Leonard Fournette, crash coming?

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Re: Leonard Fournette, crash coming?

Postby MrUbuto » Tue Oct 09, 2018 7:23 pm

heyfeefellskee wrote:
Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:24 pm
MrUbuto wrote:
Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:18 pm
Would anyone trade derrick henry for fournette?

Thinking about offering henry and a 2nd for fournette to a guy I know likes henry
10 times out of 10.

I'd give very low odds to that offer getting accepted, though.
yea I doubt he would either but I don't think it's a bad starting point for DH believers
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Re: Leonard Fournette, crash coming?

Postby ArrylT » Tue Oct 09, 2018 8:45 pm

grandmabetty wrote:
Tue Oct 09, 2018 2:31 pm
would you two like to take this little love quarrel elsewhere? perhaps you two would be more comfortable in one of our private forum rooms
But then what would we do with our popcorn? :(
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Re: Leonard Fournette, crash coming?

Postby ArrylT » Tue Oct 09, 2018 8:47 pm

MrUbuto wrote:
Tue Oct 09, 2018 7:23 pm
heyfeefellskee wrote:
Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:24 pm
MrUbuto wrote:
Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:18 pm
Would anyone trade derrick henry for fournette?

Thinking about offering henry and a 2nd for fournette to a guy I know likes henry
10 times out of 10.

I'd give very low odds to that offer getting accepted, though.
yea I doubt he would either but I don't think it's a bad starting point for DH believers
They should mention Henry has missed a total of 1 game over the last 2 1/2 seasons. 8-)
Please speak to clarion contrarion before considering the use of vetos..

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Re: Leonard Fournette, crash coming?

Postby 0LDMAN » Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:25 pm

heyfeefellskee wrote:
Tue Oct 09, 2018 12:39 pm
dm1129 wrote:
Tue Oct 09, 2018 12:32 pm
heyfeefellskee wrote:
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When you have a player missing 3 (and 2 half) games due to injury in a game where a season is 16 weeks, yes.

Again, we aren't talking real football here. We are talking fantasy. You need players to score points in fantasy. And in order to those players to score points, you need them to be doing things on the field.

Not being on the field = not scoring points.

When you own a player that shows a pattern over the course of 2+ seasons of being unable to play due to [minor] injuries, it is 100% significant in terms of dynasty.
Judging by your avatar, you must be using your medical crystal ball to detemine that Fournette has a pattern of medical issues which will continue into the future. Got it.
I've got great news for you--no crystal ball is needed! That's right, anyone can look at his NFL career and see how his health has affected his play. Yes--even you!

2016 (Final year at LSU)
  • Ankle (missed 4 games)
2017:
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  • Quadricep strain--missed 1 game
2018:
  • Hamstring sprain--currently on track to miss 3 games; unable to finish 2 games.
Denying the fact that games missed = no points scored = impact on your roster is plain foolishness.

Did Heyfeefellskee just come to my defense? Am I dead? Have I ascended into some sort of dynasty heaven?
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QB: T. Brady, Trubisky, M. Ryan, M. Stafford, Josh Allen, Josh Dobbs
RB: DJ, Gurley, Barkley, Ajayi, KJ, Aaron Jones, M. Breida, Chris Carson, Chris Warren, Ito Smith,
WR: OBJ, D. Adams, Tyreek Hill, AROB, Kenny Golladay, Tyrell Williams, Antonio Callaway, Justin Watson, Tyler Boyd, Chad Williams, Dorsett
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Re: Leonard Fournette, crash coming?

Postby heyfeefellskee » Wed Oct 10, 2018 5:19 am

0LDMAN wrote:
Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:25 pm
heyfeefellskee wrote:
Tue Oct 09, 2018 12:39 pm
dm1129 wrote:
Tue Oct 09, 2018 12:32 pm


Judging by your avatar, you must be using your medical crystal ball to detemine that Fournette has a pattern of medical issues which will continue into the future. Got it.
I've got great news for you--no crystal ball is needed! That's right, anyone can look at his NFL career and see how his health has affected his play. Yes--even you!

2016 (Final year at LSU)
  • Ankle (missed 4 games)
2017:
  • Ankle Sprain--missed 1 game
  • Quadricep strain--missed 1 game
2018:
  • Hamstring sprain--currently on track to miss 3 games; unable to finish 2 games.
Denying the fact that games missed = no points scored = impact on your roster is plain foolishness.

Did Heyfeefellskee just come to my defense? Am I dead? Have I ascended into some sort of dynasty heaven?
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Re: Leonard Fournette, crash coming?

Postby Servo » Wed Oct 10, 2018 7:17 am

I think JAX just needs to place the guy on IR until he's able to come back later this season.

He already tried rushing back once and it prolonged the injury.
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Re: Leonard Fournette, crash coming?

Postby heyfeefellskee » Wed Oct 10, 2018 10:39 am

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Re: Leonard Fournette, crash coming?

Postby ArrylT » Wed Oct 10, 2018 2:57 pm

If true - it makes me feel more confident after declining a Fournette for Mixon straight up deal recently. Still sux but better safe than sorry. 8-)
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Re: Leonard Fournette, crash coming?

Postby Dynasty DeLorean » Wed Oct 10, 2018 6:12 pm

As a Fournette owner, thank God lmao.

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Re: Leonard Fournette, crash coming?

Postby DJB » Fri Oct 12, 2018 4:00 pm

JFever wrote:
Tue Oct 09, 2018 12:43 pm
I see both sides here. His injury history includes several soft tissue problems and minor sprains. When he isn't able to play or finish games, yes, it affects his dynasty performance and value. However, at the same time, we have to remind ourselves that we aren't talking Achilles injurys or ACL, or even multiple serious concussions - and, just as important - that he is 23. Last year he missed 4 games I think, and accounted for about 1300 total yards and around 10 TDs. So... both sides have points.

Bottom line is, because of his injury history he isn't included in the top tier of dynasty rb's. Until he can overcome the soft tissue issues and minor injuries that he has been going through that cause him to miss time, he'll remain toward the bottom of that 2nd tier or so. I acquired him recently and he will be my 3rd or 4th rb, so for me, on that team, I can afford some patience. If you are depending on him right now as your rb1 on your squad, or have in the recent past while he was injured, I understand the frustration.
Curious what was the cost to acquire him?

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Re: Leonard Fournette, crash coming?

Postby Cameron Giles » Fri Oct 12, 2018 4:03 pm

Dynasty DeLorean wrote:
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As a Fournette owner, thank God lmao.
Yep, this is the best you can hope for. Hamstring injuries are tricky. If you come back too early, you can easily reinjure it (as he did). You basically have to wait until you're absolutely 100% before returning.

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Re: Leonard Fournette, crash coming?

Postby dm1129 » Sun Oct 14, 2018 2:56 pm

Just remember, this thread began with an article making the case that the Jags are better without Fournette....haha.

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Re: Leonard Fournette, crash coming?

Postby ArrylT » Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:50 am

No team, imo, is better off without a star player, unless that player is not a team player. I've never heard anything to suggest Fournette was not a team guy but I could be mistaken ...
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Re: Leonard Fournette, crash coming?

Postby 0LDMAN » Mon Oct 15, 2018 8:54 am

dm1129 wrote:
Sun Oct 14, 2018 2:56 pm
Just remember, this thread began with an article making the case that the Jags are better without Fournette....haha.
Among other things. Meanwhile your bell-cow running back is out again.... But I'm sure the 40% of games he plays in make it all worthwhile
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QB: T. Brady, Trubisky, M. Ryan, M. Stafford, Josh Allen, Josh Dobbs
RB: DJ, Gurley, Barkley, Ajayi, KJ, Aaron Jones, M. Breida, Chris Carson, Chris Warren, Ito Smith,
WR: OBJ, D. Adams, Tyreek Hill, AROB, Kenny Golladay, Tyrell Williams, Antonio Callaway, Justin Watson, Tyler Boyd, Chad Williams, Dorsett
TE: Kyle Rudolph, H. Henry, Jonnu Smith, Akins

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Re: Leonard Fournette, crash coming?

Postby 0LDMAN » Mon Oct 15, 2018 9:11 am

ArrylT wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:50 am
No team, imo, is better off without a star player, unless that player is not a team player. I've never heard anything to suggest Fournette was not a team guy but I could be mistaken ...
TJ Yeldon 2018 stats:
67 Rushes, 299 yards, 4.5 YPC, 1 TD
37 Targets-25 Receptions, 3 TD


It looks to me like Fournette is barely an upgrade over TJ Yeldon (arguably he's not even an upgrade at all), even PFF has them graded nearly identically.
Team 1 (10 Team SF: QB, RB RB, WR WR WR, TE, Flex, SF)
QB: T. Brady, Trubisky, M. Ryan, M. Stafford, Josh Allen, Josh Dobbs
RB: DJ, Gurley, Barkley, Ajayi, KJ, Aaron Jones, M. Breida, Chris Carson, Chris Warren, Ito Smith,
WR: OBJ, D. Adams, Tyreek Hill, AROB, Kenny Golladay, Tyrell Williams, Antonio Callaway, Justin Watson, Tyler Boyd, Chad Williams, Dorsett
TE: Kyle Rudolph, H. Henry, Jonnu Smith, Akins

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