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Re: Foles vs Wentz

Postby Ice » Wed Jan 02, 2019 4:32 pm

Phaded wrote: Wed Jan 02, 2019 3:38 pm Foles is overrated..

But so is Wentz.
Some truth to this!

Foles had chances to leave last year but didn't want to go.
Wentz can't seem to stay healthy but has more overall talent than Foles.

NFL wise, I would rather own Dak Prescott than Carson Wentz as an example.

While I think Foles and the Eagles will get bounced this week, if Foles somehow wins Back to back SB's the Eagles will have a full blown QB controversy on their hands. Philly is a town that boos Santa Claus and Wentz is no Santa.
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Re: Foles vs Wentz

Postby Phaded » Wed Jan 02, 2019 4:36 pm

I almost want to see Foles win another Super Bowl just to watch how it unfolds to be honest.
Although I think it is exceedingly unlikely.
They would basically need to win @ the Bears, then @ the Saints, then @ one of the Rams, Cowboys or Seahawks.
Then beat the AFC Champions.

...That would be hard to argue with.

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Re: Foles vs Wentz

Postby PPE82 » Wed Jan 02, 2019 6:03 pm

Jigga94 wrote: Wed Jan 02, 2019 12:30 pm
Nanananananana wrote: Wed Jan 02, 2019 12:28 pm Foles is a magic carpet riding fool.

No way he is a top 20 QB when he gets his full time job.
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Re: Foles vs Wentz

Postby thebeast » Wed Jan 02, 2019 7:20 pm

Jigga94 wrote: Wed Jan 02, 2019 4:03 pm
thebeast wrote: Wed Jan 02, 2019 3:46 pm
WhatWouldDitkaDo wrote: Wed Jan 02, 2019 2:00 pm I cannot believe this debate still exists. My expectation is that some team will overpay for Foles this offseason, and he will promptly fall flat exactly like Case Keenum did this year in DEN.
Really? I thought the point of the league is to win Super Bowls. Foles - 1, Wentz 0. If Foles wins another one this year Wentz will be looking for a new home.
If Foles wins the SB again this year will he be up there with the all time greats like Eli with 2 SB? At least if he loses he will still have the company of Trent Dilfer and other 1 time SB winning QBs
As a Giants fan I will take Eli’s two super bowl wins over many other ‘great’ QBs that have 1 or none.

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Re: Foles vs Wentz

Postby thebeast » Wed Jan 02, 2019 7:22 pm

WhatWouldDitkaDo wrote: Wed Jan 02, 2019 4:03 pm
thebeast wrote: Wed Jan 02, 2019 3:46 pm
WhatWouldDitkaDo wrote: Wed Jan 02, 2019 2:00 pm I cannot believe this debate still exists. My expectation is that some team will overpay for Foles this offseason, and he will promptly fall flat exactly like Case Keenum did this year in DEN.
Really? I thought the point of the league is to win Super Bowls. Foles - 1, Wentz 0. If Foles wins another one this year Wentz will be looking for a new home.
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Serious. If he wins back to back Super Bowls in what looked like a year they wouldn’t make the playoffs there is zero chance Wentz is the starter next year.
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Re: Foles vs Wentz

Postby Lotto4Life » Wed Jan 02, 2019 7:29 pm

Foles > Marino

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Re: Foles vs Wentz

Postby Nanananananana » Wed Jan 02, 2019 8:09 pm

thebeast wrote: Wed Jan 02, 2019 7:20 pm
Jigga94 wrote: Wed Jan 02, 2019 4:03 pm
thebeast wrote: Wed Jan 02, 2019 3:46 pm
Really? I thought the point of the league is to win Super Bowls. Foles - 1, Wentz 0. If Foles wins another one this year Wentz will be looking for a new home.
If Foles wins the SB again this year will he be up there with the all time greats like Eli with 2 SB? At least if he loses he will still have the company of Trent Dilfer and other 1 time SB winning QBs
As a Giants fan I will take Eli’s two super bowl wins over many other ‘great’ QBs that have 1 or none.
I’d rather my team be good than lucky. Giants super bowls have all been really lucky. Dudes missing chip-shot field goals, helmet catches, Welker dropping a ball right in his hands, the San Fran punt returner meltdown in the championship game. Talk about a team winning two SBs in 10 years but not even really a top 10 team in that decade, weird.

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Re: Foles vs Wentz

Postby Valhalla » Wed Jan 02, 2019 8:16 pm

Lotto4Life wrote: Wed Jan 02, 2019 7:29 pm Foles > Marino
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Re: Foles vs Wentz

Postby Mike from Canada » Wed Jan 02, 2019 8:56 pm

Is this a troll thread?
Ok I'll play along. Flacco was just as good as Peyton Manning until Manning got that second ring and is still equally as good as Steve Young.

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Re: Foles vs Wentz

Postby Mike from Canada » Wed Jan 02, 2019 10:24 pm

Bill Wennington was a better basketball player than Charles Barkley.

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Re: Foles vs Wentz

Postby Pullo Vision » Thu Jan 03, 2019 1:18 am

Not trolling. Nowhere did I say Foles was better than Wentz. Care to explain why the "better" QB struggles much worse in this one particular stat than the other?

Let's say Foles is the 22nd QB next year. That's better than Tannehill and Flacco, I'd say. Those two signed 6year/95m and 6y/125m contracts, respectively.
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Re: Foles vs Wentz

Postby XclickX » Thu Jan 03, 2019 1:52 am

Ice wrote: Wed Jan 02, 2019 4:32 pm
Phaded wrote: Wed Jan 02, 2019 3:38 pm Foles is overrated..

But so is Wentz.
Some truth to this!

Foles had chances to leave last year but didn't want to go.
Wentz can't seem to stay healthy but has more overall talent than Foles.

NFL wise, I would rather own Dak Prescott than Carson Wentz as an example.

While I think Foles and the Eagles will get bounced this week, if Foles somehow wins Back to back SB's the Eagles will have a full blown QB controversy on their hands. Philly is a town that boos Santa Claus and Wentz is no Santa.
Had to stop reading after that statement. Dak? Really ?

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Re: Foles vs Wentz

Postby mild » Thu Jan 03, 2019 4:07 am

XclickX wrote: Thu Jan 03, 2019 1:52 am
Ice wrote: Wed Jan 02, 2019 4:32 pm
NFL wise, I would rather own Dak Prescott than Carson Wentz as an example.

While I think Foles and the Eagles will get bounced this week, if Foles somehow wins Back to back SB's the Eagles will have a full blown QB controversy on their hands. Philly is a town that boos Santa Claus and Wentz is no Santa.
Had to stop reading after that statement. Dak? Really ?
I was coming here to post the same thing. That is a LUDICROUS statement... Wentz plays the position far better than Dak (when he is healthy)

In two years time that statement will look very dumb, is my feeling.

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Re: Foles vs Wentz

Postby ninotoreS » Thu Jan 03, 2019 5:32 am

I think it's worth noting Wentz is very young. Brady at 26 wasn't even close to being the GOAT yet. bleep -- at that age, he was still just a game-manager.

Point is, Foles is probably at his peak. Wentz probably isn't. There are many possible factors that contribute to a QB taking too many sacks, some his fault some not his fault, but suffice it to say that more experience should, in theory, see those numbers diminish.
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Re: Foles vs Wentz

Postby thebeast » Thu Jan 03, 2019 5:58 am

Nanananananana wrote: Wed Jan 02, 2019 8:09 pm
thebeast wrote: Wed Jan 02, 2019 7:20 pm
Jigga94 wrote: Wed Jan 02, 2019 4:03 pm

If Foles wins the SB again this year will he be up there with the all time greats like Eli with 2 SB? At least if he loses he will still have the company of Trent Dilfer and other 1 time SB winning QBs
As a Giants fan I will take Eli’s two super bowl wins over many other ‘great’ QBs that have 1 or none.
I’d rather my team be good than lucky. Giants super bowls have all been really lucky. Dudes missing chip-shot field goals, helmet catches, Welker dropping a ball right in his hands, the San Fran punt returner meltdown in the championship game. Talk about a team winning two SBs in 10 years but not even really a top 10 team in that decade, weird.
Super Bowl runs and wins typically have luck involved and frequently turn on one play. Off the top of my head

Patriots: Brady and the tuck rule...
Patriots: Intercepting Wilson at the one yard line...
Patriots: Falcons not being able to convert a field goal and making bknebheaded plays....
Saints: Farve throwing a stupid cross body pass on the last play of game that gets inrecepted when in field goal range
Steelers: Santonio Holmes insane last play TD catch and the 1st half ridiculous interception and TD run by the linebacker for 97 yards or something before time expired...

This are just off the top of my head. Every team that wins a Super Bowl is good, but they are pretty much all a bit lucky along the way too.


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