Thoughts on this situation

[snaps06]

As my profile pic obviously implies I'm super against vetoes, but this is a veto-worthy scenario. The guy getting Henry either needs to pay next year's fee or accept the fact that his roster is locked and the Henry-Bell trade is reversed.

[slaughterrt]

I would even venture to say that this was a trade out of spite to the next owner and to the league. Seems he is kind of a dbag across multiple leagues. It wouldn’t surprise me if he was the type of owner who would try to intentionally screw the team up for the next owner...trade away all the good pieces for pennies on the dollar...and make it that much harder for the new owner.

[moishetreats]

Honestly, I think that y'all are missing something big here.

In dynasty leagues, you have to pre-pay by one year. Non-negotiable. Is that this case in this league? If so, then there no problem at all with this trade. He's trading a future asset for a win-now asset. And, if has pre-paid, then who cares if he leaves? If you find a replacement owner, then all is good. If you don't, then he doesn't get his money back. It's his own cash that will serve as his check-and-balance. (For reference, I am closing in on trading away A. Jones for Kupp to a desperate win-now owner. Should we be kicked out??)

If there is no pre-paid option, then you brought this on the league yourselves. Chalk it up as a learning lesson.

Moreover, you cannot block this trade. He paid his money for this year and he is making a move to compete THIS year. If you do block the trade, then the league owes him a refund.

Look, I hate dealing with a--holes in my leagues, too. The time to deal with them, though, is the off-season. Once they've paid, they have bought the right to play.

Finally, if the only reason that you're blocking this trade is because he said that he is leaving, then the message received will be NOT to be up front with the league telling you that he's planning for this year to be his last. In that case, it would be even worse: he'd be trading the future and then jumping ship to everyone's surprise.

Sorry, but I think that you're all looking at this the wrong way.

[joeday]

Honestly, I think that y'all are missing something big here.

In dynasty leagues, you have to pre-pay by one year. Non-negotiable. Is that this case in this league? If so, then there no problem at all with this trade. He's trading a future asset for a win-now asset. And, if has pre-paid, then who cares if he leaves? If you find a replacement owner, then all is good. If you don't, then he doesn't get his money back. It's his own cash that will serve as his check-and-balance. (For reference, I am closing in on trading away A. Jones for Kupp to a desperate win-now owner. Should we be kicked out??)

If there is no pre-paid option, then you brought this on the league yourselves. Chalk it up as a learning lesson.

Moreover, you cannot block this trade. He paid his money for this year and he is making a move to compete THIS year. If you do block the trade, then the league owes him a refund.

Look, I hate dealing with a--holes in my leagues, too. The time to deal with them, though, is the off-season. Once they've paid, they have bought the right to play.

Finally, if the only reason that you're blocking this trade is because he said that he is leaving, then the message received will be NOT to be up front with the league telling you that he's planning for this year to be his last. In that case, it would be even worse: he'd be trading the future and then jumping ship to everyone's surprise.

Sorry, but I think that you're all looking at this the wrong way.

Do you really think the Kupp for Jones is a comparable situation? If so, we will agree to disagree.

[jordanzs]

That owner sounds like a douche-nozzle.

Once his intentions to leave the league were announced, his trades need to be watched over and vetoable.

[bjd5211]

Honestly, I think that y'all are missing something big here.

In dynasty leagues, you have to pre-pay by one year. Non-negotiable. Is that this case in this league? If so, then there no problem at all with this trade. He's trading a future asset for a win-now asset. And, if has pre-paid, then who cares if he leaves? If you find a replacement owner, then all is good. If you don't, then he doesn't get his money back. It's his own cash that will serve as his check-and-balance. (For reference, I am closing in on trading away A. Jones for Kupp to a desperate win-now owner. Should we be kicked out??)

If there is no pre-paid option, then you brought this on the league yourselves. Chalk it up as a learning lesson.

Moreover, you cannot block this trade. He paid his money for this year and he is making a move to compete THIS year. If you do block the trade, then the league owes him a refund.

Look, I hate dealing with a--holes in my leagues, too. The time to deal with them, though, is the off-season. Once they've paid, they have bought the right to play.

Finally, if the only reason that you're blocking this trade is because he said that he is leaving, then the message received will be NOT to be up front with the league telling you that he's planning for this year to be his last. In that case, it would be even worse: he'd be trading the future and then jumping ship to everyone's surprise.

Sorry, but I think that you're all looking at this the wrong way.

Every league I'm part of and know of through others does not require payment of future seasons unless draft picks have been moved, otherwise payment is due prior to beginning of the rookie draft. The only exception being new leagues and paying for the first two seasons of the league to help maintain continuity during the start of the league. So it is definitely not out of the norm to have an owner not paid up for the following season.

After seeing further information from OP this trade is obviously a malicious move by a notoriously difficult owner with the intent of causing chaos in the league on his way out. He's throwing a tantrum and quitting the league over not getting his way with getting a rule bent in his favor. You don't get your money back for being a dick, he can play out the rest of the season and if he earns a payout under league rules then he gets it, if not he gets nothing. Either way his involvement and further investment in the league is over.

And your trade is an irrelevant comparison. For one it's pretty much even on value anyway but that doesn't matter much, second and more importantly you are both commited players to the league and will be around next year so are free to what you want with your trade. I'm on record in this thread saying that the trade should be allowed to go through if the Bell owner committed and paid for next season, but I guarantee he wouldn't do that trade if he had to live with the future consequences of it, which he doesn't seeing as he's leaving.

[sloth8u]

Honestly, I think that y'all are missing something big here.

In dynasty leagues, you have to pre-pay by one year. Non-negotiable. Is that this case in this league? If so, then there no problem at all with this trade. He's trading a future asset for a win-now asset. And, if has pre-paid, then who cares if he leaves? If you find a replacement owner, then all is good. If you don't, then he doesn't get his money back. It's his own cash that will serve as his check-and-balance. (For reference, I am closing in on trading away A. Jones for Kupp to a desperate win-now owner. Should we be kicked out??)

If there is no pre-paid option, then you brought this on the league yourselves. Chalk it up as a learning lesson.

Moreover, you cannot block this trade. He paid his money for this year and he is making a move to compete THIS year. If you do block the trade, then the league owes him a refund.

Look, I hate dealing with a--holes in my leagues, too. The time to deal with them, though, is the off-season. Once they've paid, they have bought the right to play.

Finally, if the only reason that you're blocking this trade is because he said that he is leaving, then the message received will be NOT to be up front with the league telling you that he's planning for this year to be his last. In that case, it would be even worse: he'd be trading the future and then jumping ship to everyone's surprise.

Sorry, but I think that you're all looking at this the wrong way.

Do you really think the Kupp for Jones is a comparable situation? If so, we will agree to disagree.

Why is it not?

I get the sense that you feel the trade itself is the problem. Not that he's leaving or that he seems to be a bit of a jerk. would the trade be fine if you didnt know he was leaving? Most dont give an advance for their departure. They just leave and ive yet to see a commish go back and undo trades that a departing owner has made prior to leaving.

As mentioned, it sounds like everyone paid for this year only. You have to let him run his team (imo) if he is in the hunt for playoffs. if not in the hunt..... Sure, just reverse it and replace now.

With bell being out.... Im not sure you/your leaguemates have much gripe. He has and will give sbsolutely nothing this year. Tough to put a general value to that. the only answer is to lock the roster if you know someone is leaving, but you'll never know when that is. Gl

[mullmania]

In September I had an owner inform 2 of his buddies that he was probably leaving the league via text.

Next day he traded Marvin Jones for D Jax and Alshon Jeffrey for a 2nd round pick to the 2 friends he told he was leaving..


I slept on it, decided to find a replacement owner ASAP since he confirmed he was leaving and agreed to refund his money as well as reversed both trades.

The principle factor being that he expressed intent to leave.

[sloth8u]

In September I had an owner inform 2 of his buddies that he was probably leaving the league via text.

Next day he traded Marvin Jones for D Jax and Alshon Jeffrey for a 2nd round pick to the 2 friends he told he was leaving..


I slept on it, decided to find a replacement owner ASAP since he confirmed he was leaving and agreed to refund his money as well as reversed both trades.

The principle factor being that he expressed intent to leave.

Props for the refund. I think you handled it well. Certainly gotta replace if your going to reverse imo.

[Orenthal Shames]

If he paid up for next year's dues, let it stand. Otherwise, it can't go through.

[grooner]

I am surprised how many are saying you have to veto this trade.

As others have asked, would you veto the trade if the owner didn't mention that he was leaving? if you would, then maybe it is time to just replace the owner. If me being upfront made my life more difficult, I wouldn't tell the league anything.

[joeday]

Honestly, I think that y'all are missing something big here.

In dynasty leagues, you have to pre-pay by one year. Non-negotiable. Is that this case in this league? If so, then there no problem at all with this trade. He's trading a future asset for a win-now asset. And, if has pre-paid, then who cares if he leaves? If you find a replacement owner, then all is good. If you don't, then he doesn't get his money back. It's his own cash that will serve as his check-and-balance. (For reference, I am closing in on trading away A. Jones for Kupp to a desperate win-now owner. Should we be kicked out??)

If there is no pre-paid option, then you brought this on the league yourselves. Chalk it up as a learning lesson.

Moreover, you cannot block this trade. He paid his money for this year and he is making a move to compete THIS year. If you do block the trade, then the league owes him a refund.

Look, I hate dealing with a--holes in my leagues, too. The time to deal with them, though, is the off-season. Once they've paid, they have bought the right to play.

Finally, if the only reason that you're blocking this trade is because he said that he is leaving, then the message received will be NOT to be up front with the league telling you that he's planning for this year to be his last. In that case, it would be even worse: he'd be trading the future and then jumping ship to everyone's surprise.

Sorry, but I think that you're all looking at this the wrong way.

Do you really think the Kupp for Jones is a comparable situation? If so, we will agree to disagree.

Why is it not?

I get the sense that you feel the trade itself is the problem. Not that he's leaving or that he seems to be a bit of a jerk. would the trade be fine if you didnt know he was leaving? Most dont give an advance for their departure. They just leave and ive yet to see a commish go back and undo trades that a departing owner has made prior to leaving.

As mentioned, it sounds like everyone paid for this year only. You have to let him run his team (imo) if he is in the hunt for playoffs. if not in the hunt..... Sure, just reverse it and replace now.

With bell being out.... Im not sure you/your leaguemates have much gripe. He has and will give sbsolutely nothing this year. Tough to put a general value to that. the only answer is to lock the roster if you know someone is leaving, but you'll never know when that is. Gl

As someone else mentioned I don't believe it is a comparable situation because neither owner has told anyone they are leaving the league and the value of those two players are much closer than Bell and Henry. I have no problem with shitty deals that are put through. I roll my eyes but realize unless its collusion it is just someone making a dumb choice. I have gotten some of those deals myself. My problem is telling the commish and a few other owners you are leaving the league then trading a valuable dynasty asset for pennies on the dollar to someone you are in other leagues with.

[sloth8u]

If you believe he's gifting players/bell to someone.... You have every right to raise a fuss. The problem your going to run in to is proving it. The best solution is to reverse and replace imo since he's leaving... But only if he's out of the playoff picture can that happen.

A side note here: if you do choose to protest this... I would certainly not use "value" or anything related to "player value" as your arguement. Players valued similar to bell right now are traded for a late 1st each and every year (essentially where the value of henry is). Every time a trade in these ranges were to happen... The precedent will have been set. You also know that values can turn in a hurry. Focus on this owner knowingly leaving and locking his roster in any protest.

I'll mention (since you did), owners who play multiple leagues together do tend to work out deals. It just happens.

[hoos89]

I think the combination of (a) highly unbalanced trade, (b) owner who has a history of being a dickhead and (c) owner who has expressed that he's leaving is enough for me to unwind this. If the owner wants to stick around and try to win this season that's fine, but you can't let him just run the team into the ground before he goes...the combination of (a) and (b) leads me to believe he might be doing that. Have to think about the stability of the league at that point. The issue isn't just the value, but the value is part of it. Once a guy announces he's leaving I think his trades need some level of oversight, because you need someone to be willing to take over that team. I'd have no issue with him making a win-now trade by dealing Bell for a healthy player who's maybe a bit less valuable, but to trade him for the current RB42 just reeks of a spite trade.

I am surprised how many are saying you have to veto this trade.

As others have asked, would you veto the trade if the owner didn't mention that he was leaving? if you would, then maybe it is time to just replace the owner. If me being upfront made my life more difficult, I wouldn't tell the league anything.

Sounds more like he's being a whiny prick than being upfront.

[jetsfan5757]

Is the Bell owner looking to trade him for Henry in contention? If so, I would have my doubts about vetoing. Yes, he is screwing the next owner, but if the guy is in contention AND desperate for RB help and feels Henry (of all people) will help him win a championship, then I can see letting it stand.