 22)
MAHOMES, Goff
BIJAN/BREECE/POLLARD
CHASE/DIGGS/G WILSON/AIYUK, DJM, Pittman
KITTLE, Goedert
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TEAM E - 14T, SF, 2TE (Started in 22)
MAHOMES/T-LAW, Carr
BIJAN/CMC/SAQUON/POLLARD, Hall
HILL/AIYUK/EVANS/GODWIN, Hollywood, Thielen
MCBRIDE/ENGRAM, Goedert, Chig
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TEAM F - 16T (Joined in 23)
R WILSON, Minshew
SAQUON/KAMARA/MIXON, Monty
DIGGS/GODWIN/AIYUK/EVANS, Thielen, A Cooper
KELCE, Schultz
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TEAM G - 12T, SF & TEP (Joined in 23)
HERBERT/TUA, Kyler
BIJAN/MIXON, Spears, J Warren
JJ/G WILSON/WADDLE/OLAVE, Godwin, J Reed
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Re: My top-10 WRs in the 2019 class (pre-combine)

Postby darewood11 » Sun Jan 20, 2019 1:59 pm

lukkynumber13 wrote: Sun Jan 20, 2019 12:17 pm
bsp27 wrote: Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:18 pm Metcalf and Ridley would be outside my top 10. Neither of them had a receiving yard market share above 20% in any season they played. The list of successful NFL receivers who have that poor of production is close to 0
Do you think the NFL will be similarly wary of these 2 WRs and they will fall to the 3rd round?

Or do you agree that they will be high picks, but you just don’t believe they will have very productive careers?
I think they will be high picks as I have already seen many NFL teams are high on Ridley but in his case for me I'm worried his career will be uninspiring more than metcalfs as I actually like Metcalf a lot but injuries make me nervous but I believe he had some injury as enunwa but not as severe...maybe I'm mistaken...I believe he will be fine

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Re: My top-10 WRs in the 2019 class (pre-combine)

Postby dawgs4life » Sun Jan 20, 2019 5:34 pm

I think some of this debate is analytics vs film at its best. I think seeing the players and trusting your eyes is worth more than analytics, but just my opinion. I’ve watch Metcalf and I see a better route running c-patt but yes injuries do matter. This is also about how risk adverse are you, if you are willing to take a risk you could get the next Josh Gordon athletically. That is why Metcalf is my 1.2 right now.
I have not watched much on Ridley yet as he was a late entry to the draft, but getting there.
I only play in 16x53 with 10+ taxi size leagues with full IDP. All are PPR and most value return yardage. So my opinions may be skewed To these deep roster leagues.

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Re: My top-10 WRs in the 2019 class (pre-combine)

Postby Dynasty DeLorean » Sun Jan 20, 2019 6:55 pm

dawgs4life wrote: Sun Jan 20, 2019 5:34 pm I think some of this debate is analytics vs film at its best. I think seeing the players and trusting your eyes is worth more than analytics, but just my opinion. I’ve watch Metcalf and I see a better route running c-patt but yes injuries do matter. This is also about how risk adverse are you, if you are willing to take a risk you could get the next Josh Gordon athletically. That is why Metcalf is my 1.2 right now.
I have not watched much on Ridley yet as he was a late entry to the draft, but getting there.
who is your 1.1

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Re: My top-10 WRs in the 2019 class (pre-combine)

Postby darewood11 » Sun Jan 20, 2019 7:11 pm

Without landing spots I'd go harry 1.01. Hes just to athletic and to big.

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Postby bsp27 » Tue Jan 22, 2019 12:22 am

darewood11 wrote: Sun Jan 20, 2019 7:11 pm Without landing spots I'd go harry 1.01. Hes just to athletic and to big.
^ Someone who isn't overthinking it
Superflex tight-end premium team:
Qb: Kyler Murray, Dak Presscott, Sam Darnold,
Rb: Derrick Henry, Latavius Murray, Darrell Henderson, Dexter Williams, Brian Hill
Wr: Chris Godwin, Stefon Diggs, Courtland Sutton, DK Metcalf, AJ Brown, Andy Isabella, JJ Arcega-Whiteside, Tre'Quan Smith, Daesean Hamilton, Josh Reynolds, Trey Quin, Snead,
Te: TJ Hockensen, Gesicki, Hurst

1 2020 first, 1 2020 2nd, 1 2020 3rd, 1 2020 4th

Devy superflex
Qb: Cousins, Prescott, Lamar Jackson
Rb: Marlon Mack, Tevin Coleman, Rex Burkhead,, Mcguire, Edwards
Wr: Antonio Brown, Amari Cooper, Kenny Golladay, Will Fuller, Tre'quan Smith, John Brown, Carlos Henderson, Josh Malone, Ryan Switzer, Taywan Taylor, Leonte Carroo, Antonio Callaway
Te: David Njoku, O.J. Howard, Mark Andrews,

devy: Deondre Francois, Cam Akers, Bryce Love, Myles Gaskin, Sewo Olonilua, Jalen Reagor, Peoples-Jones, Noah Fant

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Re: My top-10 WRs in the 2019 class (pre-combine)

Postby Orenthal Shames » Wed Jan 23, 2019 4:19 am

bsp27 wrote: Tue Jan 22, 2019 12:22 am
darewood11 wrote: Sun Jan 20, 2019 7:11 pm Without landing spots I'd go harry 1.01. Hes just to athletic and to big.
^ Someone who isn't overthinking it
This is where i think I've landed as well. Something about Metcalf triggers the Perriman-induced PTSD in me.
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QB: Watson, Flacco Stidham
RB: Bijan, Gibbs, McLaughlin
WR: Olave, Addison, Flowers, Rice, Sutton, Downs, Mims, Tillman
TE: Kittle, Goedert, Chig, Woods
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Re: My top-10 WRs in the 2019 class (pre-combine)

Postby ArrylT » Thu Jan 24, 2019 8:17 am

It is always nice to wonder about what could have been with names like Perriman, White & Devin Smith - highly touted guys whose careers were immediately beset with injuries. Unfortunately the odds are high at least a couple of guys on lukkys list will fall victim to that as well. :(
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