Patrick Mahomes: The Best QB in the NFL & for Dynasty

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Re: Mahomes Startup Value

Postby jcc6fd » Mon Oct 22, 2018 3:24 pm

thebeast wrote: Mon Oct 22, 2018 2:48 pm ^ is it really the greatest rookie performance? Scoring and passing are up significantly due to the new rules. Week 1 had something like four 500 yards passers when all of last year had like 3 500+ Yard passing games or something. Mahommes looks great, but we’ve seen these elite QBs years before and they are rarely followed at the same level.
I typically don't indulge in intergenerational talent comparisons because they're an exercise in futility (I realize the irony of calling him the greatest rookie QB ever). Rules change, players training is better and athletes are constantly getting stronger/faster and more skilled on average as time passes. And you're right about the rule changes inflating offensive stats. However, I'd like to speak to your concern that he'll fall off:

While we can't compare apples to apples throughout football history to judge his statistical performance, we can look at the stats compared to QBs of the same era, as well as his performance compared to the rest of the league. As a rookie he's broken records held by Manning/Brady. He has the longest 300 yard passing game streak of any player ever. Physically he's capable of accomplishing feats on the field that others can't. His arm talent and strength are impeccable. Then when you combine the measurable statistics/athleticism with the more subjective evaluation of Mahomes intangibles, decision making and the outcomes of his play (winning), you can make a case for his greatness. Remember everyone forcasting a dip in production of all the skill position players in KC based on the switch from Alex Smith?

Bottom line, I'm not trying to stack Mahomes up against Marino/Manning/Brady or any HOF QB of your choice and say he is definitely better. There's still much to be proven. What I am getting at is that Mahomes has already proven to be a cut above guys who were a flash in the pan. You don't perform like this relative to the rest of the league and simply go away. This is historic.

You can go against the grain if you'd like, and you may end up looking smart when you were right based on your hunch or analysis of other past players lead you to the right conclusion when almost every football analyst was prepared to name Mahomes the next face of the NFL. That doesn't seem like a choice that will lead to fantasy success, but crazier things have happened.

But man, I think you'd agree with me if you watched the games. I've watched all of them. There isn't a yardage amount on 3rd down where I doubt he'll pick it up. His poise is incredible, throwing with defenders draped all over him, coming back in from deficits in hostile territory like a veteran.
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Re: Mahomes Startup Value

Postby mullmania » Mon Oct 22, 2018 3:46 pm

And situations can change but this isn't a Danger Russ or Andrew Luck situation where he is kind of putting his team on his back and doing it all.

I'm sure he's capable of that if need but and while situations change he is absolutely loaded with talent around him right now.

It's nearly impossible to to just focus on game planning someone out of their offense with Hill, Hunt, Kelce and the rest of the them all pretty healthy.

Heck Spencer Ware and Demetrious Harris are quality back up options too. Loaded

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Re: Mahomes Startup Value

Postby Mjvb5 » Mon Oct 22, 2018 4:04 pm

mullmania wrote: Mon Oct 22, 2018 3:46 pm And situations can change but this isn't a Danger Russ or Andrew Luck situation where he is kind of putting his team on his back and doing it all.

I'm sure he's capable of that if need but and while situations change he is absolutely loaded with talent around him right now.

It's nearly impossible to to just focus on game planning someone out of their offense with Hill, Hunt, Kelce and the rest of the them all pretty healthy.

Heck Spencer Ware and Demetrious Harris are quality back up options too. Loaded
The best part is almost all of them are young and they'll have the advantage of extra cap from a rookie QB for the next 2-3 years to let him hone his skills before making him have to play with some lesser options

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Re: Mahomes Startup Value

Postby Multiple Scorgasms » Mon Oct 22, 2018 4:19 pm

I know this is a fantasy forum, but man, watch the games. It's not about the numbers. He is the absolute truth. I can only assume those who keep talking about regression simply aren't watching the games. But turning it back to FF, that rare ability he has is going to translate into elite numbers year after year the same way it has for few QBs. And let's not forget, he's in the same system under the same offensive genius who made Alex Smith the #1 rated QB last year.

I dunno what that means for a startup, but I wouldn't take any QB over him that's for sure, and if I'm on the board and debating between him and a fringe skill player, I'm taking Mahomes all day and have my QB set for the next decade.

For fun I decided to look at a mock from the offseason. I mean there are some badddddddddddd players you might end up with just because you wanted to force yourself into a RB or WR instead of just taking the sure-fire stud in PM.

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Re: Mahomes Startup Value

Postby Shcritters » Mon Oct 22, 2018 7:04 pm

Things have changed drastically... but I ‘reached’ for him at #86 (8.02) in the startup this year. He was QB10 off the board... and I couldn’t be happier on my ‘risk’.

Aside from injury, I think he is the QB1 for the foreseeable future. I can’t think of another QB I’d rather have for the next 5 years.
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Re: Mahomes Startup Value

Postby Mjvb5 » Mon Oct 22, 2018 7:15 pm

Shcritters wrote: Mon Oct 22, 2018 7:04 pm Things have changed drastically... but I ‘reached’ for him at #86 (8.02) in the startup this year. He was QB10 off the board... and I couldn’t be happier on my ‘risk’.

Aside from injury, I think he is the QB1 for the foreseeable future. I can’t think of another QB I’d rather have for the next 5 years.
I don't disagree with taking him at QB10 back then, but I'm more surprised 10 QBs were off the board by then, am I that far off on my QB values, because I wouldn't take my QB1(Pat) until probably the 5th or sixth round

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Re: Patrick Mahomes II

Postby JSylvester87 » Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:45 pm

This initial post thought too lightly of Mahomes. In my 4 pt to league he’s far and away in first.
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WR: JuJu Smith-Schuster, Odell Beckham, Michael Gallup, Sammy Watkins, Antonio Callaway
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Re: Patrick Mahomes II

Postby mild » Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:13 pm

Yep, that first page is a total hoot to read now!
JTLoh wrote: Thu Aug 30, 2018 11:34 am Alex Smith was #4 last year.
Mahomes is better and will run a couple more in.
I know they lost their OC but they gonna run the same style as last year.
Plus add in Sammy Watkins.
If he doesn't miss any games, his floor is top 10. I'm still saying top 5.
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QB - Mahomes, Jackson, Hurts, Zach Wilson
RB - Saquon, Chubb, AJD, Dobbins, Penny, Gio, T. Jones
WR - Hill, AJB, Diggs, Sutton, Jeudy, Bateman, Watkins, Slayton, Callaway
TE - Goedert, Pitts, OJH, Cook
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Re: Patrick Mahomes II

Postby JTLoh » Tue Dec 04, 2018 5:41 am

Mefisto wrote: Thu Aug 30, 2018 11:43 am A top 10 floor? Better than Alex Smith's #4 finish in his first year starting? Adding Sammy means something? I'm so confused.
Are you still confused?
CONTENTION 2
QB - D.Prescott, J.Hurts
RB - J.Jacobs, C-Patt, JRob, BRob, D.Pierce, TDP, H.Haskins
WR - Ceedee, J.Jefferson, JuJu, A.Pierce, Meyers, NWI
TE - M.Andrews, Brevin, J.Woods, L.Thomas
Defense: Cowboys/Viks

CELEBRITY DEATHMATCH
QB - Mahomes, Cousins, Love, Mond, Rush, M.White, Strong
RB - C-Patt, Singletary, K.Herbert, Foreman, Hubbard, Lindsay
WR - Lockett, Hollywood, OBJ, Golladay, AJG, Hardman, Meyers, Osborn, ISM
TE - Kelsey, Ertz, G.Everett, Bryant
Taxi - BRob, TDP, Ingram, A.Smith, K.Phillips, Metchie, Shakir, Tolbert, Thorton, J.Woods, S.Thompson

ALL THE MARBLES
QB - TB12, J.Hurts, Stafford
RB - Ekeler, Zeke, C-Patt, Mack, Rhamondre, BRob, R.White, Foreman
WR - AJ Brown, London, Watson, A.Pierce, Burks, OBJ, Golladay, Amon-Ra, Marshall
TE - Gronk, T.Higbee, D.Arnold, Ebron
Defense: Bills/Saints

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Re: Patrick Mahomes II

Postby JTLoh » Tue Dec 04, 2018 5:42 am

btv802 wrote: Thu Aug 30, 2018 11:41 am
JTLoh wrote: Thu Aug 30, 2018 11:34 am Alex Smith was #4 last year.
Mahomes is better
I stopped paying attention at this point in your argument. Kid is basically a rookie. Don't build up the expectations to unrealistic proportions because you will be very disappointed this time next year.
Maybe next year you will pay attention.
CONTENTION 2
QB - D.Prescott, J.Hurts
RB - J.Jacobs, C-Patt, JRob, BRob, D.Pierce, TDP, H.Haskins
WR - Ceedee, J.Jefferson, JuJu, A.Pierce, Meyers, NWI
TE - M.Andrews, Brevin, J.Woods, L.Thomas
Defense: Cowboys/Viks

CELEBRITY DEATHMATCH
QB - Mahomes, Cousins, Love, Mond, Rush, M.White, Strong
RB - C-Patt, Singletary, K.Herbert, Foreman, Hubbard, Lindsay
WR - Lockett, Hollywood, OBJ, Golladay, AJG, Hardman, Meyers, Osborn, ISM
TE - Kelsey, Ertz, G.Everett, Bryant
Taxi - BRob, TDP, Ingram, A.Smith, K.Phillips, Metchie, Shakir, Tolbert, Thorton, J.Woods, S.Thompson

ALL THE MARBLES
QB - TB12, J.Hurts, Stafford
RB - Ekeler, Zeke, C-Patt, Mack, Rhamondre, BRob, R.White, Foreman
WR - AJ Brown, London, Watson, A.Pierce, Burks, OBJ, Golladay, Amon-Ra, Marshall
TE - Gronk, T.Higbee, D.Arnold, Ebron
Defense: Bills/Saints

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Re: Patrick Mahomes II

Postby JTLoh » Tue Dec 04, 2018 5:43 am

FantasyFreak wrote: Thu Aug 30, 2018 11:37 am
JTLoh wrote: Thu Aug 30, 2018 11:34 am Alex Smith was #4 last year.
Mahomes is better and will run a couple more in.
I know they lost their OC but they gonna run the same style as last year.
Plus add in Sammy Watkins.
If he doesn't miss any games, his floor is top 10. I'm still saying top 5.
I just don't agree. You're entitled to your opinion.

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CONTENTION 2
QB - D.Prescott, J.Hurts
RB - J.Jacobs, C-Patt, JRob, BRob, D.Pierce, TDP, H.Haskins
WR - Ceedee, J.Jefferson, JuJu, A.Pierce, Meyers, NWI
TE - M.Andrews, Brevin, J.Woods, L.Thomas
Defense: Cowboys/Viks

CELEBRITY DEATHMATCH
QB - Mahomes, Cousins, Love, Mond, Rush, M.White, Strong
RB - C-Patt, Singletary, K.Herbert, Foreman, Hubbard, Lindsay
WR - Lockett, Hollywood, OBJ, Golladay, AJG, Hardman, Meyers, Osborn, ISM
TE - Kelsey, Ertz, G.Everett, Bryant
Taxi - BRob, TDP, Ingram, A.Smith, K.Phillips, Metchie, Shakir, Tolbert, Thorton, J.Woods, S.Thompson

ALL THE MARBLES
QB - TB12, J.Hurts, Stafford
RB - Ekeler, Zeke, C-Patt, Mack, Rhamondre, BRob, R.White, Foreman
WR - AJ Brown, London, Watson, A.Pierce, Burks, OBJ, Golladay, Amon-Ra, Marshall
TE - Gronk, T.Higbee, D.Arnold, Ebron
Defense: Bills/Saints

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Re: Patrick Mahomes II

Postby JTLoh » Tue Dec 04, 2018 5:43 am

Fantasyfanatic11 wrote: Thu Aug 30, 2018 1:12 pm The guy has 35 career regular season pass attempts and you're ready to call him top 5? :lol:
:dance: :dance: :dance: :dance:
CONTENTION 2
QB - D.Prescott, J.Hurts
RB - J.Jacobs, C-Patt, JRob, BRob, D.Pierce, TDP, H.Haskins
WR - Ceedee, J.Jefferson, JuJu, A.Pierce, Meyers, NWI
TE - M.Andrews, Brevin, J.Woods, L.Thomas
Defense: Cowboys/Viks

CELEBRITY DEATHMATCH
QB - Mahomes, Cousins, Love, Mond, Rush, M.White, Strong
RB - C-Patt, Singletary, K.Herbert, Foreman, Hubbard, Lindsay
WR - Lockett, Hollywood, OBJ, Golladay, AJG, Hardman, Meyers, Osborn, ISM
TE - Kelsey, Ertz, G.Everett, Bryant
Taxi - BRob, TDP, Ingram, A.Smith, K.Phillips, Metchie, Shakir, Tolbert, Thorton, J.Woods, S.Thompson

ALL THE MARBLES
QB - TB12, J.Hurts, Stafford
RB - Ekeler, Zeke, C-Patt, Mack, Rhamondre, BRob, R.White, Foreman
WR - AJ Brown, London, Watson, A.Pierce, Burks, OBJ, Golladay, Amon-Ra, Marshall
TE - Gronk, T.Higbee, D.Arnold, Ebron
Defense: Bills/Saints

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Re: Patrick Mahomes II

Postby JTLoh » Tue Dec 04, 2018 5:44 am

JFever wrote: Thu Aug 30, 2018 1:16 pm Agreed. ∆ My bet would be that the kid finishes around middle of the pack by year's end. Top five is possibly in his future. He needs time and some luck to get there. The NFL qb possition at this point in time, is much deeper than some are admitting to themselves.
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CONTENTION 2
QB - D.Prescott, J.Hurts
RB - J.Jacobs, C-Patt, JRob, BRob, D.Pierce, TDP, H.Haskins
WR - Ceedee, J.Jefferson, JuJu, A.Pierce, Meyers, NWI
TE - M.Andrews, Brevin, J.Woods, L.Thomas
Defense: Cowboys/Viks

CELEBRITY DEATHMATCH
QB - Mahomes, Cousins, Love, Mond, Rush, M.White, Strong
RB - C-Patt, Singletary, K.Herbert, Foreman, Hubbard, Lindsay
WR - Lockett, Hollywood, OBJ, Golladay, AJG, Hardman, Meyers, Osborn, ISM
TE - Kelsey, Ertz, G.Everett, Bryant
Taxi - BRob, TDP, Ingram, A.Smith, K.Phillips, Metchie, Shakir, Tolbert, Thorton, J.Woods, S.Thompson

ALL THE MARBLES
QB - TB12, J.Hurts, Stafford
RB - Ekeler, Zeke, C-Patt, Mack, Rhamondre, BRob, R.White, Foreman
WR - AJ Brown, London, Watson, A.Pierce, Burks, OBJ, Golladay, Amon-Ra, Marshall
TE - Gronk, T.Higbee, D.Arnold, Ebron
Defense: Bills/Saints

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Re: Patrick Mahomes II

Postby JTLoh » Tue Dec 04, 2018 5:46 am

Pullo Vision wrote: Thu Aug 30, 2018 7:46 pm Being very interested in a player's prospects is one thing, thinking him a great value. But he's not nearly as developed mentally as Smith. Wouldn't surprise me if he becomes valued like Winston- physical tools, but limited situational football awareness.

Think he is as mentally develped as Smith now?
CONTENTION 2
QB - D.Prescott, J.Hurts
RB - J.Jacobs, C-Patt, JRob, BRob, D.Pierce, TDP, H.Haskins
WR - Ceedee, J.Jefferson, JuJu, A.Pierce, Meyers, NWI
TE - M.Andrews, Brevin, J.Woods, L.Thomas
Defense: Cowboys/Viks

CELEBRITY DEATHMATCH
QB - Mahomes, Cousins, Love, Mond, Rush, M.White, Strong
RB - C-Patt, Singletary, K.Herbert, Foreman, Hubbard, Lindsay
WR - Lockett, Hollywood, OBJ, Golladay, AJG, Hardman, Meyers, Osborn, ISM
TE - Kelsey, Ertz, G.Everett, Bryant
Taxi - BRob, TDP, Ingram, A.Smith, K.Phillips, Metchie, Shakir, Tolbert, Thorton, J.Woods, S.Thompson

ALL THE MARBLES
QB - TB12, J.Hurts, Stafford
RB - Ekeler, Zeke, C-Patt, Mack, Rhamondre, BRob, R.White, Foreman
WR - AJ Brown, London, Watson, A.Pierce, Burks, OBJ, Golladay, Amon-Ra, Marshall
TE - Gronk, T.Higbee, D.Arnold, Ebron
Defense: Bills/Saints

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Re: Patrick Mahomes II

Postby JTLoh » Tue Dec 04, 2018 5:46 am

Ruggenater wrote: Fri Aug 31, 2018 5:35 am He'll probably be top 5 in interceptions thrown this season, so you can always say that's what you meant!

Or he can be #1 and I will laugh at you.

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CONTENTION 2
QB - D.Prescott, J.Hurts
RB - J.Jacobs, C-Patt, JRob, BRob, D.Pierce, TDP, H.Haskins
WR - Ceedee, J.Jefferson, JuJu, A.Pierce, Meyers, NWI
TE - M.Andrews, Brevin, J.Woods, L.Thomas
Defense: Cowboys/Viks

CELEBRITY DEATHMATCH
QB - Mahomes, Cousins, Love, Mond, Rush, M.White, Strong
RB - C-Patt, Singletary, K.Herbert, Foreman, Hubbard, Lindsay
WR - Lockett, Hollywood, OBJ, Golladay, AJG, Hardman, Meyers, Osborn, ISM
TE - Kelsey, Ertz, G.Everett, Bryant
Taxi - BRob, TDP, Ingram, A.Smith, K.Phillips, Metchie, Shakir, Tolbert, Thorton, J.Woods, S.Thompson

ALL THE MARBLES
QB - TB12, J.Hurts, Stafford
RB - Ekeler, Zeke, C-Patt, Mack, Rhamondre, BRob, R.White, Foreman
WR - AJ Brown, London, Watson, A.Pierce, Burks, OBJ, Golladay, Amon-Ra, Marshall
TE - Gronk, T.Higbee, D.Arnold, Ebron
Defense: Bills/Saints


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