Cooks/Woods/Kupp stat predictions

[ColdZealDonkeyStrike]

freak makes good points but I feel is a bit misguided when saying cooks is better than djax that dude was as explosive as anyone in the league for portions of his career and without hall of fame qbs tossing him the rock . Cooks best comp for me was always djax or hilton and he is just that a premium home run hitter /field stretcher and I think becomes more apparent not less with a lesser qb targeting him.
Djax has had 5 seasons with a > YPC and a 6th season tying cooks career high YPC . DJAX avg <1 reception a game and less than 1 yard a game fewer than cooks and cooks is far more efficient with brees & brady if that efficiency suffers he could rapidly end up a 1 trick pony.


Also will add , two of the best offensive systems in the league have let him go in back to back years equaling plenty of storm clouds on the horizon . He is a sell for me , especially if he makes a highlight play in the preseason or gets a fluff piece written by a beat writer or national guy.... if I owned any shares .

I think you're both right. freak called him better all-around WR, which I'd agree with. DJax is special as a deep threat and more explosive after the catch, but I think Cooks is a lot better than DJax on things like route running and winning at the catch point. His game against Bouye and Ramsey in the playoffs last year was a great example of his intermediate route running ability, which is not something Jackson's ever been very good at. Cooks is also ~15 lbs heavier than Jackson at the same height, so I think that improves his chances of being used like a true WR1 at some point. I have trouble predicting that in the 1st year in the system though.

[Kurt G.O.A.T.]

Cooks: 60/1050/ 105 targets
Woods: 65/900/110
Kupp: 60/700/75
Gurley: 50/600/ 65
Everett+Higbee: 60/700/95
Reynolds/Cooper/Thomas/ Kelly, etc.: 25/400/45

i like this one.

although i think woods might crack 1000 yards as well.

[pvillebiker]

Cooks: 60/1050/ 105 targets
Woods: 65/900/110
Kupp: 60/700/75
Gurley: 50/600/ 65
Everett+Higbee: 60/700/95
Reynolds/Cooper/Thomas/ Kelly, etc.: 25/400/45

i like this one.

although i think woods might crack 1000 yards as well.

Yah, but why the steep drop from Kupp's rookie year, which was 62 of 94, 869, 5? I think Goff's manlove for Kupp is real and minimally translates to incremental improvement for CK and probably a bit more. Something like 72 of 110 for 1,000, 7 is what I peg him for.

[Cowboysfan33]

Everyone predicting Cooks to lead the corps in targets and receptions should go check what DeSean Jackson did in McVay's offense. That's the role Cooks will be filling. It's not a featured target role, same as it wasn't for Sammy. About 100 targets is the logical projection for Cooks based on history, unless Goff throws less than 500 times again this year, in which case something around 80 targets is more likely.

Either Woods or Kupp will lead the WR corps in receptions this year.

It's possible none of them will crack 1k receiving yards if Goff's pass-attempts don't increase significantly and Gurley gets another 80-90 targets.

Cooks is a better all round player that DJax. I understand the history but don't buy the narrative that coaches have rigid roles that said player fills. Offenses and coaches adapt, and the good ones construct plays to suit the players they have, not just carrying a set system from team to team. I'd be shocked if Cooks didn't receive 100 targets, he can do more than just run deep routes. Watkins is apples and oranges IMO. He came to the team in mid August, had no time in the system or with the QB before the season started. It's possible you are correct, but Cooks is a much more well rounded player at this point than D Jax or Watkins was, and if McVay is as good as everyone says he is, he'll find ways to get Cooks more than 80 targets a year for the best WR on his team, who they traded a first round pick for.

This is exactly how I feel too. I just think Cooks is a better WR than DJax, he seemed like more of a “one trick” pony, so to speak, than Cooks is and I expect Gurley’s receiving numbers to dip a little due to the Rams acquisition of Cooks. I feel strongly that McVay and company will find ways to target him. If there was one thing that I was worried about, it would be possible bad game scripts, due to the Rams potentially having leads in most games but McVay doesn’t seem like a coach that will let off the gas, or at least he didn’t seem to last season.

[jcc6fd]

I can’t wait to pull this thread up after Cooks has another fantastic season.

[ColdZealDonkeyStrike]

Cooks: 60/1050/ 105 targets
Woods: 65/900/110
Kupp: 60/700/75
Gurley: 50/600/ 65
Everett+Higbee: 60/700/95
Reynolds/Cooper/Thomas/ Kelly, etc.: 25/400/45

i like this one.

although i think woods might crack 1000 yards as well.

Yah, but why the steep drop from Kupp's rookie year, which was 62 of 94, 869, 5? I think Goff's manlove for Kupp is real and minimally translates to incremental improvement for CK and probably a bit more. Something like 72 of 110 for 1,000, 7 is what I peg him for.

I wouldn't call it a steep drop, but his numbers dropped because I think Cooks > Watkins for this offense, I was predicting everyone staying healthy so no bump from Woods missing a month like last year, and I think the TEs are likely to be more involved as Everett improves.

I also think as a 24-year-old slot specialist, Kupp was pretty close to a finished product coming in, so I don't think the speed of the game or personal development held him back last year. As a result, I'm not predicting the typical increase in involvement you would see from a guy year 1 to year 2.

[FantasyFreak]

i like this one.

although i think woods might crack 1000 yards as well.

Yah, but why the steep drop from Kupp's rookie year, which was 62 of 94, 869, 5? I think Goff's manlove for Kupp is real and minimally translates to incremental improvement for CK and probably a bit more. Something like 72 of 110 for 1,000, 7 is what I peg him for.

I wouldn't call it a steep drop, but his numbers dropped because I think Cooks > Watkins for this offense, I was predicting everyone staying healthy so no bump from Woods missing a month like last year, and I think the TEs are likely to be more involved as Everett improves.

I also think as a 24-year-old slot specialist, Kupp was pretty close to a finished product coming in, so I don't think the speed of the game or personal development held him back last year. As a result, I'm not predicting the typical increase in involvement you would see from a guy year 1 to year 2.

It's a pretty ridiculous efficiency, though. 80 percent completion percentage on 75 targets? I'm sure before that target number was hit the team would have figured out to target Kupp more at that point, so more targets would be justified at that point, no?

[ColdZealDonkeyStrike]

It's a pretty ridiculous efficiency, though. 80 percent completion percentage on 75 targets? I'm sure before that target number was hit the team would have figured out to target Kupp more at that point, so more targets would be justified at that point, no?

Yeah, I think I started more conservatively with Kupp, then forgot to adjust his targets after adjusting his yards and catches. I wondered why I had so many leftover targets for "miscellaneous" lol.

[BigBawseRoss]

I can’t wait to pull this thread up after Cooks has another fantastic season.

might have to pull it up in 2 seasons then

[dm1129]

I do not think this past season with Watkins provides any useful guideline for Cooks with the Rams going forward. Cooks was the guy McVay wanted all along. He was trying to get him last year when the Patriots acquired him. Cooks had 1082 yards receiving last year on 114 targets and I can say without hesitation that Cooks would have had another 150-200 yards on those targets were it not for the failing arm of Brady. Goff had 278 attempts in the final 7 reg season games and WC game which would be a pace for nearly 560 attempts in a year. Many owners seem to forget it was the first year for this team in a new offense and it improved as the year progressed. McVay is outstanding at adjusting to his players. I see absolutely no reason for Goff to have less than 550 attempts this season and McVay will get Cooks around 115-120 targets resulting in 1200yds and 9tds.

[smallxl]

Everyone predicting Cooks to lead the corps in targets and receptions should go check what DeSean Jackson did in McVay's offense. That's the role Cooks will be filling. It's not a featured target role, same as it wasn't for Sammy. About 100 targets is the logical projection for Cooks based on history, unless Goff throws less than 500 times again this year, in which case something around 80 targets is more likely.

Either Woods or Kupp will lead the WR corps in receptions this year.

It's possible none of them will crack 1k receiving yards if Goff's pass-attempts don't increase significantly and Gurley gets another 80-90 targets.

Cooks is a better all round player that DJax. I understand the history but don't buy the narrative that coaches have rigid roles that said player fills. Offenses and coaches adapt, and the good ones construct plays to suit the players they have, not just carrying a set system from team to team. I'd be shocked if Cooks didn't receive 100 targets, he can do more than just run deep routes. Watkins is apples and oranges IMO. He came to the team in mid August, had no time in the system or with the QB before the season started. It's possible you are correct, but Cooks is a much more well rounded player at this point than D Jax or Watkins was, and if McVay is as good as everyone says he is, he'll find ways to get Cooks more than 80 targets a year for the best WR on his team, who they traded a first round pick for.

Simply put to compare Cooks to D-Jax is insulting. Cooks is the best WR on this team and Barring injury is the player to own here. I wish I could get Cooks from the owner who believes he is going to catch 45 passes this year!

[maxhyde]

I do not think this past season with Watkins provides any useful guideline for Cooks with the Rams going forward. Cooks was the guy McVay wanted all along. He was trying to get him last year when the Patriots acquired him. Cooks had 1082 yards receiving last year on 114 targets and I can say without hesitation that Cooks would have had another 150-200 yards on those targets were it not for the failing arm of Brady. Goff had 278 attempts in the final 7 reg season games and WC game which would be a pace for nearly 560 attempts in a year. Many owners seem to forget it was the first year for this team in a new offense and it improved as the year progressed. McVay is outstanding at adjusting to his players. I see absolutely no reason for Goff to have less than 550 attempts this season and McVay will get Cooks around 115-120 targets resulting in 1200yds and 9tds.

I agree the Rams are going to pass more than last year. Gurley will have some stacked boxes and there will be some easy 1st down passes to complete and maybe even the odd deep shot. I don't even think Gurley's numbers will suffer very much and expect Goffs numbers to get better. More yards and TD's but maybe a few more INT's as he gets more aggressive in the system
I would not expect any regression in year 2 of McVay's offense and rather think the players may even perform better with most returning and Cooks being acquired early in the process.

[Orenthal Shames]

i like this one.

although i think woods might crack 1000 yards as well.

Yah, but why the steep drop from Kupp's rookie year, which was 62 of 94, 869, 5? I think Goff's manlove for Kupp is real and minimally translates to incremental improvement for CK and probably a bit more. Something like 72 of 110 for 1,000, 7 is what I peg him for.

I wouldn't call it a steep drop, but his numbers dropped because I think Cooks > Watkins for this offense, I was predicting everyone staying healthy so no bump from Woods missing a month like last year, and I think the TEs are likely to be more involved as Everett improves.

I also think as a 24-year-old slot specialist, Kupp was pretty close to a finished product coming in, so I don't think the speed of the game or personal development held him back last year. As a result, I'm not predicting the typical increase in involvement you would see from a guy year 1 to year 2.

This is exactly where I fall on Kupp, very Sterling Sheppard like in that regard.

I'd pretty confidently peg Cooks at 65/1025/7 (ceiling/floor: +/- 15 catches, 175 yards and a TD)

[playa_hata]

cooks 85 1050 and 4
Kupp 80 950 and 8
Woods 75 800 and 3

[FantasyFreak]

cooks 85 1050 and 4
Kupp 80 950 and 8
Woods 75 800 and 3

If Cooks has 85 catches, and Kupp 80, you should probably flip the TD totals. Cooks is way too explosive to have those TD totals on this receptions. He's a a game breaker, I can't imagine that would happen. Curious to why you thin he'd have less yards, less TD's, BUT 20 more receptions than last year? More underneath stuff?