allen hurns worth a 19 1st?

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Re: allen hurns worth a 19 1st?

Postby Pac_Eddy » Sun Jul 15, 2018 8:45 am

Dallas will be adding a legit #1 next off-season, so I see Hurns as a very short term play right now.

If I have the depth, I'd move Hurns for a second. Yeah, he may flash some nice games this year, but I really doubt he'll be higher in value a year from now.
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Re: allen hurns worth a 19 1st?

Postby DLF3000 » Sun Jul 15, 2018 8:51 am

My first reaction would be that is a ridiculous price. Maybe you can get a 2nd, but even that I doubt with all the uncertainty surrounding the Cowboys pass game this year.
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Re: allen hurns worth a 19 1st?

Postby Smoking Guns » Sun Jul 15, 2018 8:56 am

Phaded wrote: Sun Jul 15, 2018 6:48 am I have him - wouldn't sell for a 2nd but wouldn't expect a 1st.
On the other side of this I offered a 2nd and was rejected

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Re: allen hurns worth a 19 1st?

Postby ArrylT » Sun Jul 15, 2018 9:26 am

If you are an owner actually looking to move Hurns, it might be easier to get a 1st for him in-season when it looks like he is actually living up to billing and is the Cowboys WR1 (rather than par of a WRBC) than right now when it is still speculative.

Seems to me if you picked up Hurns off waivers or for a late pick, and can turn it into a 2nd+ (and do not) then you could be playing with a hot potato. How long will Hurns actually (a) remain the WR1 in Dallas and (b) what if he gets injured again (like he did in 2016)? Seems like one of those situations where the player being valued is being propped up by opportunity. At some point, even if you do not like the market price, if you miss the sell window, then you're either left with a roster clogger or a long wait to the next window (if there is one).

If you do believe in him, or do have use for him on your roster (ie he'll be your WR4-5) then yeah its totally understandable if you do not want anything less than a 1st. Suppose that all depends on the Hurns owners mindset and the cost they spent to acquire him.

I remember it was tough to get a 1st for Hurns after his 2015 season, because of Allen Robinson & M. Lee. If Gallup develops and/or Dallas adds more weapons (ie 2019 WR class) then likely the same will occur after 2018 re: Hurns.
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Re: allen hurns worth a 19 1st?

Postby Studstables » Sun Jul 15, 2018 10:31 am

Pac_Eddy wrote: Sun Jul 15, 2018 8:45 am Dallas will be adding a legit #1 next off-season, so I see Hurns as a very short term play right now.

If I have the depth, I'd move Hurns for a second. Yeah, he may flash some nice games this year, but I really doubt he'll be higher in value a year from now.
They could have added a legit #1 this season. If hurns capitalizes on his opportunities, they’ll have no reason to.

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Re: allen hurns worth a 19 1st?

Postby Pac_Eddy » Sun Jul 15, 2018 11:20 am

Studstables wrote: Sun Jul 15, 2018 10:31 am
Pac_Eddy wrote: Sun Jul 15, 2018 8:45 am Dallas will be adding a legit #1 next off-season, so I see Hurns as a very short term play right now.

If I have the depth, I'd move Hurns for a second. Yeah, he may flash some nice games this year, but I really doubt he'll be higher in value a year from now.
They could have added a legit #1 this season. If hurns capitalizes on his opportunities, they’ll have no reason to.
Who are you thinking of that they could've added?
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Re: allen hurns worth a 19 1st?

Postby Cowboysfan33 » Sun Jul 15, 2018 11:23 am

skip wrote: Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:58 am
knotts4372 wrote: Sun Jul 15, 2018 2:49 am
skip wrote: Sun Jul 15, 2018 1:11 am Do not sell him for a 2nd. He will be at least as productive as Dez was last season.
at least what dez did last year? i'd be very surprised if he came anywhere close to it. not sure what makes you think he might. interested in hearing the case for it tho
I don't think it's necessary to rehash the "Dak or Dez" debate. I fall on the same side of that discussion as does the front office and coaching staff. Couple that with Witten being gone, there are a lot of available targets and very little veteran experience other than Hurns.
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Re: allen hurns worth a 19 1st?

Postby millworkguy » Sun Jul 15, 2018 12:25 pm

Certainly not buying for a 1st , even as a contender. Could see a 2nd plus a young 2nd or 3rd tier asset, or additional later pick. But if I was a contender I think I'd rather spend a 1st on a sure fire asset to help me win (rather then this low risk/reward move)
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Re: allen hurns worth a 19 1st?

Postby Pullo Vision » Sun Jul 15, 2018 12:42 pm

Pac_Eddy wrote: Sun Jul 15, 2018 11:20 am
Studstables wrote: Sun Jul 15, 2018 10:31 am
Pac_Eddy wrote: Sun Jul 15, 2018 8:45 am Dallas will be adding a legit #1 next off-season, so I see Hurns as a very short term play right now.

If I have the depth, I'd move Hurns for a second. Yeah, he may flash some nice games this year, but I really doubt he'll be higher in value a year from now.
They could have added a legit #1 this season. If hurns capitalizes on his opportunities, they’ll have no reason to.
Who are you thinking of that they could've added?
They went after Watkins, IIRC , and Mike Wallace would've been a good value get. Same with Crabtree. Decker and Maclin are still out there.
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Re: allen hurns worth a 19 1st?

Postby knotts4372 » Sun Jul 15, 2018 12:59 pm

would legit tak5e maclin and maybe even decker off the street and say they are better than hurns day 1
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Re: allen hurns worth a 19 1st?

Postby playa_hata » Sun Jul 15, 2018 3:05 pm

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Re: allen hurns worth a 19 1st?

Postby ninotoreS » Sun Jul 15, 2018 5:01 pm

knotts4372 wrote: Sun Jul 15, 2018 12:59 pm would legit tak5e maclin and maybe even decker off the street and say they are better than hurns day 1
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Re: allen hurns worth a 19 1st?

Postby Studstables » Sun Jul 15, 2018 5:42 pm

Pac_Eddy wrote: Sun Jul 15, 2018 11:20 am
Studstables wrote: Sun Jul 15, 2018 10:31 am
Pac_Eddy wrote: Sun Jul 15, 2018 8:45 am Dallas will be adding a legit #1 next off-season, so I see Hurns as a very short term play right now.

If I have the depth, I'd move Hurns for a second. Yeah, he may flash some nice games this year, but I really doubt he'll be higher in value a year from now.
They could have added a legit #1 this season. If hurns capitalizes on his opportunities, they’ll have no reason to.
Who are you thinking of that they could've added?
They obviously didn’t wanna pay full freight for Watkins or Robinson, but they had their pick of all the second wave free agents as well as every rookie wr at pick 19.

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Re: allen hurns worth a 19 1st?

Postby thebeast » Sun Jul 15, 2018 6:58 pm

skip wrote: Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:58 am
knotts4372 wrote: Sun Jul 15, 2018 2:49 am
skip wrote: Sun Jul 15, 2018 1:11 am Do not sell him for a 2nd. He will be at least as productive as Dez was last season.
at least what dez did last year? i'd be very surprised if he came anywhere close to it. not sure what makes you think he might. interested in hearing the case for it tho

I don't think it's necessary to rehash the "Dak or Dez" debate. I fall on the same side of that discussion as does the front office and coaching staff. Couple that with Witten being gone, there are a lot of available targets and very little veteran experience other than Hurns.
So you expect hurns to have at least 850 yards with like 70 receptions as his floor?

To the OP, I would sell for a 2nd ASAP of it were offered to me.

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Re: allen hurns worth a 19 1st?

Postby jordanzs » Mon Jul 16, 2018 6:16 pm

I didn’t read all of the comments, so not sure if this has been said:

I would hold him for now and look to sell towards the end of the preseason, if I was looking to sell.

I would try to find weaker teams at that time and offer Hurns/2019 2nd for 2019 1st.

Maybe it can be done at that time


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