Derek Carr Thread: King of the Underrated QBs

[Flschbrger]

Would love to see Raiders stay the course with Carr, and draft defense with those 1st round picks next year. Maybe add an RB and WR in rounds 2-3. Getting rid of Carr would REALLY set them back even more so than they currently are

That might be seen as a lost year in terms of development on offense if they slide a rookie in there. If they paired that with signing a good WR then I'm all for it. None of the starting WR's this year can be lining up in 2 or 3 WR sets next year.

[Pullo Vision]

Las Vegas Review Journal's Vincent Bonsignore writes "multiple teams" are expected to pursue a trade for Derek Carr.
The Raiders "figure to at least listen", especially if offers include multiple first-round picks. Carr's contract is very tradable for both parties. He'd only cost the Raiders $2.5 million in dead cap if traded, and the acquiring team would have Carr for two years at about $20 million per season, all non-guaranteed. Carr finished eighth in expected points added (EPA) per dropback last season and will only be 30 years old in 2021. Bonsignore lists the Colts, Bears, Patriots and Washington as potential suitors, along with the Texans if Deshaun Watson is actually available. If Carr is dealt for draft picks instead of players, the Raiders could turn to Marcus Mariota, who is due $11.4 million this upcoming season, as their short-term answer. But the big dream certainly is to flip Carr and the Raiders' own first-round picks into Watson.

Love "are expected", lol. This screams to me like it comes from the team, almost like Vegas is trying to see what they can get if Stafford went for 2 1sts.

Carr enters the competition for consolation prize options for teams that miss on Watson and Stafford. Guessing NFC teams like Washington, Carolina and Chicago. Could Vegas blacklist AFC teams?

If Vegas let go of Carr, are they comfortable with Mariota starting? FA option alternatives?

[AussieMate]

This isn't a dig at Carr but we've seen for years now that teams will sit on a mediocre to ok QB for years before trying to change that, I'm pretty excited to see a market for QB's to open up with Stafford and Goff getting traded, Watson possibly on the outer along with Wentz and even talks of Carr and Rodgers. There are plenty of QB's like Tanni who I think would benefit from learning on a new team with different philosophies, if this was to start becoming the norm I think we might see a few more QB's rise from purgatory like Tanni, interesting times in the NFL.

[mild]

Love "are expected", lol. This screams to me like it comes from the team, almost like Vegas is trying to see what they can get if Stafford went for 2 1sts.

I got exactly the same vibe. I think this is them trying to shadow-box their way into the DeShaun Watson sweepstakes; kinda like the guy at the Poker Table who thinks he's being sneaky-smaaaht (but is actually infinitely readable). Gruden comparing Carr to Brady on the Collinsworth podcast yesterday was just -long infinite groan-.

Contract-wise, this does make a certain amount of sense for LVR - any Carr trade would incur a 2.5 million dollar dead cap for 2021 and nothing in the future (and he's due 22 million if they keep him); meanwhile they've got the highest paid backup QB in the league in Mariota due 10 million if they keep him for 2021.

Certainly they're not going to beat the Chiefs for the division any time soon, and they'll probably be a distant 3rd to the Chargers no less - so you might as well see what Carr fetches if you can get more-or-less the same production out of Mariota and anything close to the haul DET got for Stafford.

[Pac_Eddy]

This isn't a dig at Carr but we've seen for years now that teams will sit on a mediocre to ok QB for years before trying to change that, I'm pretty excited to see a market for QB's to open up with Stafford and Goff getting traded, Watson possibly on the outer along with Wentz and even talks of Carr and Rodgers. There are plenty of QB's like Tanni who I think would benefit from learning on a new team with different philosophies, if this was to start becoming the norm I think we might see a few more QB's rise from purgatory like Tanni, interesting times in the NFL.

Great point. I'd love if this were more the norm. And I love turmoil for fantasy football purposes too.

[Jigga94]

I'm all for them moving on from Carr given his price and dead cap. I don't see Mariota as a solution, but I would love it as I'm holding him on 1 team.

I've always been what seems to be very low on Carr compared to consensus. A lot of people throw him in that Stafford, Goff range but he's more in the Jimmy G, Trubisky range for me. Low end QB2 but his numbers most years are steady. I still think the Raiders could do better

[tresskid84]

Let the Gruden churning of QBs begin!!!!!!!!

[killer_of_giants]

"some people may call the raiders, and the raiders might even answer the phone!"

sensational journalism right there.

[ArrylT]

https://www.raidersbeat.com/pff-analyst ... -15-years/


PFF showing some love for Derek Carr

[ArrylT]

AFC Offensive Player of the Month.

[CGW]

I'd think the true King of the Underrated QBs would have to be Cousins, but Carr can be honorable mention.

[FantasyFreak]

I'd think the true King of the Underrated QBs would have to be Cousins, but Carr can be honorable mention.

I mean, Carr was late 20's behind guys like Winston, Goff, Daniel Jones, I think even Jimmy G in a lot of Dynasty ranks this off season. It was crazy. He was such a value.

[CGW]

I'd think the true King of the Underrated QBs would have to be Cousins, but Carr can be honorable mention.

I mean, Carr was late 20's behind guys like Winston, Goff, Daniel Jones, I think even Jimmy G in a lot of Dynasty ranks this off season. It was crazy. He was such a value.

Any idea if he was above Cousins at that point? Currently, hes 4 spots ahead of Cousins.

[ArrylT]

I'd think the true King of the Underrated QBs would have to be Cousins, but Carr can be honorable mention.

I'll certainly have no issue with anyone preferring Cousins to be their underrated QB, especially in terms of fantasy as Cousins has slightly more Yardage & TD.

However I will mention this stat

Cousins has 16 Game Winning Drives and 11 4th Quarter comebacks
Carr has 26 Game Winning Drives and 22 4th Quarter comebacks

As such I think Carr is more underrated in terms of an NFL QB, even if Cousins probably has more fantasy appeal. And admittedly Cousins had to compete with Kupp for NFC Player of the Month.

Either way I quite agree that Cousins is underrated.

[FantasyFreak]

I'd think the true King of the Underrated QBs would have to be Cousins, but Carr can be honorable mention.

I mean, Carr was late 20's behind guys like Winston, Goff, Daniel Jones, I think even Jimmy G in a lot of Dynasty ranks this off season. It was crazy. He was such a value.

Any idea if he was above Cousins at that point? Currently, hes 4 spots ahead of Cousins.

He was below Cousins at that point. However I can see your point, too. Cousins has been very under rated.