Can James White sustain this?

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Re: Can James White sustain this?

Postby Dr. Trades » Sun Nov 18, 2018 6:42 am

Was looking around for a thread on this guy. I'm in win now, buy now mode in my super flex league and considering purchasing him. So the question now is, after seeing James White do this for 10 games this year, what is his long term value? His ADP on this site has climbed all the way into the 40's! Only 5-10 spots below guys like Sony Michel himself, and Penny and Chubb. White is 26yo and given he's more the COP back getting receptions, his longevity shouldn't be an issue. He also has 2 more years on his contract in NE, and it seems like Brady is going to continue dumping it off the older Brady gets.

Do you guys see White continuing this for a few more years? Or is this a one hit wonder year? What other factors should we be taking into consideration for this guy? Poor RB class coming in 2019 as well, so I'm wondering if I should be buying White for a 1st and 2nd and trying to make a strong playoff push...
League 1: 12 Team League (0.5 ppr WR/RB, 0.75 TE)
QB: Dak, Rodgers, Jimmy G
RB: Henry, Mixon, Swift, AJ Dillon, Jamaal Williams, TDP, Zamir White, Dontrell Hilliard, Hassan Haskins, Joshua Kelley, Chris Evans, Jaylen Warren
WR: JJefferson, AJ Brown, Deebo, DJ Moore, Keenan Allan, Russell Gage, George Pickens, Isaiah McKenzie, Westbrook-Ikhine
TE: Dalton Schultz, Logan Thomas, Daniel Bellinger
D/St: 49ers, Cowboys

League 2: 12 team (28 roster spots) Superflex/TE premium (qb 4pts per TD, all others 6pts per TD, WR/RB 0.1 ppc and 0.75ppr, TE 1.5 ppr)
QB: Rodgers, Stafford, T. Lawrence
RB: javonte, ETN, Eli Mitchell, AJ Dillon, Michael Carter, TDP, Marlon Mack, Jaylen Warren, Darrel Williams, Kene Nguwanu, Trey Sermon
WR: J. Chase, Tee Higgins, Mike Williams, KJ Hamler, Calvin Austin 3, Danny Gray, Erik Ezukanma
TE: Schultz, Fant, Evan Engram, Jelani Woods, Noah Gray, Durham Smythe, Josiah Deguara, Brycen Hopkins

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Re: Can James White sustain this?

Postby Cameron Giles » Sun Nov 18, 2018 7:12 am

He's on pace for 106 receptions and 16 total TDs. I don't think he's going to repeat seasons like this, but he'll still have games where he returns RB1 value in PPR. If you're trying to win now, I wouldn't hesitate to move a 1st and a 2nd, though you may be able to get a better RB with that package.

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Re: Can James White sustain this?

Postby hockeyBjj » Fri Jan 04, 2019 9:53 am

So, including week 17, James White ended up the RB6 in ppr

Weeks 10-16 however, he was RB35

Great guy to help your record and seeding or survive a different RB's mid season injury. Not so much a guy to be relied on to help you down the stretch or win a champion
Team 1- 10 team ppr, 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 2Flx, 1D, 1K
2022: 1-8
Finishes: 6th, 6th, 1st, 5th, 6th, 9th
QB: Lamar Jackson, Purdy
RB: Bijan, Dobbins, Achane, Charbonnet, Algier, McBride, waiver trash
WR: JSN, QJ, Addison, Dotson, Skyy Moore, Jameson Williams, Hyatt, T Dell, Boutte, Skowronek, Quez Watkins, Greg Dortch, waiver trash
TE: Hockenson, F Monroe, Juwan, Musgrave
D/K: Patriots, Vikings, Saints, Dicker

picks-
2024- 1,1,1,1,2,2,2,3,3,4,5,5
2025 1,1,1,2,3,4,5

team 2- 12 team SF, .5PPR, .5TE boost, 1QB, 1SF, 2 RB, 3WR, 1TE, 2Flex
2022: 8-1
Finishes: 2nd, 2nd, 2nd, 2nd :wall:
QB: Ljax, GenoD Jones, Minshew, Dobbs
RB: CMC, Stevenson, A Jones, Chubb, A Mattison, D cook, Perine, Mckinnon,
WR:Tyreek, Diggs, C Kupp, D Adams, Keenan Allen, Lockett, Gallup, A Lazard, Hodgins
TE: Kelce, LaPorta, Irv Smith,
No picks until 2026 5th rounder lol

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Re: Can James White sustain this?

Postby Jfever » Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:11 am

hockeyBjj wrote: Fri Jan 04, 2019 9:53 am So, including week 17, James White ended up the RB6 in ppr

Weeks 10-16 however, he was RB35

Great guy to help your record and seeding or survive a different RB's mid season injury. Not so much a guy to be relied on to help you down the stretch or win a champion

I wonder how many rb in the league this statement could apply to. LOTS I'm thinking.
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Re: Can James White sustain this?

Postby DLF3000 » Sat Jan 05, 2019 6:46 am

Yeah, for a while he made me look like a fool, but he eventually finally screwed you when it counted most, like I always expect from the chaos that is Patriots backfields.
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Re: Can James White sustain this?

Postby hockeyBjj » Thu Jan 10, 2019 10:15 am

DLF3000 wrote: Sat Jan 05, 2019 6:46 am Yeah, for a while he made me look like a fool, but he eventually finally screwed you when it counted most, like I always expect from the chaos that is Patriots backfields.
:lol: there were a lot posters recommending others buy James White for a late first on their contending team to help with a playoff push. I wonder how many of them took that advice and what their feelings are now? :wall:

James White sure helped me as I got the 2 seed and a bye and was able to win my Ship. Would be foolish to not appreciate the impact he had on my mid season wins. Thankfully Dalvin Cook was back and producing again right around the time James White disappeared
Team 1- 10 team ppr, 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 2Flx, 1D, 1K
2022: 1-8
Finishes: 6th, 6th, 1st, 5th, 6th, 9th
QB: Lamar Jackson, Purdy
RB: Bijan, Dobbins, Achane, Charbonnet, Algier, McBride, waiver trash
WR: JSN, QJ, Addison, Dotson, Skyy Moore, Jameson Williams, Hyatt, T Dell, Boutte, Skowronek, Quez Watkins, Greg Dortch, waiver trash
TE: Hockenson, F Monroe, Juwan, Musgrave
D/K: Patriots, Vikings, Saints, Dicker

picks-
2024- 1,1,1,1,2,2,2,3,3,4,5,5
2025 1,1,1,2,3,4,5

team 2- 12 team SF, .5PPR, .5TE boost, 1QB, 1SF, 2 RB, 3WR, 1TE, 2Flex
2022: 8-1
Finishes: 2nd, 2nd, 2nd, 2nd :wall:
QB: Ljax, GenoD Jones, Minshew, Dobbs
RB: CMC, Stevenson, A Jones, Chubb, A Mattison, D cook, Perine, Mckinnon,
WR:Tyreek, Diggs, C Kupp, D Adams, Keenan Allen, Lockett, Gallup, A Lazard, Hodgins
TE: Kelce, LaPorta, Irv Smith,
No picks until 2026 5th rounder lol

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Re: Can James White sustain this?

Postby honcho55 » Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:35 am

I had no faith in him for my playoff push this year, and for once I was right. My Achilles heel is usually starting the wrong guys.

Looking forward I think at a minimum he has nice value as a guy you can start as an RB1 if/when he’s there’s injuries. I foresee a regression to normal in TDs, and I don’t think he grabs quite that many catches but still a solid guy to roster.

Then again Sony could really take over, Burkhead Could re-emerge, Patterson could start getting more consistent looks at RB, who frickin knows with that team.

Also if/when Brady retires, where does that leave ALL of these guys?
main league, half PPR, all TDs 6, -3 for INT
12 team. 2019 champ, 2020 runner up, ‘21 3rd
start 2SF, 2RB, 2WR, 1TE, 2WRT

QB: T Lawrence, K Cousins, R Wilson, Z Wilson
RB: K Walker, T Ettiene, JK Dobbins, D Gore, J Hasty, D Johnson, L Rountree
WR: JJ, AJB, A Cooper, Juju, C Kirk, J Dotson, N Westbrook-Ikhine, I McKenzie
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Re: Can James White sustain this?

Postby FantasyFreak » Sun Feb 10, 2019 8:41 pm

Curious to see if White is as potent in the passing game next year. Pats just won with Sony running, White receiving formula. Is White a buy if you can get him for a late first?
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Re: Can James White sustain this?

Postby Patsfan86 » Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:28 am

FantasyFreak wrote: Sun Feb 10, 2019 8:41 pm Curious to see if White is as potent in the passing game next year. Pats just won with Sony running, White receiving formula. Is White a buy if you can get him for a late first?
Really need to wait on this until after FA and the draft. Part of the reason White was so successful was because he was their best receiving threat after Edelman, and he was their best receiving threat when Edelman was suspended. Gronk was not Gronk. If pats do come back with this same receiving core than I say do it, but if they sign a few and draft a few than its a major risk. I think they make some moves for a WR.

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Re: Can James White sustain this?

Postby Jfever » Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:39 am

Them signing a wr or drafting a receiving threat to add to their offense won't make J.White less good at what he does though. I think my biggest concern with White would be 1. Will Brady retire, and 2. Will Gronk retire, and.... what about Edelman whom is 32 going on 33... If Brady stays... all is good for White's outlook & my gut is telling me that J.White will have very good ppr value moving forward in that case. If Brady retires, I reserve the right to change my stance though. I think Gronk retires this off season, (which I think he will), I see the Pats leaning heavily on J.White and the short passing game when game script calls for it. Sony did show that he can run and run well between the tackles. James White is a special talent when it comes to the passing game and BB has shown that he is more than willing to flip the script when the situation calls for it.
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Re: Can James White sustain this?

Postby Servo » Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:46 am

Every WR but Edelman is a FA this year, and let's be honest...do they really need Chris Hogan, Dorsett and Patterson back? I could see them resigning CPatt due to his multi-faceted usage. They couldn't possibly rely on Josh Gordon coming back healthy.

Wonder if NE could be a darkhorse to draft a WR like a Harry or Harmon type. If that's the case, I imagine White would still remain heavily involved.

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Re: Can James White sustain this?

Postby Patsfan86 » Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:51 am

White is a great player and I love him as a Pats fan but that doesn't change the fact that this was one of the worst Pats Receiving cores they have ever had. White got a lot more targets because of that. I do see the pats drafting a Wr, I think they are going to follow the pattern of giving Brady some young weapons around him to help extend his career as long as possible while at the same time preparing for the future after Brady. That's what the Michel pick came down to. Im sure they will sign some vet guys also but I would not be surprised if they take a WR. If you are going to give up a first for White I still say wait and see.

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Re: Can James White sustain this?

Postby Jfever » Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:53 am

Man... in one of my leagues this trade just went down. Team X gives up Chris Hogan, J.White, Year 2019 Draft Pick 3.10
Team Z gave up Miller, Lamar; Year 2019 Draft Pick 1.01

:wtf: I just don't get it.
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Re: Can James White sustain this?

Postby Patsfan86 » Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:56 am

JFever wrote: Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:53 am Man... in one of my leagues this trade just went down. Team X gives up Chris Hogan, J.White, Year 2019 Draft Pick 3.10
Team Z gave up Miller, Lamar; Year 2019 Draft Pick 1.01

:wtf: I just don't get it.
This is horrendous, Is Team Z a pats fan? Im the biggest Pats homer around and I wouldn't touch this trade.

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Re: Can James White sustain this?

Postby Jfever » Mon Feb 11, 2019 12:13 pm

Full disclosure - Team Z is new to the league and new to dynasty formats from what I'm told. I don't know the guy personally. Put it this way, last week Wednesday / Thursday, I look through rosters, see that I need to cut some salary, and I look for rosters that could use some depth in order to compete and or get or stay relevant for a shot at making the playoffs and also have some potential roster cap space to add players. I see a team that could have some roster cap space with a couple easy cuts, and that needs a little rb depth and really needs some wr help, like bad. I offer (to get talks started I'm thinking at the time) - I offer Adrian Peterson (Remember, I need to cut some salary...), E.Sanders, Keelan Cole, and a 3rd round 2019 rookie pick and ask for his 2020 1st which at this time, imo, projects to be top half. Without counter, he accepts the next day (Saturday). I feel guilty, but remind myself that we are all adults, this is for a league with 150 dollar buy in and large rewards. Im at my son's wrestling tournament... doing some wheeling and dealing on my phone and have very spotty reception to make matters worse. So.... I try to justify it, and hope that E.Sanders helps him, and that AP has a year left in him to give him some rb depth... and that Jacksonville's qb situation changes & helps Cole to be more productive. I mean.... jeez.

A day goes by, then the same owner that traded me his 2020 first, goes on and does this thing - where he trades one of his best rb's in L.Miller AND his 2019 1.01 for J.White and Chris Hogan and a 3rd round rookie pick. I feel guilty as heck. I think this owner is now being circled by the sharks and I caused it. Maybe he is a Pat's fan. I'm really not sure at this point. I think I'm going to reach out to him and offer some help. What to do?
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