Which Of These Are Examples Of Collusion?

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Which Of These Are Examples Of Collusion?

Postby turcorox911 » Sun Oct 14, 2018 12:07 pm

I ask this question because people say that if tanking isn't against the rules, then it's fair game, but what about collusion? I'll give some examples below.

Scenario 1: Team A trades players to Team B and they agree to split any earnings

Scenario 2: Team C trades star players to Team D, but it is for what the league has determined as fair-market value. There is no agreement to split earnings, but Team C wants to trade to Team D because he dislikes the other owners in the league and wants to make things tougher for them.

Scenario 3: Team E agrees to not enter into trade talks that Team F is involved in, because Teams E and F have a close personal bond. Likewise, Team F agrees to not enter into trade talks if Team E is involved, but Team G wants to hear bids from all interested teams.

Scenario 4: Team H agrees to trade a certain package of draft picks to Team I, if Team I beats Team H in their matchup that week. The trade would still be for fair-market-value though. Also assume that teams have been able to make low-stakes bets like this in the past, but this particular instance definitely raises the stakes. No rule against bets though.

Scenario 5: Team J makes a bid on a free agent. Team J cannot increase his own bid on the player, so he asks Team K to increase the bid, so that Team J can come in after him and bid the player up again to the price that he wants. Team J is successful in doing this.

Scenario 6: The commissioner sends out mass texts to everyone in the league telling them to increase the bid on a star free agent. The commissioner is successful in doing this.

Please discuss below. Thanks
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Re: If Collusion Isn't Against The Rules, Then Would You Try It?

Postby skip » Sun Oct 14, 2018 12:21 pm

Ugh, he's back...

Collusion is always against the rules. Try it and you should be kicked out of your league.
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Re: If Collusion Isn't Against The Rules, Then Would You Try It?

Postby Phaded » Sun Oct 14, 2018 12:40 pm

lol.
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Re: If Collusion Isn't Against The Rules, Then Would You Try It?

Postby turcorox911 » Sun Oct 14, 2018 12:41 pm

skip wrote:
Sun Oct 14, 2018 12:21 pm
Ugh, he's back...

Collusion is always against the rules. Try it and you should be kicked out of your league.
So are all 4 scenarios examples of collusion?

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Re: If Collusion Isn't Against The Rules, Then Would You Try It?

Postby Jigga94 » Sun Oct 14, 2018 1:56 pm

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Re: If Collusion Isn't Against The Rules, Then Would You Try It?

Postby ArrylT » Sun Oct 14, 2018 1:59 pm

I think like anything, what is considered collusion is in the eye of the beholder - as we've already seen the division on accepting trade offers after news alters value - so while most owners have a broad agreement on what is considered collusion when you get into more specifics it is harder for owners to agree.
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Re: If Collusion Isn't Against The Rules, Then Would You Try It?

Postby _yeti » Sun Oct 14, 2018 2:11 pm

You got some issues, Stan, I think you need some counseling
To help your a** from bouncing off the walls when you get down some
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Re: If Collusion Isn't Against The Rules, Then Would You Try It?

Postby ArrylT » Sun Oct 14, 2018 2:17 pm

_yeti wrote:
Sun Oct 14, 2018 2:11 pm
You got some issues, Stan, I think you need some counseling
To help your a** from bouncing off the walls when you get down some
If you need help remembering the rest of the lyrics I posted a link to the music video on the Music thread in Off-Topic. 8-)
Please speak to clarion contrarion before considering the use of vetos..

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Re: If Collusion Isn't Against The Rules, Then Would You Try It?

Postby slaughterrt » Sun Oct 14, 2018 6:55 pm

Scenario 5: Linebacker “A” receives information that is not available to the public from Banker “B” in exchange for tickets and cash. The rest of the league was unaware of the transaction and the transaction included compensation that was outside of league control.
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Re: If Collusion Isn't Against The Rules, Then Would You Try It?

Postby Bot101 » Sun Oct 14, 2018 6:55 pm

I do have some good news





































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Re: If Collusion Isn't Against The Rules, Then Would You Try It?

Postby ArrylT » Sun Oct 14, 2018 8:08 pm

Well if your team continues to struggle that will be a nice silver lining! :thumbup:
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Re: If Collusion Isn't Against The Rules, Then Would You Try It?

Postby Bot101 » Sun Oct 14, 2018 8:13 pm

ArrylT wrote:
Sun Oct 14, 2018 8:08 pm
Well if your team continues to struggle that will be a nice silver lining! :thumbup:
Yes its been fantastic. Flo from Progressive and the Aflac duck were really disappointing.
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Re: If Collusion Isn't Against The Rules, Then Would You Try It?

Postby Cult of Dionysus » Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:49 pm

I'm with Liberty Mutual. Very happy with them. GEICO was alright as well.
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Re: If Collusion Isn't Against The Rules, Then Would You Try It?

Postby FantasyFreak » Sun Oct 14, 2018 10:12 pm

Cult of Dionysus wrote:
Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:49 pm
I'm with Liberty Mutual. Very happy with them. GEICO was alright as well.
But that doesn't answer the question. IF player A is travelling at 21 MPH, and player C is travelling towards him with the wind in his face at 10 MPH, while he himself is travelling at 18 MPH, and player E is trading with Player X on a Spider Y banana audible, but the banana is green, and therefor not ready to be called into action, does owner F with knowledge of all of this with his Physics major and lawyers degree and tin foil hat benefit from purposely wasting time while the banana ripens, and does he actually care about the responses, or does he enjoy wasting people's time on purpose? AND if he does do it on purpose, does the time he wastes himself on trying to waste other peoples time detract him from being purposeful when the people who's time he tried to waste end up having fun with it between one another, because if people have enjoyable experience together when the intent was to waste their time, does the question then become irrelevant, and does the intent not become voided, and the only time that was wasted was on the one who was trying to waste the time of others?

Also, are future picks involved in any of these deals, and do they pay future league dues? :thumbup: :wave: :biggrin:
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Re: If Collusion Isn't Against The Rules, Then Would You Try It?

Postby Pullo Vision » Sun Oct 14, 2018 10:47 pm

Even if a league's rules expressly allows collusion (like in your examples here), I'm willing to bet people giving direct answers would say they'd still be fundamentally opposed to collusion.
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