Foles vs Wentz

[Pullo Vision]

Two years now, Foles has taken the Eagles to the playoffs. One stat highlights a difference in their performances in the same offense behind the same line. Per profootballtalk-

-Last year, Carson Wentz took 28 sacks in 13 games. In Philly's three game playoff streak, Foles had 103 pass attempts and took 2 sacks.

-This season, the story is the same: Foles is avoiding the pass rush better than Wentz. Foles has been sacked nine times through five games after Wentz was sacked 31 times in 11 games.

-Over the last two years, counting the playoffs, Eagles QB Carson Wentz has been sacked on 6.6 percent of dropbacks. Nick Foles has been sacked on 3.8 percent of dropbacks during that time.

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I also recall seeing some significant splits for Ertz and Jeffrey based on which of these 2 QBs is starting.

Is Wentz overrated? Is Foles better than a third of this year's starting QBs? For example, is he better than Dalton or Alex Smith?

It'll be very interesting to see how Philly plays this.

[FantasyFreak]

Wentz is not over rated. He wasn't as good this year, but neither was the entire team. He's shown elite capabilities in his 2nd year, at what 25? He's a long term top end QB. Foles is going to be a starter next year, but not for the Eagles. IF the Eagles win the SB again, then something could change.

[Pullo Vision]

I'm not arguing Foles is better than Wentz. Don't agree with that argument. Do you think that Wentz, coming from the small school he did and so early in his NFL career, hasn't fully developed? How do you explain the disparity in sack rate between the two? Maybe Foles has clearly defined skills (what he can and can't do) while Wentz is closer to a tools-y developmental prospect that the coaching staff can't as easily scheme an offense around. Perhaps Wentz heavily/over targeting Ertz is tied to his sack rate- maybe coming from the school he did he's not used to diagnosing NFL style blitzes, so he bails at pressure, rather than letting routes downfield develop.

"Foles is going to be a starter next year, but not for the Eagles. IF the Eagles win the SB again, then something could change."- in what ways could you envision it changing? Are you saying Foles could be the Eagles starter over Wentz if they win the SB?

Useful info comparing the two would be- average time from snap to throw, average opponent blitz rate, average yards per attempt, average air yards per completion, then some run based stats. Certainly filtering those stats across categories could be useful, ie when both QBs have X amount of time, what is their average air yards per completion.

[Vcize]

Two years now, Foles has taken the Eagles to the playoffs.

I'll dig into the crux of why I massively disagree with the concept of this post when I have more time later today, but I think this statement highlights a good part of it. The idea that Foles "took the Eagles to the playoffs" in 2017 is ridiculous. The Eagles were 11-2 when Foles took over.

They literally could have played with no QB after Wentz got hurt and they still would have made the playoffs.

[Pullo Vision]

Two years now, Foles has taken the Eagles to the playoffs.

I'll dig into the crux of why I massively disagree with the concept of this post when I have more time later today, but I think this statement highlights a good part of it. The idea that Foles "took the Eagles to the playoffs" in 2017 is ridiculous. The Eagles were 11-2 when Foles took over.

They literally could have played with no QB after Wentz got hurt and they still would have made the playoffs.

Exactly. I put that there to see who would bite. Looking forward to you parsing/skewering this whole thing, when you have time.

[Nanananananana]

Foles is a magic carpet riding fool.

No way he is a top 20 QB when he gets his full time job.

[Jigga94]

Foles is a magic carpet riding fool.

No way he is a top 20 QB when he gets his full time job.

Folesmagic

[Nanananananana]

I like it

[Servo]

I've always wondered if Foles' success is going to mentally scar or handicap Wentz in the long run.

That Wentz won't ever live up to his Super Bowl.

[WhatWouldDitkaDo]

I cannot believe this debate still exists. My expectation is that some team will overpay for Foles this offseason, and he will promptly fall flat exactly like Case Keenum did this year in DEN.

[Phaded]

Foles is overrated..

But so is Wentz.

[thebeast]

I cannot believe this debate still exists. My expectation is that some team will overpay for Foles this offseason, and he will promptly fall flat exactly like Case Keenum did this year in DEN.

Really? I thought the point of the league is to win Super Bowls. Foles - 1, Wentz 0. If Foles wins another one this year Wentz will be looking for a new home.

[Phaded]

Something that I think is fair to wonder...
Did Jeff Fisher damage the progression of Nick Foles?

[Jigga94]

I cannot believe this debate still exists. My expectation is that some team will overpay for Foles this offseason, and he will promptly fall flat exactly like Case Keenum did this year in DEN.

Really? I thought the point of the league is to win Super Bowls. Foles - 1, Wentz 0. If Foles wins another one this year Wentz will be looking for a new home.

If Foles wins the SB again this year will he be up there with the all time greats like Eli with 2 SB? At least if he loses he will still have the company of Trent Dilfer and other 1 time SB winning QBs

[WhatWouldDitkaDo]

I cannot believe this debate still exists. My expectation is that some team will overpay for Foles this offseason, and he will promptly fall flat exactly like Case Keenum did this year in DEN.

Really? I thought the point of the league is to win Super Bowls. Foles - 1, Wentz 0. If Foles wins another one this year Wentz will be looking for a new home.