Corey Coleman traded to the Bills

[Orenthal Shames]

I'd hold. He won't be relevant in that system this year, but could be next season. Look at Dorsett, I know 1 week sample, but regardless.

If you could get something of value sure, but for a throwaway pick, I'd hold. Worst case you miss out on a getting a late pick, who cares.

[thebeast]

If he can't learn the Bills playbook in the preseason (and they are desperate and the worst WR core in the league), what makes you think he will learn the most complicated playbook in the league and be suddenly fantasy relevant? Best case scenario they hold on the practice squad and redshirt him for the entire year+. That's why you sell if you can.

If you really believe in his talent, you can buy then for a lot less than the initial hype.

You mean the franchise that has thought, now twice, that Nathan Peterman is a starting QB in this league?

You are right. The pre-2017 Eagles and pre-2017 Titans were awful decision making organizations. Stupid organizations didn't recognize DGB's talent.

Non sequitur much?

DGB was a first-round draft pick due to physical attributes and metrics and not based on his ability to play football. Coleman was a first round pick because he was a good football player. His career went off track due to freak injuries and questionable (although not illegal) decision making off the field. Coleman has talent that DGB never had, which is what makes them very different.

The more I think about it, your reply is the one that makes zero sense.

[FantasyFreak]

You mean the franchise that has thought, now twice, that Nathan Peterman is a starting QB in this league?

You are right. The pre-2017 Eagles and pre-2017 Titans were awful decision making organizations. Stupid organizations didn't recognize DGB's talent.

Non sequitur much?

DGB was a first-round draft pick due to physical attributes and metrics and not based on his ability to play football. Coleman was a first round pick because he was a good football player. His career went off track due to freak injuries and questionable (although not illegal) decision making off the field. Coleman has talent that DGB never had, which is what makes them very different.

The more I think about it, your reply is the one that makes zero sense.

No he wasn't. 2nd round.

[jman3134]

You mean the franchise that has thought, now twice, that Nathan Peterman is a starting QB in this league?

You are right. The pre-2017 Eagles and pre-2017 Titans were awful decision making organizations. Stupid organizations didn't recognize DGB's talent.

Non sequitur much?

DGB was a first-round draft pick due to physical attributes and metrics and not based on his ability to play football. Coleman was a first round pick because he was a good football player. His career went off track due to freak injuries and questionable (although not illegal) decision making off the field. Coleman has talent that DGB never had, which is what makes them very different.

The more I think about it, your reply is the one that makes zero sense.

You are missing my point: I was trying to be ironic with the first part of my post.

I would agree that DGB is less talented and showed less in college than Coleman. I was trying to point out the logical break here. The Eagles were once pretty desperate at receiver and cut bait on DGB. Two organizations who made poor personnel decisions making the correct call to cut DGB. That is how I was linking them.

Your argument that because the Bills make poor QB decisions, they shouldn't be trusted for cutting Coleman, does not follow.

[thebeast]

^ my point is that the current regime in Buffalo is just poor at making decisions. The GM explaining himself around cutting Coleman shows that he is bad at making decisions.

[hoos89]

Anybody who owns Coleman should sell immediately while you still can. It's amazing that this is even happening for you.

I'd love to list the 15-20 WRs that the Pats signed over the past 10 years, who were awesome and going to such a great sitatution.... only to be cut later on.

For what though? I doubt anyone is going to give more than a 3rd for him at this point, and for that I'd rather just hold on the off chance that he becomes relevant again.

[jman3134]

^ my point is that the current regime in Buffalo is just poor at making decisions. The GM explaining himself around cutting Coleman shows that he is bad at making decisions.

I understand your point. It doesn't inherently mean or even logically follow that the organization is wrong about Coleman. You mention their inability to evaluate the QB position. Coleman isn't a QB. So, now every decision Buffalo makes is inherently wrong because of their poor QB decision making?

It isn't just one organization at this point either. At some point, it is the player. Coleman was traded by the Browns first.

[Cameron Giles]

Coleman was traded for a 2020 7th round pick. Most 7th round picks don't do anything anyway, so it wasn't a bad decision at all to trade it for essentially a tryout of Coleman. They didn't risk anything.

New England is really good at putting players in position to do what they're really good at. They don't try to teach cats how to bark, or dogs how to meow as some teams do. Coleman (at least in college) had one really good skill and that was stretching the field. Unfortunately, that wasn't shown much in Cleveland with the QB play.

That's not to say that Coleman wasn't at fault for his own downfalls. It's similar to DGB in that he wasn't good at getting the playbook down, didn't improve as a route runner, and his hands were shaky. However, it also didn't seem like Cleveland had a real plan after selecting him from watching games.

I doubt anything comes from the signing, but New England has shown a history of getting guys for nothing and putting them in the right spots to learn and succeed.

[Phaded]

The odds are obviously against anything happening from this..
But if anything is going to happen with Coleman - the Patriots are quite possibly the best possible landing spot.

[ericanadian]

^ my point is that the current regime in Buffalo is just poor at making decisions. The GM explaining himself around cutting Coleman shows that he is bad at making decisions.

I understand your point. It doesn't inherently mean or even logically follow that the organization is wrong about Coleman. You mention their inability to evaluate the QB position. Coleman isn't a QB. So, now every decision Buffalo makes is inherently wrong because of their poor QB decision making?

It isn't just one organization at this point either. At some point, it is the player. Coleman was traded by the Browns first.

They let Woods & Goodwin walk and brought in two guys they got nothing from in JMatt and, thus far, Benjamin. They drafted Zay Jones... Not sure their receiver scouting is any better than their QB scouting.

[jman3134]

^ my point is that the current regime in Buffalo is just poor at making decisions. The GM explaining himself around cutting Coleman shows that he is bad at making decisions.

I understand your point. It doesn't inherently mean or even logically follow that the organization is wrong about Coleman. You mention their inability to evaluate the QB position. Coleman isn't a QB. So, now every decision Buffalo makes is inherently wrong because of their poor QB decision making?

It isn't just one organization at this point either. At some point, it is the player. Coleman was traded by the Browns first.

They let Woods & Goodwin walk and brought in two guys they got nothing from in JMatt and, thus far, Benjamin. They drafted Zay Jones... Not sure their receiver scouting is any better than their QB scouting.

They got minimal production from Woods and Goodwin. They dealt with injuries in their time there as well.

So is it a receiver valuation problem or something else? JMatt was hurt last year. And Benjamin is talented, but injury prone.

Still doesn't explain away Cleveland arriving at the same conclusion.

[ericanadian]

I understand your point. It doesn't inherently mean or even logically follow that the organization is wrong about Coleman. You mention their inability to evaluate the QB position. Coleman isn't a QB. So, now every decision Buffalo makes is inherently wrong because of their poor QB decision making?

It isn't just one organization at this point either. At some point, it is the player. Coleman was traded by the Browns first.

They let Woods & Goodwin walk and brought in two guys they got nothing from in JMatt and, thus far, Benjamin. They drafted Zay Jones... Not sure their receiver scouting is any better than their QB scouting.

They got minimal production from Woods and Goodwin. They dealt with injuries in their time there as well.

So is it a receiver valuation problem or something else? JMatt was hurt last year. And Benjamin is talented, but injury prone.

Still doesn't explain away Cleveland arriving at the same conclusion.

Maybe it is something else. Seems to me that if guys that can be successful elsewhere are consistently not successful in your offense, maybe you try something new. Either way, they are doing something drastically wrong in Buffalo.

Cleveland has a problem with drafting low character guys and bringing them into a locker room with no leadership. They also have a coach that is too busy worrying about right now to worry about the future and he's effectively failed to develop anyone at this point. The few guys that are good in Cleveland, started good. Hopefully Haley can change that, but we'll see.

[btv802]

Coleman is a hold. 3rds are worthless.

[fakespike13]

Coleman is a hold. 3rds are worthless.

I got Phillip Lindsay in the 4th, not worthless, if you know what you’re doing.

[Dynasty DeLorean]

Coleman is a hold. 3rds are worthless.

I got Phillip Lindsay in the 4th, not worthless, if you know what you’re doing.