Brandin Cooks - What's Not To Love?

[Vcize]

Just lol at putting Cooks in the same tier as Alshon, Tate and Baldwin. He's 25.

I said Value Tier not production.

But if you want to look at the last 3 years of them both to compare, lets see!!

2015-2016-2017

I'm rounding yards

Cooks
2015-16-17

84-1130-9
78-1170-8
65-1080-7

Tate
90-830-6
91-1070-4
92-1000-5

Baldwin
78-1069-14
94-1128-7
75-991-8

So yea for Cooks Career I'm ok with valuing them around those guys, for those who think hes Elite

Lets compare him to Elite

OBJ 14-15-16 I have to go 14 with him because he was hurt in 2017

91-1305-12
96-1450-13
101-1360-10

AB

136-1830-10
106-1280-12
101-1533-9


Cooks will never be in the elite company, he will be imo in the company of solid production this will be him for his career just like guys like Baldwin and Tate. Again I see many of you have selective reading and only read what you want. I'm not saying Cooks current value is of those guys.

he value will be no greater than those in their career.

So this year, where Cooks is on a new team and the other guys are WAY behind him, just doesn't count?

[joeya2001]

Tate and Baldwin are 30, so again: Cooks is way more valuable right now than either of them. Cooks is entering his prime; Tate and Baldwin are leaving it. Absolutely laughable to suggest that Cooks is or should be valued anywhere near Tate or Baldwin at this stage in their respective careers.

And nobody is suggesting that Cooks should be picked in the vicinity of OBJ. Bit of a straw man there.

you must have missed when I clearly said

"Again I see many of you have selective reading and only read what you want. I'm not saying Cooks current value is of those guys

he value will be no greater than those in their career."

[joeya2001]

Just lol at putting Cooks in the same tier as Alshon, Tate and Baldwin. He's 25.

I said Value Tier not production.

But if you want to look at the last 3 years of them both to compare, lets see!!

2015-2016-2017

I'm rounding yards

Cooks
2015-16-17

84-1130-9
78-1170-8
65-1080-7

Tate
90-830-6
91-1070-4
92-1000-5

Baldwin
78-1069-14
94-1128-7
75-991-8

So yea for Cooks Career I'm ok with valuing them around those guys, for those who think hes Elite

Lets compare him to Elite

OBJ 14-15-16 I have to go 14 with him because he was hurt in 2017

91-1305-12
96-1450-13
101-1360-10

AB

136-1830-10
106-1280-12
101-1533-9


Cooks will never be in the elite company, he will be imo in the company of solid production this will be him for his career just like guys like Baldwin and Tate. Again I see many of you have selective reading and only read what you want. I'm not saying Cooks current value is of those guys.

he value will be no greater than those in their career.

So this year, where Cooks is on a new team and the other guys are WAY behind him, just doesn't count?

you know, you guys are really missing the point.....its like debating with a child...

I said it terms of CAREER value not CURRENT

[joeya2001]

And he'd probably be in WR1 territory if not for getting concussed in week 5. Pretty good chance he finishes the year with 1,400+ yards.



Evans hasn't cracked 30 yet this season, and neither have Brown, Sanders, Julio, AJG, Boyd, Jarvis, or Keenan.

Thielen, Hopkins, Adams, OBJ, Woods, Diggs, JuJu, Kupp, Ridley, DJax, Tate, Watkins and Marvin Jones (along with a handful of other, less relevant fantasy players) all have exactly one such game.

The list of WRs with multiple 30+ point PPR outings this season: Thomas (3) and Hill (2). That's it.

Mike Evans has cracked 30 points exactly twice since the 2016 season (both in 2016). Cooks has done it four times (including once last season). Aside from the fact that this is just a weird critique, it's also kind of wrong.

29.9 week 8

Ill still take K Allen and Evans over Cooks, Cooks is in the Doug Baldwin territory. I still stand by he's a solid producer, and yea id take him if he was there. But what the community deems his value will never be the value you could sell him for.

he belongs in the value Tier of guys like

Tate
Ashlon
Doug Baldwin
I might even put AJ Green here

I'm sure their are others but you get my point.

I can see how passionate at of you are to cooks and I respect it, but facts are facts Cooks wont ever get to the value Tier as Evans, OBJ, Julio, AB, KA, MT. Cooks wont ever reach this. He doesn't have the potential to finish as a the #1 WR he's a perennial 8-15 kind of guy.

Facts are facts and then u state ur opinion lol. Makes no sense. No way u know he can’t get there or has the potential to, that’s opinion, not facts buddy. Ur pretty far off btw with ur opinion

I'm done tho

[dm1129]

Just lol at putting Cooks in the same tier as Alshon, Tate and Baldwin. He's 25.

I said Value Tier not production.

But if you want to look at the last 3 years of them both to compare, lets see!!

2015-2016-2017

I'm rounding yards

Cooks
2015-16-17

84-1130-9
78-1170-8
65-1080-7

Tate
90-830-6
91-1070-4
92-1000-5

Baldwin
78-1069-14
94-1128-7
75-991-8

So yea for Cooks Career I'm ok with valuing them around those guys, for those who think hes Elite

Lets compare him to Elite

OBJ 14-15-16 I have to go 14 with him because he was hurt in 2017

91-1305-12
96-1450-13
101-1360-10

AB

136-1830-10
106-1280-12
101-1533-9


Cooks will never be in the elite company, he will be imo in the company of solid production this will be him for his career just like guys like Baldwin and Tate. Again I see many of you have selective reading and only read what you want. I'm not saying Cooks current value is of those guys.

he value will be no greater than those in their career.

This really misses the point. Cooks is in a new situation this season and is on a pace per game that equates to about a 1500 yard season. He is signed long term with a team that has one of the best offensive minds in the game as coach and a young QB with whom he has an excellent rapport with. In other words, his situation is one of the most stable of any top WR. Additionally, he is young and not reached his prime yet.

[hoos89]

you know, you guys are really missing the point.....its like debating with a child...

I said it terms of CAREER value not CURRENT

Yeah you slipped it in the end of a super long post, but that was not at all what you initially said in your first post on the topic so I guess you're just walking back your initial post? I'm fairly confident that is not what you initially meant considering that you put Cooks in the tier of Alshon and AJG in the first post even though they were at one time top 10 dynasty assets (and AJG was #1 overall back in 2014). And in any case: also kinda dumb to take it as fact that Cooks won't ever be valued higher than Tate at his peak (~top 25) considering that Cooks could easily finish with 1,500 yards in his first year with the Rams.

29.9 week 8

Ill still take K Allen and Evans over Cooks, Cooks is in the Doug Baldwin territory. I still stand by he's a solid producer, and yea id take him if he was there. But what the community deems his value will never be the value you could sell him for.

he belongs in the value Tier of guys like

Tate
Ashlon
Doug Baldwin
I might even put AJ Green here

I'm sure their are others but you get my point.

I can see how passionate at of you are to cooks and I respect it, but facts are facts Cooks wont ever get to the value Tier as Evans, OBJ, Julio, AB, KA, MT. Cooks wont ever reach this. He doesn't have the potential to finish as a the #1 WR he's a perennial 8-15 kind of guy.

You were pretty clearly not talking about career-max value of Tate, Alshon, AJG and Baldwin here....If you want to walk back that post then that's fine: admit you were wrong. But you can't just act like you never said it.

[Valhalla]

[Jigga94]

Lol @ Cooks being Baldwin value. No one said he was OBJ either. Thats like saying Mixon or Hunt are in the same value tier as James White / AP but will never be as productive as Gurley or Kamara this year.

What is it about Cooks that puts him in that tier for you? You haven't said one thing that backs your argument yet. Like others have said, he's been a top 15 WR for years now, is still only 25 and hes doing it again this year on his 3rd offense. They said it was a fluke with Brees, said he wouldn't put up the same numbers with Brady. Now he's in LAR where there are too many mouths to feed and he's a borderline WR3. The critics have been wrong multiple times. You're just another one of them. It is fine though, I'll keep him for years while you back Baldwin and Alshon lol at least pick players that are somewhat similar...

[ColdZealDonkeyStrike]

Age curves matter. The fact that Cooks at 22-24 did what Baldwin and Tate did from 27-29 backs up the people saying Cooks' ceiling is higher.

[ColdZealDonkeyStrike]

I'm not saying Cooks will become Brown, but Cooks is having a similar age 25 season to Brown's age 25 breakout season. People argued Brown was never going to be a top tier WR during that season too.

[btv802]

Cooks is so good. Looks like Kupp might be gone for the season so 10+ target games are pretty realistic from here on out.

[jcc6fd]

Cooks is so good. Looks like Kupp might be gone for the season so 10+ target games are pretty realistic from here on out.

But he's not 6'5" and I thought bad things about him for 3 years now so it's likely just a fluke.

[btv802]

Cooks is so good. Looks like Kupp might be gone for the season so 10+ target games are pretty realistic from here on out.

But he's not 6'5" and I thought bad things about him for 3 years now so it's likely just a fluke.

I'm thinking the Pats are hoping it's a fluke too. Trading him for a 1st not looking great for them right now.

[Jigga94]

For the guy who wanted to put him in the Alshon / Tate / Baldwin tier using old numbers... Let's use this years numbers...

Cooks: 51 / 857 / 3 (and 50 yd for 1 rush TD). 25 years old. Ascending offense for length of huge contract.

Alshon: 33 / 389 / 4. 28 years old. Injury issues keep him out of games as seen this year
Tate: 46 / 536 / 3. 30 years old. Future uncertainty as he was traded this year
Baldwin: 23 / 275 / 0. 30 years old. Injury issues keep him out of games as seen this year

Hope you revised your ranks this year...

Also, since you wanted to compare Cooks to the Elite names and by far most expensive...

Cooks: 51 / 857 / 3 (and 50 yd for 1 rush TD). 25 years old
AB: 57 / 690 / 10. 30 years old
OBJ: 61 / 785 / 2. 26 years old

Sure they might be outscoring Cooks slightly, but not by much. My point is, he is right there as a low WR1... I had to scroll a while to find Alshon or Baldwin

[Valhalla]

Cooks is so good. Looks like Kupp might be gone for the season so 10+ target games are pretty realistic from here on out.

But he's not 6'5" and I thought bad things about him for 3 years now so it's likely just a fluke.

I'm thinking the Pats are hoping it's a fluke too. Trading him for a 1st not looking great for them right now.

Well...Brady couldn't utilize Cooks like Goff can. I know this will be blasphemy to many...but Brady just doesn't have the deep ball accuracy that Goff does. He also just couldn't seem to get the timing down with Cooks on the shorter routes either. Maybe it's because Cooks runs them much faster than the type of WR Brady is used to. Shifty as Edelman in the cuts but faster overall.

Also, the Patriots avoided paying him that big contract. They may have let him walk instead of paying him, and they ended up with a first.

I'd take Cooks over a first no question, but I get why they did it.