Allen Hurns reportedly Cowboys "clear-cut No.1 WR". Where does this put him in the Dynasty rankings

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Allen Hurns reportedly Cowboys "clear-cut No.1 WR". Where does this put him in the Dynasty rankings

Postby picklerick » Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:23 am

https://twitter.com/Marcus_Mosher/statu ... 0106384385

He's currently quite low at 148 (https://dynastyleaguefootball.com/ranki ... y-rankings), around Moncrief/JMatthews/Desean Jackson range.

How high do you think this report will boost him?
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Re: Allen Hurns reportedly Cowboys "clear-cut No.1 WR". Where does this put him in the Dynasty rankings

Postby Dr.Graffin » Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:28 am

I'm not sure the report itself will have any effect. People may get a bit more real about Hurns and what he'll do this season the closer we get to the regular season. But now is the time to buy, not sell Hurns.

In theory, it shouldn't affect his dynasty value, and his prospects this year look much better than next, but I don't think 900 and 7-8 tds is out of the question this year as long as he stays healthy. He'll be a good mid season dump as he should fairly easily bring WR 2/3 value imo.
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Re: Allen Hurns reportedly Cowboys "clear-cut No.1 WR". Where does this put him in the Dynasty rankings

Postby Phaded » Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:30 am

I have had him stashed for a while in anticipation of greener pastures and when Dallas signed him this was inévitable.

That said - hard to see him as anything higher than a WR3/FLEX guy. Not sure how he will do against top corners though. I like him better as a #2.

That said - I would be selling for an early to mid 2nd or higher.

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Re: Allen Hurns reportedly Cowboys "clear-cut No.1 WR". Where does this put him in the Dynasty rankings

Postby thebeast » Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:38 am

Dr.Graffin wrote: Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:28 am I'm not sure the report itself will have any effect. People may get a bit more real about Hurns and what he'll do this season the closer we get to the regular season. But now is the time to buy, not sell Hurns.

In theory, it shouldn't affect his dynasty value, and his prospects this year look much better than next, but I don't think 900 and 7-8 tds is out of the question this year as long as he stays healthy. He'll be a good mid season dump as he should fairly easily bring WR 2/3 value imo.
I see the opposite. This is a great time to sell on hype.

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Re: Allen Hurns reportedly Cowboys "clear-cut No.1 WR". Where does this put him in the Dynasty rankings

Postby Dr.Graffin » Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:00 am

thebeast wrote: Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:38 am
Dr.Graffin wrote: Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:28 am I'm not sure the report itself will have any effect. People may get a bit more real about Hurns and what he'll do this season the closer we get to the regular season. But now is the time to buy, not sell Hurns.

In theory, it shouldn't affect his dynasty value, and his prospects this year look much better than next, but I don't think 900 and 7-8 tds is out of the question this year as long as he stays healthy. He'll be a good mid season dump as he should fairly easily bring WR 2/3 value imo.
I see the opposite. This is a great time to sell on hype.
Obviously it's going to be league dependent, but in the places I own him, I've received zero interest. I've tried moving him to the Gallup owner, no interest. I suggested buying vs. selling Hurns because I can't imagine people offering a legit deal for him at this time. If someone offered a future second, I think that'd be a good selling price, but I'm not sure that happens atm. He's probably more of an additional piece thrown into larger trades to sweeten the deal vs. a straight up guy to trade for.
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Re: Allen Hurns reportedly Cowboys "clear-cut No.1 WR". Where does this put him in the Dynasty rankings

Postby Ice » Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:32 am

Way too soon to tell which WR position he secures. I expect him to be a significant contributor until Gallup develops into the #1. The reality is that Dak will be throwing to the open WR. He reads defenses much better than most realize which is why he became a starter out of the gate.

The Cowboys will employ a very diversified passing attack to go along with a stout running game. In reality there is no clear cut #1 and won't be unless he or another WR can beat press coverage. My bet is ultimately it will be Gallup. Gallup has the skill set to destroy press coverage and his back shoulder catch ability is rare for a player coming into the league.

Hurns is a very good player when healthy. He is also similar to Dez in a lot of ways. He really needs to stay healthy to get back to 2015 form when he had over 1000 yards and 10 TD's.
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Re: Allen Hurns reportedly Cowboys "clear-cut No.1 WR". Where does this put him in the Dynasty rankings

Postby thebeast » Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:35 am

Dr.Graffin wrote: Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:00 am
thebeast wrote: Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:38 am
Dr.Graffin wrote: Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:28 am I'm not sure the report itself will have any effect. People may get a bit more real about Hurns and what he'll do this season the closer we get to the regular season. But now is the time to buy, not sell Hurns.

In theory, it shouldn't affect his dynasty value, and his prospects this year look much better than next, but I don't think 900 and 7-8 tds is out of the question this year as long as he stays healthy. He'll be a good mid season dump as he should fairly easily bring WR 2/3 value imo.
I see the opposite. This is a great time to sell on hype.
Obviously it's going to be league dependent, but in the places I own him, I've received zero interest. I've tried moving him to the Gallup owner, no interest. I suggested buying vs. selling Hurns because I can't imagine people offering a legit deal for him at this time. If someone offered a future second, I think that'd be a good selling price, but I'm not sure that happens atm. He's probably more of an additional piece thrown into larger trades to sweeten the deal vs. a straight up guy to trade for.
All good points. I would probably update your trade bait with like 5 guys including Hurns if you're looking for offers. Most guys who have interest after the rotoworld post will not want to be obvious so you need to find a way to invite people in to sell on hype.

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Postby jordanzs » Wed Jun 20, 2018 2:12 pm

Much higher than Moncrief, JMatthews, and DJax....that much for sure. I would gladly trade my 1 share of Moncrief for him. I don't own the other 2 but if I did, I would make that trade as well....

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Re: Allen Hurns reportedly Cowboys "clear-cut No.1 WR". Where does this put him in the Dynasty rankings

Postby skip » Wed Jun 20, 2018 2:56 pm

I suspect his value will remain flat until we see him play this fall. There's an overriding belief that Dak is the problem in Dallas, Dez would be fine with a better QB etc. When Hurns produces just as well or better for a substantially lower cost, there will be increased interest. Best to hold at his current value.
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Re: Allen Hurns reportedly Cowboys "clear-cut No.1 WR". Where does this put him in the Dynasty rankings

Postby Ice » Wed Jun 20, 2018 3:11 pm

skip wrote: Wed Jun 20, 2018 2:56 pm I suspect his value will remain flat until we see him play this fall. There's an overriding belief that Dak is the problem in Dallas, Dez would be fine with a better QB etc. When Hurns produces just as well or better for a substantially lower cost, there will be increased interest. Best to hold at his current value.
Where in the world did you get this information from? FAKE NEWS!

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Re: Allen Hurns reportedly Cowboys "clear-cut No.1 WR". Where does this put him in the Dynasty rankings

Postby Shoreline Steamers » Wed Jun 20, 2018 3:25 pm

Ice wrote: Wed Jun 20, 2018 3:11 pm
skip wrote: Wed Jun 20, 2018 2:56 pm I suspect his value will remain flat until we see him play this fall. There's an overriding belief that Dak is the problem in Dallas, Dez would be fine with a better QB etc. When Hurns produces just as well or better for a substantially lower cost, there will be increased interest. Best to hold at his current value.
Where in the world did you get this information from? FAKE NEWS!

Dak Prescott stats
Career stats 65.2 completion % 6,991 Passing yards 45 TD's 17 Int. 95.5 passer rating

Total QBR
2016 77.6 RANKED 3rd In NFL
2017 66.7 RANKED 4th in NFL

Dez Bryant was 2nd in the league last season in drops at 9. The Cowboys as a team had 28 drops.
He's not saying that Dak IS the problem, but that a general perception (read: belief) is that Dallas' offensive struggles are Dak's fault. That doesn't mean it's true, it just means that it's a narrative many are parroting these days. Whether or not the stats back it up.
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Re: Allen Hurns reportedly Cowboys "clear-cut No.1 WR". Where does this put him in the Dynasty rankings

Postby skip » Wed Jun 20, 2018 3:56 pm

Shoreline Steamers wrote: Wed Jun 20, 2018 3:25 pm
Ice wrote: Wed Jun 20, 2018 3:11 pm
skip wrote: Wed Jun 20, 2018 2:56 pm I suspect his value will remain flat until we see him play this fall. There's an overriding belief that Dak is the problem in Dallas, Dez would be fine with a better QB etc. When Hurns produces just as well or better for a substantially lower cost, there will be increased interest. Best to hold at his current value.
Where in the world did you get this information from? FAKE NEWS!

Dak Prescott stats
Career stats 65.2 completion % 6,991 Passing yards 45 TD's 17 Int. 95.5 passer rating

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2016 77.6 RANKED 3rd In NFL
2017 66.7 RANKED 4th in NFL

Dez Bryant was 2nd in the league last season in drops at 9. The Cowboys as a team had 28 drops.
He's not saying that Dak IS the problem, but that a general perception (read: belief) is that Dallas' offensive struggles are Dak's fault. That doesn't mean it's true, it just means that it's a narrative many are parroting these days. Whether or not the stats back it up.
Exactly. I don't believe such nonsense. Just go read all of the threads talking about Dez and you'll find a number of members on this forum who believe that all of the problems in Dallas are with Dak.
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Re: Allen Hurns reportedly Cowboys "clear-cut No.1 WR". Where does this put him in the Dynasty rankings

Postby Phaded » Wed Jun 20, 2018 4:01 pm

Yeah this community does not like Dak.

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Postby ninotoreS » Wed Jun 20, 2018 4:03 pm

Hurns should definitely be higher than those guys, but not drastically higher. I like Hurns fine, but people seem to be taking it on faith that Dak would be a prolific passer if only he had the right receivers. Me, I'm not so sure. I like Dak too, but big passing stats just may not be a thing with him.
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Re: Allen Hurns reportedly Cowboys "clear-cut No.1 WR". Where does this put him in the Dynasty rankings

Postby Ice » Wed Jun 20, 2018 4:17 pm

skip wrote: Wed Jun 20, 2018 3:56 pm
Shoreline Steamers wrote: Wed Jun 20, 2018 3:25 pm
Ice wrote: Wed Jun 20, 2018 3:11 pm

Where in the world did you get this information from? FAKE NEWS!

Dak Prescott stats
Career stats 65.2 completion % 6,991 Passing yards 45 TD's 17 Int. 95.5 passer rating

Total QBR
2016 77.6 RANKED 3rd In NFL
2017 66.7 RANKED 4th in NFL

Dez Bryant was 2nd in the league last season in drops at 9. The Cowboys as a team had 28 drops.
He's not saying that Dak IS the problem, but that a general perception (read: belief) is that Dallas' offensive struggles are Dak's fault. That doesn't mean it's true, it just means that it's a narrative many are parroting these days. Whether or not the stats back it up.
Exactly. I don't believe such nonsense. Just go read all of the threads talking about Dez and you'll find a number of members on this forum who believe that all of the problems in Dallas are with Dak.
I see, I am new to this site so do not know the history. No doubt a lot of opinions abound and Dallas is a polarizing team.

Thanks for the clarification.
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