I can put together a list. You can't honestly believe this statement and accuse others of bias...dynastyninja wrote: ↑Tue Sep 18, 2018 12:24 pm There's not another back who could've scored that TD against Jacksonville last week.
No Win situation for Saquon?
Re: No Win situation for Saquon?
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Re: No Win situation for Saquon?
The statement was a little hyperbolic, but not entirely inaccurate, obviously there are RBs capable of pulling off a run that long against that defense but not many and even fewer in the way he did it. He's going to have several runs like that this year and throughout his career.skip wrote: ↑Tue Sep 18, 2018 12:53 pmI can put together a list. You can't honestly believe this statement and accuse others of bias...dynastyninja wrote: ↑Tue Sep 18, 2018 12:24 pm There's not another back who could've scored that TD against Jacksonville last week.
Re: No Win situation for Saquon?
People refuse to believe that Barkley is a lot more Reggie Bush than LaDanian Tomlinson.
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Re: No Win situation for Saquon?
Heh.. that is how I have felt for a long time.
Given - Reggie Bush had more of a respectable career than people give him credit for but the expectations were just way too high..
Re: No Win situation for Saquon?
Injuries derailed Bush's career more than anything else. He always seemed to get dinged up and was playing at less than 100%. Plus, Bush also worked punts/kick returns for most of his career which sapped some of his energy. However, he did fairly well when he was able to stay healthy and no longer played on special teams. Does Saquon have a history of injuries I'm not aware of (serious question)? To my knowledge he played every game other than his freshman year when he missed 2. He seems to be able to withstand the rigors of the bell-cow lifestyle.
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Re: No Win situation for Saquon?
He's able to stay healthy more so than other RBs because of his running style. I keep hearing people say how he needs to stick his nose in the dirt and get those ugly yards but that's what leads to increased injury risk. I'd rather see him continue to run how he did in college and evade tackles instead of lowering his shoulder like Fournette to try and run over tackles.Mefisto wrote: ↑Tue Sep 18, 2018 1:15 pm
Injuries derailed Bush's career more than anything else. He always seemed to get dinged up and was playing at less than 100%. Plus, Bush also worked punts/kick returns for most of his career which sapped some of his energy. However, he did fairly well when he was able to stay healthy and no longer played on special teams. Does Saquon have a history of injuries I'm not aware of (serious question)? To my knowledge he played every game other than his freshman year when he missed 2. He seems to be able to withstand the rigors of the bell-cow lifestyle.
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Re: No Win situation for Saquon?
Go for itskip wrote: ↑Tue Sep 18, 2018 12:53 pmI can put together a list. You can't honestly believe this statement and accuse others of bias...dynastyninja wrote: ↑Tue Sep 18, 2018 12:24 pm There's not another back who could've scored that TD against Jacksonville last week.
Re: No Win situation for Saquon?
lol I would like to see that list also, all I can think of is Gurley, Zeek, Kamara, maybe Hunt, Mixon, Bell when he is playing loldynastyninja wrote: ↑Tue Sep 18, 2018 1:48 pmGo for itskip wrote: ↑Tue Sep 18, 2018 12:53 pmI can put together a list. You can't honestly believe this statement and accuse others of bias...dynastyninja wrote: ↑Tue Sep 18, 2018 12:24 pm There's not another back who could've scored that TD against Jacksonville last week.
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Re: No Win situation for Saquon?
I think prime McCoy or Charles had the agility to pull that off, but I don't think there's anyone currently who could.
Re: No Win situation for Saquon?
At least those 6...ninja thinks there are zero. Which is exactly the point. Do there even need to list more?alex33 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 18, 2018 2:20 pmlol I would like to see that list also, all I can think of is Gurley, Zeek, Kamara, maybe Hunt, Mixon, Bell when he is playing lol
Barkley's fans believe him to have no faults, absolutely elite, and you can't think otherwise. Reality is there are several backs in the league who can make that same play happen.
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Re: No Win situation for Saquon?
I don't think any of them can. Bell has the agility, but I don't think he would've had the breakaway speed to outrun the defenders on the sideline.skip wrote: ↑Tue Sep 18, 2018 2:39 pmAt least those 6...ninja thinks there are zero. Which is exactly the point. Do there even need to list more?
Barkley's fans believe him to have no faults, absolutely elite, and you can't think otherwise. Reality is there are several backs in the league who can make that same play happen.
I do not think Barkley is good because I am a fan. I am a fan because I think he is good. His college tape convinced me that he is the real deal, so I decided to target him this offseason. Never suggested he has no faults. He needs to do a little more north-south running, but come on. The guy is special. Once the NYG offense (or at least the line) improves a little, he could easily be a perennial top 3 back.
Re: No Win situation for Saquon?
Keywords SO FAR, I’m not saying he sucks in general but he has def sucked to begin his career. And I’m biased because everyone on here was just so ridiculous about him all offseason when the guy hadn’t played an NFL snap yet. It was extremely annoying. Rookies who performed last year should have been ranked ahead of him easily.dynastyninja wrote: ↑Tue Sep 18, 2018 12:24 pmThere's not another back who could've scored that TD against Jacksonville last week. You're letting some sort of bias influence you if you think he's "sucked."Weknownothing86 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 18, 2018 12:20 pmLove this, dude has sucked so far, people overpaid for him and are gonna justify it all season with the PPR logic. Just ask them if they would pay that amount for Cmac who is another back that is a PPR beast. Hope it continues all season and people are eating crow.
Saquon is not elite between the tackles, but he's elite in space and at making people miss. He does not suck.
Re: No Win situation for Saquon?
I got blasted here for saying that Barkley's college tape looked a lot like Bush's. Barkley is a lot bigger but he didn't really use it much in college, which is why he disappeared at times in games that he shouldn't have. His big runs were typically runs where he got through a clean hole early and then outraced everyone to the sideline, similar to Bush. Even statistically, his yards created per rush (which is meant to try and take O-line play out of it) was all-world running outside but was below average between the tackles.
Regardless, I've actually been impressed with him so far in the NFL personally. He looks far better to me already than Bush ever did in the pros.
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Re: No Win situation for Saquon?
Man, I got crushed in either the team advice or player debates in the off-season for digging my heels in and opposing the notion Saquan was worth Kamara and a first.
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Re: No Win situation for Saquon?
I think he is more Barry Sanders than LT or Bush. That is what has you confused, you don’t understand his true comparison. He will take a lot of negative yards, but will rip off a lot of monster runs as well.
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